wyoming cowboy wrote:repulsewarrior wrote:wyoming cowboy wrote:repulsewarrior wrote:...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.
...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.
...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.
RW im surprised at you man, you want everyone to read your manifesto, but when it comes to listening and trying to understand the Turk cyp and the pain he went through you fail. The Turk cyps feel the same pain and suffering as the Greek cyp does, maybe more. If you lived through those years on Cyprus you would have seen the fear in these peoples faces while driving through certain Tc villages, i saw it. I was also made to think to be afraid of them. I admire Tony for his courage and his attempt to find some kind of catharsis from being a kid who had to witness war. He also understands that without the other side going through a catharsis and release of the wounds inflicted on their soul, he can never have his peace. This is a selfish thing he is doing, i dont know if he understands it, but his path across the green line is to find himself as he was without any suffering.
And RW as a human rights advocate shouldnt you awknowledge the Tc pain also, like he does? I think you need to reread your manifesto.
...everyone suffered, i think there was not one family untouched by the ignorance that the few foisted on the rest of us; but times have changed, niggers don't hang from trees anymore, there are still "Greeks" and "Turks" though. i don't talk about my pain, i don't want pity, i want Freedom, i want Justice to prevail, i am for Cyprus and its people, and i don't make distinctions that would keep them apart. if that makes me insensitive to anothers intolerance then so be it. frankly, from those days i remember the respect we had as neighbours in my village.
...and what is so surprising about my post? i was glad when Turkey pleaded with Britain as a Guarantor to join her, if only the "Turks" had come to defend the Rights of all Mankind. what is wrong with making it clear: Cypriots, Greek and Turkish did not support these (tragic for them) events.
RW..the basis of your manifesto is for GC and Tc to forget their ethnicities and become one nation as Cypriots.....How can they do that when both sides have been programmed to hate each other. Dont you have to let them tell their stories and release their pain before you have a united Cyprus? Compare that to the blacks minority in the usa. When Roots the tv series came out people (black and white) were drawn to it because it showed how the blacks were treated, from being captured in west africa to being put on a slave ship brought to america and being sold as slaves. When it came out blacks in certain parts of the usa were still being segregated, 30 years later we have a black president. How can you unify cyprus if you wont accept or allow the other side to tell their story?
wyoming, understand this, the debate which is the silent undercurrent has to do with elements in our respective societies who wish to resist the changes which the future brings us regardless. It is not a matter as simple as Greeks vs. Turks; it is "Greeks" "Turks" Greeks, Turks, and the Rights of all Human Beings as equal. Cyprus will not remain the backwater it was about 200 years ago, Cyprus will likely change its demographics significantly over the medium and long term (two hundred years). my manifesto if anything gives our distinctions as ethnicities a chance to be sustained in this environment, and to adapt so that these founding Communities can still thrive, albeit without "motherlands" independantly, and quite differently. by identifying, as Individuals, a State underwhich we stand united to support our Universal Principals as Humans, our choice, by where we live, we'll vote as well within a National Assembly; this is BBF.
pain covered in denial means very little to me, except another opportunity to expose another way of thinking; i have said it before, not one family on this island remains without pain unaffected by the terror of these proxy wars. i do not choose to generalise, 'nasty Turks', 'nasty Greeks', i try with my acts to effect change against such lazy thinking. i choose to express what is dismissed, the Universal Principals to be defended against those who would corrupt them by one form of senselessness or another, our sense that we are Humans first, and while we are also Persons, we can demonstrate this will as Majorities for this greater whole by providing for the special needs of the Minorities amongst us.
...the backway for Turkey, as you say, is to hope that Cyprus can define Bicommunal and Bizonal perfectly so that she has something to emulate.
How deceiving the curly locks...
