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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:48 am

kimon07 wrote:
AWE wrote:Ok let me get this straight: 38 bodies found in a prison that houses hundreds, possibly thousands, of mainly Kurdish prisoners, in A Kurdish area, with Turkey and the PKK fighting a dirty war during the 80's and 90's and of course they are GCs, can't be any other persons! :roll:



"The 38 skeletons had been executed with 9mm bullets to the head, she pointed out and based on DNA tests, have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners."


...reason enough to find out who they are.
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby Jiovannis » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:52 pm

There seems to be a 'red herring' here about 9mm pistols. In my opinion the weapon of 'choice' would have been the Browning 9mm hi-power hand gun. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
As these remains, based on DNA tests have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners, and as we suspect that Greek Cypriot prisoners where in that area, and as we know that after the invasion Turkey housed prisoners of war in civilian jails in Turkey, and since there are over 1000 missing Greek Cypriots still, it would only be human to check the DNA profiles that Turkey has against the missing profiles held by the CMP www.cmp-cyprus.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby wyoming cowboy » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:55 am

Jiovannis wrote:There seems to be a 'red herring' here about 9mm pistols. In my opinion the weapon of 'choice' would have been the Browning 9mm hi-power hand gun. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
As these remains, based on DNA tests have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners, and as we suspect that Greek Cypriot prisoners where in that area, and as we know that after the invasion Turkey housed prisoners of war in civilian jails in Turkey, and since there are over 1000 missing Greek Cypriots still, it would only be human to check the DNA profiles that Turkey has against the missing profiles held by the CMP http://www.cmp-cyprus.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1



there is a dna data base, from the relatives of the missing, and i think its handled by a unit of the UN..........are there any updates to this story?
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:05 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Jiovannis wrote:There seems to be a 'red herring' here about 9mm pistols. In my opinion the weapon of 'choice' would have been the Browning 9mm hi-power hand gun. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
As these remains, based on DNA tests have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners, and as we suspect that Greek Cypriot prisoners where in that area, and as we know that after the invasion Turkey housed prisoners of war in civilian jails in Turkey, and since there are over 1000 missing Greek Cypriots still, it would only be human to check the DNA profiles that Turkey has against the missing profiles held by the CMP http://www.cmp-cyprus.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1



there is a dna data base, from the relatives of the missing, and i think its handled by a unit of the UN..........are there any updates to this story?


...bravo wyoming, i was thinking the same thing today.
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:49 pm

A rough Google translation of recent developments concerning the Greek/Greekcyp missing

O Milioritsas quarterback in 1991 had the rank of colonel. With the "cover" of another, confidential status, "combing" secret prisons, secret camps and military installations in Turkey, since the information had to thicken "a small number of prisoners - missing since the days of Attila, who were detained in prisons in neighboring the country. " O efficient officer, who specializes in secret activities, managed to organize a network of informants and the approach to Sergeant in the dungeons of Sintirgki was exciting.
MA more shocking was the response of full riot Turkish chief warden: "... Now there is nobody here Cypriot. There were six years before ... "!



The confidential documents which contained the above dialogue is shocking. And yet, in the coming years the case was obscured ...
The reason for the new thriller, with elements and gruesome details, was the shocking finding in the hellish Turkish Diyarbakir: Thirty-eight skeletons were found buried in the prison of this remote region of southeastern Turkey. The thirty-eight these skeletons have marks for execution by the 9 mm bullets in the head. We expect the test DNA, which will show whether it is possible that it is Turkish or Kurdish dissident prisoners, but if the skeletons belong to Greek Cypriots and Greek prisoners of war by the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974!
It is essential that the governments of Cyprus and Greece to take the initiative to determine accurately the dark and creepy case and if you are stressed in the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the European Parliament MEP active Cypriot Eleni Theocharous.
In international fora and the European Parliament caused uproar. The chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Elmar Brok, hastily asked the Permanent Representative of Turkey to the European Union to investigate the matter. Eleni Theocharous shocking finding raised the inhuman conditions of the Turkish and remembered the shocking revelations of my book Missing - Top Secret - 13 Pigeons (AA Livani, fourth edition), which for years continues to cause a stir with revelations-fire special handling classified documents to "burn".
The skeletons are buried eventually Greek and Greek Cypriot prisoners?
In his book published top secret documents of the Greek secret services and the prison of Diyarbakir: "... In 1989 in Diyarbakir saw from afar a small group of inmates aged 40 to 45 years in solitary confinement. Colleague told him that prisoners are Cypriots. To investigate the above information organized special enterprise in Turkey ... "!
Today we reveal dungeons where detained or held even now Greek and Greek Cypriot prisoners. Who moved from the Turkish guards escorting staff of MIT in inaccessible areas, the least, but always in military "zones" of the neighboring country.
For the famous prison Sintirgki documents are revealing: "A senior member of the party of Turkey, Mustafa Simsek, knew that from 1984 on a farm 100 acres near the prison-that was training center agents MIT-held captives by the period of the invasion! They were confined in a building inside the farm, where few had access ... ".
But even this information was known to the Greek side in previous years, utilized as it should ...
The conclusive evidence had been intensified in the late 80's. The information was talking about a small number of survivors - missing in small isolated prisons, military bands, and the first evidence that had fallen into the hands of the Greek authorities reported details of shock-like voices missing in Greek! And the "sources" of informants was quite difficult to challenge ... According to accurate data, a tape of voices such prisoners were to be delivered and the president of Greek nationals missing relatives, G. Lourmpa! A few days later, the energetic G. Lourmpas killed after hitting an unknown professional actor. The case remains unsolved ...
The next few years to identify areas where Turkey had transposed the last survivors of the Cyprus tragedy. A network of officers who had swept the neighboring country under the orders of the Head of A 'branch of National Intelligence, Brigadier Anaxagoras House, identified a small group of prisoners in a key commando brigade in the bowl and few even in Ntenisli southwest of Ankara!
Various plots Government New Democracy (1990-1993), the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, responsible for Cyprus, Tsouderos Virginia, held a silent and systematic project and has stated the same to the undersigned, identified a small number of missing persons, whereas it had taken specific actions to rescue and return to Greece at least one prisoner ... Indeed, the very Tsouderos Virginia had told executives of the PASOK government that succeeded the SW in power to exploit the survey data and return alive Greek and Greek Cypriot prisoners of Attila ... The book says that among the measures was the case for the return of the "youngest" of the Cyprus tragedy, the 5 year old since the invasion Loizou.
But the more typical case in which the person concerned was interested in a 30 year old Greek Cypriot, who had done postgraduate studies in Heidelberg, was captured and arrested germanotrafis the invasion. He had managed to send a text message, his relatives recognized the scenic character and why this man has made titanic efforts, the former deputy minister. Showed special interest and the then powerful chairman of the Foreign and Defence Policy of the German parliament, Dr. Hans Sterken, who issued a German passport in 30 years to be used to secure the exit. The design of the enterprise, which will be attended by Israeli commandos and, related to its transport to a hospital for alleged illness and then the release would be triggered with almost cinematic way ... Not completed the "black business" within the Turkish territory ... Up here! ...
H case of the last survivors - missing is staggering. It is a mysterious national issue, which dealt with those who had orders to keep completely secret ... Thirty eight years have passed since the Greeks and Greek Cypriots captured prisoners, who were transferred to Turkey.
What happened, however, with those who were proven in Turkish dungeons? For those who saw their mates? For those cameras showed the British «Channel 4» a few years after the invasion?
To be noted that in the coming months after the invasion, and while many were transferred to prisons in Turkey, returned to Cyprus and Greece after actions of the Red Cross and strong international political pressure. But as he admitted himself Ecevit then, a number of prisoners, who had already recognized the other-mates never returned! This, according to statements in Ecevit AssociatedPress, for four hundred and one prisoners who remained in Turkey! The information reported to them that moved constantly from prison to prison and from camp to camp. Others died from infectious diseases, others were executed, others endured the hardships ... But despite all the adversity, the Turks kept a small number of them alive, so the next years and become a bargaining chip ... But for other reasons ...
The Greek officers, a giant company release, the 13th found the prisoners and survivors took the mission codenamed "13 pigeons!" The updates were first oral evidence in order not to leak information and details in writing. Among the first who was verbally informed of the later Chief of Army Staff, Eyst. Kapravelos, the time was commander of Army. H confidential information was a special messenger, and the next time the company planned to release three of the survivors - missing. Nobody confirms the names, it seems, however, is Lt. Paul Kouroupi tempestuous commander-in-Kyrenia, a small Christakis Loizou and a Greek Cypriot named Nick, the 30-year germanotrafi of Heidelberg, for which he showed great interest in the German government ...
But despite all efforts, the company release the missing never finished ...
My book Missing - Top Secret described "dangerous book." So those who served as the featured foreign ministers from all parties (Samaras, Tsouderos, Haralambopoulos) when presented. Besides, the disturbing reports of the book, shaking a sensitive issue, led to some silly "hothead" Simitis government officials to request a withdrawal from the shelves of bookstores! ... Or those who knew the secrets of this expensive number one national case to want to obscure the details of shock cut-away ... Because these officials did not get famous investigations to avoid disrupting the Greek-Turkish relations. They both had labored for them, George Papandreou, the earthquake diplomacy. And that after the Imia those who continue to "turn gray" map sought enosis to finish anything bother Ankara ... Those who surrender after Ocalan and the famous business-shame "in Eagle territory" strongly interested to seal voices to weaken arguments to obscure the truth ...
Here, however, foreground, and corroborated by a man who hardly disputed: the American analyst Gregory Copley, a senior Defense Analysis Center of the U.S. with headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia. In the same town, which is the headquarters of the CIA, the Copley, who had spoken to Greek correspondents in Washington for the captives of Cyprus used as guinea pigs in Turkish MIT facilities at least until 1988, this, then, the "Hawk" U.S. revealed that my services:
• Initially the Greek prisoners were transferred secretly from one end of Turkey on the other, outside of Erzurum.
• In Turkey kept alive nearly two hundred. The others were tortured or executed.
• some were kept alive to be exchanged with Turkish first-or-other possible negotiations.
• identified the 2nd Commando Brigade in the bowl and the 11th Infantry Brigade in Denizli!
• It is true, as I first revealed in my book, that few Greek politicians know everything associated with "hot" issue of live prisoners, but not speak, because the issue will fuel regional tensions! ...
In his celebrated book a lodge-fire testimony by former Prime consultant to defense and security of the country quarterback Nick Gryllakis, which lists information about existence in the last survivors of Turkey for the identification and possible rescue of which had no legitimacy in the coming years (Government of Papandreou and Simitis governments).
To be noted that many unknown details about the existence of prisoners in the dungeons of the neighboring country and the witness knew the Cypriot land Theophilos Georgiades, who was coordinating another business release prisoners in maximum security prisons in the province of Nevsehir Tsiakirli, where, however, revealed the company Greek Cypriot and one Turkish killed by the fire ... Shortly after, Theophilos Georgiades was murdered by agents of the Turkish secret services, and some wipe hard disk, where there were countless encrypted evidence of survivors from the time of Attila ...
For those who remain skeptical about this shocking national our case, we learn an equally incredible-but-proven true human adventure, just recently recorded the international news agencies: "My OKoreatis Sergeant Chang-Huan, who was prisoner in 1953 by North Korean forces, escaped after forty-five years and went to Kina. When a prisoner was arrested 27 years. Now it's 72! "


"Archaeologists Business»
The current president of New Democracy, Antonis Samaras, quietly dealt with the case of prisoners - the missing of Attila. And he succeeded, indeed, to some extent to confirm information of substance. Besides, one of the most famous covert operations on Turkish soil, "Operation Archaeologists," was his intervention and the time was serving as foreign minister in order to pave the way for this number one national issue. He started an earnest effort to find missing persons, which continued the then Foreign Secretary, Virginia Tsouderos. Antonis Samaras down a painful road, desperate with longing and intense diplomatic balance, risk and excitement.
At the ministry, a group of four agents had come to an area in the last of Turkey, where they had found traces of surviving prisoners of the Cyprus tragedy. Of the four agents - specialists in Greek-Turkish, one appeared as an archaeologist, the other with the "cap" the assistant - associate, the other being the guide ... The Turks had formed narrow unbearable yoke, watching their movements. The "hawks" of the MIT does not let them breathe and the Greek officials continued to seek supposedly lost frescoes in the ruins of early Christian churches. When you relax the stranglehold, one of the Greek officials began the action in Turkish territory, looking for traces of details and critical, while another came from Greece and prosetitheto group remaining, when the Turks saw the MIT again and again committed to four Science archaeologists ... The number of four remained stable ...
Antonis Samaras never cashed those efforts or want to advertise to these interventions and personal interest in order to shed light on obscure points of captivity and Cypriot Greek nationals. Moreover, Cyprus has never been about him "crutch" that would balloon the popularity rates.
With the release of the book Missing - Top Secret - 13 Pigeons asked Olga Dread for living prisoners for his work at the Foreign Ministry, for Tsouderos, which highlighted how some were found alive, for the information he knew . Among other things, Mr. Samaras said that a thorough investigation of this case "and, indeed, special missions, which were made without anyone ever learn anything and without having to say anything on this ... It had been a great effort on my days and I know that continued effort, Ms. Tsouderos - we had to do, after all
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:25 pm

...very, very interesting wyoming.

...what is the source?
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby kimon07 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:13 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...very, very interesting wyoming.

...what is the source?


The book 13 pigeons.
And by the way, it is not Tsouderos, it is Virginia Tsouderou. Her father acted as prime minister of the Greek Government in Cairo during WW2. Her brother, who happened to be in the US when the war erupted, instead of hiding in some American military hospital like Andreas Papandreou did, joined the commando battalion of Greek American Volunteers which was formed by the US government and was parachuted in Greece and participated to sabotage missions against the Germans.

He was decorated by the Greek state just a few years ago and just before he died of old age. Typical.
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby kimon07 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:20 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...very, very interesting wyoming.

...what is the source?



http://kostasxan.blogspot.com/2012/03/13.html
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:48 am

...cheers kimon, i have added it to my favorites.
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Re: Are Unidentified Skeletons in Turkish Prison Greek Cypri

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:15 pm

Who ever the remains may be of, whether of Turkish political prisoners, Kurds are some of the missing Cypriots, in my view
1) Turkey as a state as well as individual soldiers committed war crimes in the treatment of Cypriots during the invasion
2) Turkey has committed crimes against humanity in its treatement of Cyprus and the Kurds.

Let us hope the facts come out and be acknowledged by Turkey, but if the Armenian genocide is anything to go by they will probbaly try to brazen it out.
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