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[kimon07]

Yorgos (George Michael) sings in the OG2012 closing ceremony...

http://vimeo.com/47422577

Another Briton, next to Lisa Dobrisky, who had the audacity to suggest that the Turkish runners cheated, "for crying out loud" (in Polish).

[bill cobbett]

Kimon.... my dear,

Your claims have already been rubbished regarding Taekwondo. Again you have to be told the obvious in the forlorn hope that it sinks in..There is no connection between a Korean sport that had its roots in the Korea of 2,000+ years ago and anything that passed as sport in Old Atheneucia. If you feel there was contact between these very widely separated cultures, then please tell us what form that contact could possibly have taken.

... and now you're digging yourself deeper in to a hole by suggesting that they also had football... Fair enough loads of ancient cultures had a sport that involved kicking a ball around but the game which was first set to rules, rules which are still almost unchanged, in mid 19th Century GB... where the pitch was standardised, the sizes of the goals outlined, clubs and leagues established etc. etc.

... Cos when you say "football" it's taken to be the current version of the game and not a couple of old goat-herders kicking a pig's bladder around in some haphazard way.

You'll be telling us next that the old greeks invented the off-side rule in football!

Your approach is to post pickies of old flower-pots with pictures on them and present them as proof that these sports were the invention of the old greeks and to go rummaging for links that support your very weak arguments whilst ignoring the facts that don't support you.

[Get Real!]

Why hasn’t Kimon informed the forum that Turkey has acquired two gold and two silver Olympic medals?

But isn't that what YOUR JOB?

BTW Well done to the Turkish athletes. Now, the British runner (actually a Polish girl I think, who became British recently) has accused the two Turkish girls of foul play but I don't want to believe it. Turks don't do such things.

My job is to rub your face in the dirt where it belongs…

Final positions:

03 Great Britain
32 Turkey
69 Cyprus
75 Greece

You may now shove your Greek olive branch where the sun doesn’t shine!

[kimon07]

Kimon.... my dear,

Your claims have already been rubbished regarding Taekwondo. Again you have to be told the obvious in the forlorn hope that it sinks in..There is no connection between a Korean sport that had its roots in the Korea of 2,000+ years ago ......

I never said there was any connection between Tae Kwon do and pankration. I only said Pankration existed and it was similar. You insist to pretend not to understand. The only think having been rubbished is your effort to twist the content of my posts and your claimn that the roots of tae kwon do are 2000+ years old.
Read and learn.

Etymology
Tang Soo Do is the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters 唐手道 (Tang Shou Dao).[1] Tang Soo Do literally means "China Hand Way" (the "Tang" refers to the Tang Dynasty). Similar characters are pronounced karate-dō in Japanese. The first character, 唐, which initially referred to China, was later changed to 空 by Gichin Funakoshi to mean "empty" rather than "China" 空手道, thus Kong Shou Dao; the Korean pronunciation of these characters is "Kong Soo Do"). Outside of the Far East, the term "Tang Soo Do" has primarily become synonymous with the Korean martial art promoted by grandmaster Hwang Kee.

Founder
According to books published by General Choi Hung Hi in 1965, and Hwang Kee in 1978, Tang Soo Do is one of a number of generic Korean terms for fighting with bare hands and feet. As such, Tang Soo Do cannot be said to have a founder. Rather, the name of "Tang Soo Do" was adopted by Hwang Kee, the founder of the Moo Duk Kwan, as a descriptor of the art he promoted.
The history of the Moo Duk Kwan (from which the majority of all modern Tang Soo Do stylists can trace their lineage) can be traced to a single founder: Hwang Kee.[2] Hwang Kee learned Chinese martial arts while in Manchuria. He also was influenced by what he claimed were the indigenous Korean arts of taekkyeon and subak.

History

This article is written like a personal reflection or essay rather than an encyclopedic description of the subject. Please help improve it by rewriting it in an encyclopedic style. (June 2012)

During the Japanese occupation (1910–1945), Hwang Kee left Korea and ventured into Manchuria. There he came into contact with an art similar to T'ai chi ch'uan. Hwang Kee eventually incorporated the flowing and graceful motions of the Chinese system with the linear, strong movements of Karate Do and the diverse kicking of taekkyeon. This blend resulted into what is currently known as Soo Bahk Do.
Around the time of the liberation of Korea in 1945, five martial arts schools called the kwans were formed by men who were primarily trained in some form of karate, but also had exposure to taekkyeon and kungfu. The five prominent kwans (and respective founders) were: Chung Do Kwan (Lee Won Kuk), Jidokwan (Chun Sang Sup), Chang Moo Kwan (Lee Nam Suk and Kim Soon Bae), Moo Duk Kwan (Hwang Kee), and Song Moo Kwan (Ro Byung Jik). These schools taught what most Americans know as "Korean Karate." However, there were some philosophical differences in technique application and more of an emphasis on kicking in the Tang Soo Do Jido/Chung Do/Chang Moo/Moo Duk/Song Moo Kwan systems.
Around 1953, shortly after the Korean War, four more annex kwans formed. These 2nd-generation kwans and their principle founders were: Oh Do Kwan (Choi Hong Hi and Nam Tae Hi), Han Moo Kwan (Lee Kyo Yoon), Kang Duk Won (Park Chul Hee and Hong Jong Pyo) and Jung Do Kwan (Lee Young Woo). In 1955, these arts, at that time called various names by the different schools, were ordered to unify, by South Korea's President Syngman Rhee. A governmental body selected a naming committee's submission of "Taekwondo" as the name. Both Son Duk Sung and Choi Hong Hi claim to have submitted the name.

Read more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Soo_Do#Founder

http://www.tang-soo-do.org.uk/history.html

P.S. I happened to be one of the first pupils of the Tang Soo do School which was opened in Athens in 1973-4 by the son of the "founder" of Tang Soo Do (before he was chased to the states by the Korean embassy). So, I should know better huh?

[kimon07]

Kimon.... my dear,

Your claims have already been rubbished regarding Taekwondo. Again you have to be told the obvious in the forlorn hope that it sinks in..There is no connection between a Korean sport that had its roots in the Korea of 2,000+ years ago ......

I never said there was any connection between Tae Kwon do and pankration. I only said Pankration existed and it was similar. You insist to pretend not to understand.

To avoid seeing your claims about Pankration being rubbished, I suggest you watch this video very carefully:

http://www.history.com/videos/human-wea ... pankration

[bill cobbett]

Kimon.... my dear,

Your claims have already been rubbished regarding Taekwondo. Again you have to be told the obvious in the forlorn hope that it sinks in..There is no connection between a Korean sport that had its roots in the Korea of 2,000+ years ago ......

I never said there was any connection between Tae Kwon do and pankration. I only said Pankration existed and it was similar. You insist to pretend not to understand.

To avoid seeing your claims about Pankration being rubbished, I suggest you watch this video very carefully:

http://www.history.com/videos/human-wea ... pankration

Mate you went much further than saying it was similar.

Did you not say said that Pankration was the INSPIRATION for taekwando... is that not what you said???.. Cause and Effect mate comes with the "Inspiration" that you claimed a few days ago, Inspiration implies a connection, whereas as there was no physical or any other kind of connection there can be no INSPIRATION as you claimed.

You also said... "They had the predecessor "PANGRATION".... did you not also say that...??? How can it be a predecessor when its roots are remote and independent of anything greek and also developing at about the same time...???

According to your train of thought we can say that two pre-historic cave-men wrestling/boxing/kicking were the INSPIRATION for Pancration as well as its Predecessor...????

Look up the History of the sport in Korea... it's roots are pre-BC, and not of Korean War heritage as you claim.

Again you have to be asked (for the third time) to explain the connection between the two sports, how Greece and Korea came into contact 2,000+ years ago. How many more times do you have to be asked...???

Here and don't say ain't trying to help you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo ... scroll down to History.

... and you'll find a map of the world beyond 5thC Atheneucia at... http://www.mapsofworld.com/

[kimon07]

Kimon.... my dear,

Your claims have already been rubbished regarding Taekwondo. Again you have to be told the obvious in the forlorn hope that it sinks in..There is no connection between a Korean sport that had its roots in the Korea of 2,000+ years ago ......

I never said there was any connection between Tae Kwon do and pankration. I only said Pankration existed and it was similar. You insist to pretend not to understand.

To avoid seeing your claims about Pankration being rubbished, I suggest you watch this video very carefully:

http://www.history.com/videos/human-wea ... pankration

Mate you went much further than saying it was similar.

Did you not say said that Pankration was the INSPIRATION for taekwando...

[size=150][b]NO!

You also said... "They had the predecessor "PANGRATION".... did you not also say that...???

YES I said that, meaning that the ancient Olympics had a martial art hich could be considered as the predecessor in terms of a similar martial art being included in the games today not that tae kwon do derived from Pankration. Easy to understand I would think.
I also said that pankration has elements resembling to tae kwon do and judo and wrestling and kick boxing etc.

How can it be a predecessor when its roots are remote and independent of anything greek and also developing at about the same time...???

Explained above.

Look up the History of the sport in Korea... it's roots are pre-BC, and not of Korean War heritage as you claim.

You look it up. I knew it since I was 25. And was tsught to me by two Korean instructors. A Tang Soo Do one and a Tae Kwon Do one. I have provided lots official sites for you. Tae Kwon Do started in Korea after the '50s and got its name in the '60s. Tang Soo Do was started before that that and was based on the Chinese Martial Arts which the founder of Tang Soo Do learned while in Manchuria during WW2.

Again you have to be asked (for the third time) to explain the connection between the two sports...

NO connection as far as I know (yet). Just similarities in the concept and in some of the technics. See the very educational videos I have posted.

[supporttheunderdog]

Here's hoping... for the dream.
The little floating rock in the Mediterranean realizes its first Olympic medal in its history.


Updates and news to follow....

Why dont the paralympic Atheletes get the rrecognition they deserve?
Karolina Pelendritou
gold medals 2004 and 2008 -

Here is to her success in London in 2012.

[bill cobbett]

Here's hoping... for the dream.
The little floating rock in the Mediterranean realizes its first Olympic medal in its history.


Updates and news to follow....

Why dont the paralympic Atheletes get the rrecognition they deserve?
Karolina Pelendritou
gold medals 2004 and 2008 -

Here is to her success in London in 2012.

Well, the Para Games are gonna be massively popular here in GB... like the other Games back in their place of birth.

[yialousa1971]