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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:19 pm

...I want equality of the 2 states but you want all the advantages fore the south and nothing for the north so that we accept your domination forcing us into minority status in a GC state.


there is one state in a bicommunal formula, and many, at least two constituent states.

BBF does not mean tearing the island into two mutually exclusive entities; your premise is not valid.

i want equality amongst the National Assemblies, and, unlike you, i believe that individuals should have the right to live where they choose whether they choose to live as a minority or majority within one territorial jurisdiction or another, united because as Cypriots they demonstrate a commitment to the Universal Principals all Mankind represents.

...please read my manifesto.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:38 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
...I want equality of the 2 states but you want all the advantages fore the south and nothing for the north so that we accept your domination forcing us into minority status in a GC state.


there is one state in a bicommunal formula, and many, at least two constituent states.

BBF does not mean tearing the island into two mutually exclusive entities; your premise is not valid.

i want equality amongst the National Assemblies, and, unlike you, i believe that individuals should have the right to live where they choose whether they choose to live as a minority or majority within one territorial jurisdiction or another, united because as Cypriots they demonstrate a commitment to the Universal Principals all Mankind represents.

...please read my manifesto.


Your unitary state mentality forces the Tcs into minority status, this will never happen we wont allow it....about time you realized and accepted it.

Now the two state solution gives both sides what they want, the right to run their own state under rules monitored by the federal level.....you have to accept equality between states, what you see fit for the south you should also allow in the north....I also support freedom of movement, people should be allowed to live freely where ever they wish, but they should also be allowed to live under the administration of either Gcs in the south or TCs in the north.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:53 pm

...you mean it gives "Turks" and "Greeks" what they want; like Turkey you ignore the existence of Cyprus and Cypriots.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:05 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...you mean it gives "Turks" and "Greeks" what they want; like Turkey you ignore the existence of Cyprus and Cypriots.


Cyprus is made up of two main ethnic groups there is no such thing as Cypriots, we are not united and this will not happen because you demand it.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:18 am

...two main ethnic groups indeed, but they are all Cypriots, except of course the settlers and the Turkish Army who illegally subject the dwellers to their will.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:04 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...two main ethnic groups indeed, but they are all Cypriots, except of course the settlers and the Turkish Army who illegally subject the dwellers to their will.



Now that we have established that why do you want to force me to live under your administration why cant we have the freedom to choose whose admin we want to live under?
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:48 am

Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...two main ethnic groups indeed, but they are all Cypriots, except of course the settlers and the Turkish Army who illegally subject the dwellers to their will.



Now that we have established that why do you want to force me to live under your administration why cant we have the freedom to choose whose admin we want to live under?


...obviously, you are misinformed, or ignorant, about Cyprus and/or the BBF; you should read my manifesto.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:55 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...two main ethnic groups indeed, but they are all Cypriots, except of course the settlers and the Turkish Army who illegally subject the dwellers to their will.



Now that we have established that why do you want to force me to live under your administration why cant we have the freedom to choose whose admin we want to live under?


...obviously, you are misinformed, or ignorant, about Cyprus and/or the BBF; you should read my manifesto.


Explain it to me.
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:55 am

Dear Mr. Ki-Moon,

My hope is that you will consider the value of my thinking now that a way ahead will be proposed that serves a family far bigger than "Greek" or "Turk". My hope is that you will not forget the rest of us who place Universal Principals first. The world needs a definition for Bicommunal, and now the word Bizonal. At 55, I have spent the greater part of my life remembering (Cyprus), not to forget, and to act accordingly. With the revolution of the Information Age, I beg you to google, or blogspot, repulsewarrior; that's me.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...this much we know so far.

(at least) three governing bodies must exist for this agreement to fructify Identities for each.

In my Cyprus, the Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is defined by one Sovereign State representing me as an Individual, while there exists for these People (like me), as Persons, National Assemblies with Territorial Jurisdictions, to provide for them as Majorities a means to sustain this identity as well.

In my Cyprus, the Green Line becomes a frontier, no longer a border, because (at least for some), the displaced return as they left, as Communities. Enclaves, which pocket the whole island, offers this opportunity to Individuals by having real choices as Persons (, that will include some of the newly displaced,), with the possibility of more than two "zones" (including the needs of the Maronite and Armenian communities, Sovereignty never being a question), without tearing the fabric of the living around them, respectful to the reciprocal nature of their recognition for the special needs of the Minorities amongst them, inclusive because the diversity of each society (Turkish and Greek mostly) will expand island wide.

Cypriots rely on your abilities to remember that they may be the few in a wider complexity of the Problem, they, they need Good Governance based on the Principals of Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, and a Rule of Law.

Cyprus is an island. After all, it has never been but one, its Heritance dates back to the beginnings of Mankind, this wealth which is Humanity's cannot be dismissed, either.

Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: “Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.”, lol.

Most Warmly, I Prey you have Good Guidance.


...is this clear enough, vp?

...would you recognise (a duly elected President) Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as Mr. Eroglu's, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive as his own (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership?
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Re: United federal Cyprus must be the solution, Cypriot yout

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:41 pm

repulse you have regressed back to gobble di gook but so far you have put forward nothing that would persuade TCs to unite.
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