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[Lordo]

It amazing to this day we hear how safe TCs were with the same breath the claim that the coup only killed 97 GCs. At the same time we still have to this day GCs claiming that Cyprus is Greek.

Simple fact you cannot get away from is that if Turkey did not intervene there would not be a single TC left under Sampson in Cyprus.

With the Army completely in the hands of the Junta, perhaps some of you bright sparks can explain to me how it is that the GCs were going to remove the Sampson cove from power. But be careful now don't cross your wires. That would be bad. very bad.



Why on earth would a civilized member of the European union ban such a factual documentary. When you arrive at the answer to the above question you will than realise how civilised RoC was and how much danger the TCs were in 1974. But of course if you wish to live in denial, it is your right. Enjoy it.

It will be interesting to see how many have seen this documentary?

[Get Real!]

Simple fact you cannot get away from is that if Turkey did not intervene there would not be a single TC left under Sampson in Cyprus.

Facts cannot be borne out of assumptions.

[kimon07]

"......Turkey did not invade, they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's.

You can deny the truth forever and you probably will, that is all I will say.

Since YOU are so fond of the truth, I ask you again: How many Turkish Cypriots were "slaughtered" by Greek Cypriots or killed in battles in the seven years from April 1967 till the day of the invasion?? NONE maybe? When you accuse, YOU have to produce evidence. Can you do that? I challenge you and all those who support the same claim to come forward with facts and evidences. I bet you that the only murders of Turkish Cypriots recorded during that period are those committed by TMT. Prove me wrong.

[Lordo]

Perhaps you can explain to us what was in the Aphrodite one and Aphrodite two plans.

What kind of a man shoots a 16 day old baby? What kind of a country employs that man as a religious teacher for 37 years?

[Get Real!]

Perhaps you can explain to us what was in the Aphrodite one and Aphrodite two plans.

They were space missions that competed with the American Apollo 1 and 2.

[Get Real!]

What kind of a man shoots a 16 day old baby? What kind of a country employs that man as a religious teacher for 37 years?

Well we warned you about Denktash but you wouldn't listen!

[repulsewarrior]

...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.

...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.

[Piratis]

The truth is that the Turks have murdered many 10s of thousands of Cypriots while they also oppressed and treated the native Cypriot population like shit for centuries. The native Cypriot people (Greek Cypriots) never left their island to attack anybody. The only thing we have ever done is to defend ourselves from the armies and the settlers of those who invaded us.

This is how it all started:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

What followed was 300+ years of oppression by the Turks against the native Cypriots. The foreign invaders would butcher the Cypriot population every time we demanded our freedom. One example:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

(above two quotes are from the Country Studies of the USA Library of Congress)

The ONLY thing that the native Cypriot people ever asked was for their freedom from the foreign invaders. Nothing more. The Muslim minority in Cyprus could continue to live in Cyprus like the other Muslim minorities that were created by the Ottomans on the European territories they occupied. The same way that they have such minorities in mainland Greece, other Greek islands, Bulgaria etc, we would continue to have a Muslim minority in Cyprus and we would live in peace with them as we live with all other minorities (Armenians, Latins, Maronites) who we never bothered.

Unfortunately the Turks yet again they refused to accept that the Cypriot people could be free to deicide the destiny of their own island by democratic means, and once again they resorted to violence. The inter-communal conflict was initiated by the Turkish minority in June of 1958 after being directed to do so by Turkey. They did this by massacring GCs and by burning the homes and shops of innocent people.





The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the GCs on the 12th of June 1958.

This Report is of a Commission of Inquiry conducted by the Chief Justice into an incident on 12th June, when eight Greek Cypriots met their deaths at the hands of Turkish Cypriots

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

In the event, it was Turkey that took the first practical steps. In June 1958, repeating the operation in Salonica, its intelligence agents set off an explosion in the Turkish Information Office in Nicosia. Once again, a fabricated outrage – no one was actually hurt – was the signal for orchestrated mob violence against Greeks. Security forces stood by as houses were set on fire and people killed, in the first major communal clashes since the Emergency was declared. The upshot, clearly planned in advance, was the eviction of Greeks from Turkish areas in Nicosia and other cities, and the seizure of municipal facilities, to create self-contained Turkish enclaves: piecemeal partition, on the ground. Its organisers could be sure of British complaisance. The day before the rampage – Harding was now out of it – the new governor, Labour’s future Lord Caradon, had assured its leaders that the Turkish community would enjoy ‘a specially favoured and specially protected state’ under future British arrangements. A few months later, the colonial secretary was publicly referring to Cyprus as ‘an offshore Turkish island’.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/perry-ande ... -of-cyprus


The murders of innocents and the destruction of GC properties were organized in Turkey who incited the Turkish minority in Cyprus with broadcasts calling them to murder GCs and start a civil war.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

Soon after initiating the conflict the Turkish minority started to pretend to be the victim, with their leader lying and claiming that 1000s of TCs have been supposedly killed during the clashes.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223

In the inter-communal conflict which the Turks started, some 100s of people from BOTH sides were killed.

The conflict was basically over by 1968. In 1974 when the coup happened NO Turkish Cypriot was killed until the day that Turks invaded. During the Turkish invasion GCs had several 1000s of casualties, while TCs only a couple of 100s.

So in conclusion, the Turks are the ones who invaded Cyprus (multiple times) it is not the Cypriots who invaded the Turks. The Turks are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts with an aim to oppress the Cypriot people. The Cypriots simply fought in the wars and conflicts initiated by the Turks (we had no choice) and all we ever fought for was our RIGHT to democratically take decisions for our own island, instead of having some foreign invader impose their terms on us.

The Turks have butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots during the Ottoman rule, they killed 100s of Cypriots during the inter-communal conflict which they again initiated, and the murdered 1000s during their criminal invasion. On the other hand the TCs had some 100s of casualties during the inter-communal conflict (which they initiated) and a couple more 100s during the invasion (which Turkey started).

The Turks have oppressed the Cypriot people from the very first day they set their foot on our island until today. We are forgiving people and we would be willing to leave the past behind and become friends with the Turks. The Latins stopped trying to impose their rule on us by force, and today we live in peace with the Latin minority of Cyprus without any problems despite of what happened in the past. The same can happen with the Turkish minority if they show respect to democracy and human rights. Unfortunately they don't seem willing to do so, they want to continue to violate our human and democratic rights in the same way as they have done for centuries, and that is why in Cyprus we still have a Turkish Problem.

[Piratis]

It amazing to this day we hear how safe TCs were with the same breath the claim that the coup only killed 97 GCs. At the same time we still have to this day GCs claiming that Cyprus is Greek.

Simple fact you cannot get away from is that if Turkey did not intervene there would not be a single TC left under Sampson in Cyprus.

With the Army completely in the hands of the Junta, perhaps some of you bright sparks can explain to me how it is that the GCs were going to remove the Sampson cove from power. But be careful now don't cross your wires. That would be bad. very bad.



Why on earth would a civilized member of the European union ban such a factual documentary. When you arrive at the answer to the above question you will than realise how civilised RoC was and how much danger the TCs were in 1974. But of course if you wish to live in denial, it is your right. Enjoy it.

It will be interesting to see how many have seen this documentary?

What your documentary shows is that TCs had casualties in 1974 after Turkey with the help of TCs invaded Cyprus, with the aim to annihilate the whole GC population from the north part of the island and partition Cyprus as it was their plan for decades.

Where are the TC casualties in 1974 before the Turkish invasion? There aren't any. All TC casualties in 1974 were during the war that TCs and Turkey started against us. It is unfortunate that innocent people die, and it is also unfortunate that the documentary is one sided and only cares about the 200 or so TCs that were killed during the Turkish invasion, and there is no mention about the several thousands of GCs (among them many women and children) who were killed during that same time.

The fact that TCs had some casualties during the Turkish invasion doesn't make the Turkish side the innocent one. That is akkin to say that the Germans and the Japanese were the innocent ones during WWII because they had casualties (100s of thousands were innocent civilians who were killed during the air raids and the nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki which clearly targeted civilian population).

The fact is that the aggressor was (and continues to be) Turkey and that those casualties in 1974 (both GCs and TCs) were a result of the Turkish invasion.

[wyoming cowboy]

...they came in to stop the slaughter of TC's by the GC's. You do yourself no favours with your racist rants. BTW I am not taking sides, just telling it like it is, but truthfully.

...to be perfectly truthful, say, the "Greeks" came to slaughter Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. somehow that made sense to them, although it is hard to believe that they weren't expecting the "Turks". look at the facts, did the Greek Cypriots join with the coupists; no. the coup collapsed almost immediately after it started because of this lack of support. the rest is plunder by the guarantors and the interlocutors who have made this debate an ethnic issue.

...if you fight as a Cypriot you are for Human Rights. if you fight as a "Greek" or a "Turk", you are a white man in fear that some men are not white like you.

RW im surprised at you man, you want everyone to read your manifesto, but when it comes to listening and trying to understand the Turk cyp and the pain he went through you fail. The Turk cyps feel the same pain and suffering as the Greek cyp does, maybe more. If you lived through those years on Cyprus you would have seen the fear in these peoples faces while driving through certain Tc villages, i saw it. I was also made to think to be afraid of them. I admire Tony for his courage and his attempt to find some kind of catharsis from being a kid who had to witness war. He also understands that without the other side going through a catharsis and release of the wounds inflicted on their soul, he can never have his peace. This is a selfish thing he is doing, i dont know if he understands it, but his path across the green line is to find himself as he was without any suffering.
And RW as a human rights advocate shouldnt you awknowledge the Tc pain also, like he does? I think you need to reread your manifesto.