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[repulsewarrior]

With the number of skulls discovered having risen from five to 11 in less than a week, excavation continues, albeit slowly given that machines cannot be used due to the area's historical site status.

Indeed, despite the fact that İçkale was known to be one of JİTEM's execution sites, no excavations in search of human remains were previously allowed in the region because of its historical heritage. The area has been completely cordoned off to the public, including the press, with only a specially authorized team having been granted permission to enter the area.

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=3F532B2EEFC82AAFC3DA125344440D71?newsId=268727

...16 January, 2012.

[B25]

As for similarities; maybe the clue is in the 9mm. Looked that up (great, now Google are going to show me adverts of guns) and it was assigned to a Beretta (Turkish) pistol - which is just the sort of thing they would pull out to 'execute' somebody.

Silly girl!

Forensics cannot tell you which specific brand and model pistol fired those shots so many years ago! All they can tell you is the family of pistols used (ie: military, hunting, sports, toy junk, etc). The Italian Beretta is a huge manufacturer that makes guns for every use.

Re Gr, does it matter what the murder weapon was? These are just semantics, the bottom line is these people, probably GCs, were brutrally murdered by a terrorist regime and need to answer for. Thats the top and bottom of it.

Just because a report said 9mm, wtf does that matter, seriously. If one of them were one of yours would that be important, or the fact that they were murdered.
Instead of fighting GIG, your effort would be better spent and appreciated if you had supported her.

[AWE]

Ok let me get this straight: 38 bodies found in a prison that houses hundreds, possibly thousands, of mainly Kurdish prisoners, in A Kurdish area, with Turkey and the PKK fighting a dirty war during the 80's and 90's and of course they are GCs, can't be any other persons!

[Get Real!]

Re Gr, does it matter what the murder weapon was? These are just semantics, the bottom line is these people, probably GCs, were brutrally murdered by a terrorist regime and need to answer for. Thats the top and bottom of it.

Just because a report said 9mm, wtf does that matter, seriously. If one of them were one of yours would that be important, or the fact that they were murdered.
Instead of fighting GIG, your effort would be better spent and appreciated if you had supported her.

I’m only interested in the TRUTH and I find the caliber suspicious as I mentioned earlier and that’s all! Despite my concern, I never see such reports as an opportunity to attack Turkey unless they are proven to be Cypriot victims.

The problem with being quick to bad mouth Turkey is that the truth never comes out and victims (Cypriot or Turkish) can never get any justice or closure for their relatives.

Clouding the CyProb by not demanding and acquiring credible evidence for everything, and by not being 100% honest, has proven to be our greatest downfall and resulted in this stagnation and frustration.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Ok let me get this straight: 38 bodies found in a prison that houses hundreds, possibly thousands, of mainly Kurdish prisoners, in A Kurdish area, with Turkey and the PKK fighting a dirty war during the 80's and 90's and of course they are GCs, can't be any other persons!

They might not be GCs - the MEP was only asking (understandably) for verification since some 200 GCs were taken to that particular prison and never returned.

Also, they have already confirmed:

" .... have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners."

[GreekIslandGirl]

Re Gr, does it matter what the murder weapon was? These are just semantics, the bottom line is these people, probably GCs, were brutrally murdered by a terrorist regime and need to answer for. Thats the top and bottom of it.

Just because a report said 9mm, wtf does that matter, seriously. If one of them were one of yours would that be important, or the fact that they were murdered.
Instead of fighting GIG, your effort would be better spent and appreciated if you had supported her.

I’m only interested in the TRUTH and I find the caliber suspicious as I mentioned earlier and that’s all! Despite my concern, I never see such reports as an opportunity to attack Turkey unless they are proven to be Cypriot victims.

The problem with being quick to bad mouth Turkey is that the truth never comes out and victims (Cypriot or Turkish) can never get any justice or closure for their relatives.

Clouding the CyProb by not demanding and acquiring credible evidence for everything, and by not being 100% honest, has proven to be our greatest downfall and resulted in this stagnation and frustration.

Everyone wants the truth, but what difference does anything of what you said make to the legitimate request, under the circumstances, for allowing DNA testing for the missing GCs?

Does it REALLY matter if it was a 'military execution' with the right firearm or not?

[Get Real!]

I’d be happy to see a formal enquiry but until such time there’s nothing wrong with debating circumstantial evidence and such on the forum.

[supporttheunderdog]

The 38 skeletons had been executed with 9mm bullets to the head,

The world’s militaries don't use that caliber. These are mainly sporting pistols.

GR sorry to say for you that 9mm is a very common military and police calibre being a standard Nato round derived from the 9mm parrabellum/Luger cartridges and Guns used for example included the Browning Hi-Power, the German Luger, the Berreta M9, Swiss Army Sig P49 the Schmeismer and Sterling machine pistols/Sub machine Guns, etc..

[kimon07]

The 38 skeletons had been executed with 9mm bullets to the head,

The world’s military don't use that caliber. These are mainly sporting pistols.

The truth is that ALL military (and police and security forces) (especially NATO members) use the 9mm for decades as the ONLY caliber for side arms as well as for most modern sub machine guns, like the well known German MP3.

It was a 9mm that killed Solomos from quite a distance away.

The 9mm in service with the turkish army:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equ ... Small_arms

Yavuz 16
Semi-automatic pistol
9mm Parabellum
Italy/ Turkey
Standard service pistol. Beretta 92 produced under license by MKEK.

Kılınç 2000
Semi-automatic pistol 9mm Parabellum Czech Republic/ Turkey
Standard officer pistol. Turkish copy of the Czech CZ 75.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m9.htm

The M9 Beretta pistol is the standard Army sidearm. It replaced the M1911A1 pistol in .45 caliber. It is basically a Beretta 92F pistol and fires the 9mm NATO round. A semiautomatic, double-action pistol, the M9 is more lethal, lighter, and safer than its predecessors. The M9 is carried by crew-served weapon crewmen and by others who have a personal defense requirement, such as law enforcement personnel and aviators. It replaces the M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol and the .38 caliber revolver.

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_ArmyPistol.htm

In 1985 the United States Army replaced the Colt 1911 service pistol with the Italian designed M9 Beretta. The first question that came to mind is why? Why not simply order up a few hundred thousand of the then new Series 80 Colts? There are various reasons but several sources in the Army claim Congress, always well informed, pushed the 9mm pistol on the Army to place the United States in line with NATO

[kimon07]

Ok let me get this straight: 38 bodies found in a prison that houses hundreds, possibly thousands, of mainly Kurdish prisoners, in A Kurdish area, with Turkey and the PKK fighting a dirty war during the 80's and 90's and of course they are GCs, can't be any other persons!

"The 38 skeletons had been executed with 9mm bullets to the head, she pointed out and based on DNA tests, have not been identified as belonging to Turkish or Kurdish prisoners."