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[B25]

Angastiniotis sold his soul to the devil (turks), he was paid to make that documentary, as a GC against GCs. May he go and rot in hell with his buddy Denktash.

[kimon07]

What kind of a man shoots a 16 day old baby? What kind of a country employs that man as a religious teacher for 37 years?

A sick man, a criminal a retarded thug. But the question is not about isolated crimes committed by individual Greek Cypriots AND Turkish Cypriots but about planned, organized mass "slaughter" of which you accuse us. CAN YOU PROVE IT?
And again. How many victims did the TC side suffer between 1967 and July 1974 (prior to the invasion)? And how many "murders" of "innocent" TC civilians can you list during that period? Huh?

[repulsewarrior]

...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.

...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.

RW im surprised at you man, you want everyone to read your manifesto, but when it comes to listening and trying to understand the Turk cyp and the pain he went through you fail. The Turk cyps feel the same pain and suffering as the Greek cyp does, maybe more. If you lived through those years on Cyprus you would have seen the fear in these peoples faces while driving through certain Tc villages, i saw it. I was also made to think to be afraid of them. I admire Tony for his courage and his attempt to find some kind of catharsis from being a kid who had to witness war. He also understands that without the other side going through a catharsis and release of the wounds inflicted on their soul, he can never have his peace. This is a selfish thing he is doing, i dont know if he understands it, but his path across the green line is to find himself as he was without any suffering.
And RW as a human rights advocate shouldnt you awknowledge the Tc pain also, like he does? I think you need to reread your manifesto.

...everyone suffered, i think there was not one family untouched by the ignorance that the few foisted on the rest of us; but times have changed, niggers don't hang from trees anymore, there are still "Greeks" and "Turks" though. i don't talk about my pain, i don't want pity, i want Freedom, i want Justice to prevail, i am for Cyprus and its people, and i don't make distinctions that would keep them apart. if that makes me insensitive to anothers intolerance then so be it. frankly, from those days i remember the respect we had as neighbours in my village.

...and what is so surprising about my post? i was glad when Turkey pleaded with Britain as a Guarantor to join her, if only the "Turks" had come to defend the Rights of all Mankind. what is wrong with making it clear: Cypriots, Greek and Turkish did not support these (tragic for them) events.

[wyoming cowboy]

...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.

...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.

RW im surprised at you man, you want everyone to read your manifesto, but when it comes to listening and trying to understand the Turk cyp and the pain he went through you fail. The Turk cyps feel the same pain and suffering as the Greek cyp does, maybe more. If you lived through those years on Cyprus you would have seen the fear in these peoples faces while driving through certain Tc villages, i saw it. I was also made to think to be afraid of them. I admire Tony for his courage and his attempt to find some kind of catharsis from being a kid who had to witness war. He also understands that without the other side going through a catharsis and release of the wounds inflicted on their soul, he can never have his peace. This is a selfish thing he is doing, i dont know if he understands it, but his path across the green line is to find himself as he was without any suffering.
And RW as a human rights advocate shouldnt you awknowledge the Tc pain also, like he does? I think you need to reread your manifesto.

...everyone suffered, i think there was not one family untouched by the ignorance that the few foisted on the rest of us; but times have changed, niggers don't hang from trees anymore, there are still "Greeks" and "Turks" though. i don't talk about my pain, i don't want pity, i want Freedom, i want Justice to prevail, i am for Cyprus and its people, and i don't make distinctions that would keep them apart. if that makes me insensitive to anothers intolerance then so be it. frankly, from those days i remember the respect we had as neighbours in my village.

...and what is so surprising about my post? i was glad when Turkey pleaded with Britain as a Guarantor to join her, if only the "Turks" had come to defend the Rights of all Mankind. what is wrong with making it clear: Cypriots, Greek and Turkish did not support these (tragic for them) events.

RW..the basis of your manifesto is for GC and Tc to forget their ethnicities and become one nation as Cypriots.....How can they do that when both sides have been programmed to hate each other. Dont you have to let them tell their stories and release their pain before you have a united Cyprus? Compare that to the blacks minority in the usa. When Roots the tv series came out people (black and white) were drawn to it because it showed how the blacks were treated, from being captured in west africa to being put on a slave ship brought to america and being sold as slaves. When it came out blacks in certain parts of the usa were still being segregated, 30 years later we have a black president. How can you unify cyprus if you wont accept or allow the other side to tell their story?

[Pyrpolizer]

...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.

...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.

RW im surprised at you man, you want everyone to read your manifesto, but when it comes to listening and trying to understand the Turk cyp and the pain he went through you fail. The Turk cyps feel the same pain and suffering as the Greek cyp does, maybe more. If you lived through those years on Cyprus you would have seen the fear in these peoples faces while driving through certain Tc villages, i saw it. I was also made to think to be afraid of them. I admire Tony for his courage and his attempt to find some kind of catharsis from being a kid who had to witness war. He also understands that without the other side going through a catharsis and release of the wounds inflicted on their soul, he can never have his peace. This is a selfish thing he is doing, i dont know if he understands it, but his path across the green line is to find himself as he was without any suffering.
And RW as a human rights advocate shouldnt you awknowledge the Tc pain also, like he does? I think you need to reread your manifesto.

Perhaps you would like to know that Tony Angastiniotis was in the forum a few years ago and he explained us everything.
In short the man told us he wanted to reveal the pain of BOTH sides. He did this first documentary that the Nationalists and extremists on the other side used as a propaganda tool. When he was about to release his 2nd documentary the Grey Wolves threatened him, so he never released it. HE IS NOT HAPPY AT ALL with this development, because his purpose is now half fulfilled.

His sorrow was very clear when he admitted he had no other choice, but to yield in order to save his job at the University of Famagusta in the occupied.... The man has passed through long years of unemployment in the free areas....

NB Make a search for author "angastiniotis" if you would like to read what he wrote in this forum

[Jiovannis]

The whole of Cyprus is NOT GREEK, it is also the homeland of TC's and Turkey did not invade, they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

Is that the best you can do by way of trolling?

Historically it is correct to say that Cyprus is Greek the same as one can say Scotland is Scottish despite the Viking conquests. The Turkish Cypriots are relative new comers to Cyprus having arrived in the last 300 years with the Ottoman conquest. Their numbers were bolstered by locals who changed religion under the Ottomans who provided powerful incentives. If you are interested in this aspect of history you could look up the Linobambaki people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linobamvaki

The Turkish Cypriots are the remnants of the Ottomans and the Linobambaki people and are not a direct decent from modern Turkey.

Of course when one say Cyprus is Greek they do not mean it belongs to Greece they simple mean that since the dawn of time the Greek Cypriot language and culture have survived on the island. Many civilisations have conquered Cyprus but its Greek language and identity has remained constant and each conquest has left its mark be it Venitian castles, The Lusigans palaces, the Phoenicians city of Salamis and so on. Again if you are interested you can see more here. http://www.heureka.clara.net/cyprus/history.htm

I understand you do not want to take sides and you want to tell it like it is but these issues are not black and white but shades of grey.

[boulio]

weak excuse

[B25]

oh, my heart bleeds for him...... yeah right.

The man shat on his own, done a runner to the occupied and works for the devil himself, then publically humiliates us and you expect sympathy. He should hang his head in shame, in fact he should just hang himself and save us all the effort.
His wages are haram money. Blood money from the blood of his compatriots for which he spits upon.

[Viewpoint]

oh, my heart bleeds for him...... yeah right.

The man shat on his own, done a runner to the occupied and works for the devil himself, then publically humiliates us and you expect sympathy. He should hang his head in shame, in fact he should just hang himself and save us all the effort.
His wages are haram money. Blood money from the blood of his compatriots for which he spits upon.

Having problems dealing with your own sins B25? accept them and you will feel much better.

[bill cobbett]

Good deal of condemnation from the Opposition in the Occupied Areas against The Clown's comments but the Spokesperson for the Illegal Settlers, Eroglu, seems to have lost his tongue on this one.