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[Paphitis]

see what happens in the next few weeks. the tergs will grab a chunk of syria and there is fuck all the russians can about it. let them bomb the terggish soldiers if they dared.

Im sure the Russians are ....shit scared of the tergggish soldiers. This is one time that the Turkish army will face someone of superior military might. The Turkish army will be incinerated by the Russians and howling in their loudest voice for NATO to save them.

You see you are that STUPID.

The Turks are not inferior to the Russians at all. The Turks can deploy MORE troops, MORE Tanks, MORE aircraft and MORE Ships. They are militarily far superior to the Russian deployments in Syria.

40 odd aircraft of the Russian Air Force just wont cut it against the TAF and RSAF. Not even close!

[Kikapu]

I'm sorry to tell you this, Paphitis, but unless the USA is leading the charge with her own troops on the ground in Syria which the Americans want no part of it and for what for, Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not be going into Syria, and if they were stupid enough to do so, then I agree with RH, that they will be decimated. I have told you before, that getting Turkey into Syria has been the dream of the USA for a very long time to facilitate the break-up of Turkey, and even though the USA may push Turkey into Syria with the "promise" that the USA will be there to protect her, once Turkey is in Syria, Turkey will be on her own. Without a UN mandate to invade Syria, whomever enters Syria will be at the mercy of the Syrians and the Russians.

We all know that Turkey and Saudi Arabia wanting to come to Syria to fight ISIS is a lot of crap, specially the excuse to come to liberate Raqqa from ISIS. Right now Turkey can ONLY fire shells from within the safety of their borders into Syria. Gee, how brave is that? Erdogan and Davutoglu always talk big, but they really have no influence in Syria. As soon as the PYD is in control of their areas in Syria, their attention will turn to Turkey through whichever means is available to them, and as soon as the PYD form a state along the Turkish border with the blessing of Assad, then they will be able to get all the weapons they want from the USA and Russia. Turkey's days are numbered as the same Turkey we all know today. It is already written. It is a matter of time for it to be implemented, with Turkey's help of course.

Once Turkey crosses into Syria, there goes her NATO protection, hence many leading Turks are worried that Turkey's involvement in Syria might end up Turkey losing Turkish territory, which is what the USA, EU and Russians want. Turkey is being drawn into the slaughterhouse and Erdogan thinks he will be seen as the liberator of Syria. As for getting Saudi Arabia stuck in Syria, well, perhaps the Americans, Russians and the Iranians also have plans for them too, like shutting off their oil in order for the oil prices to rise.

Listen my friend, no one has clean hands in or around Syria, so if you are so adamant that Assad must go, who would you like to replace him, because there's not going to be any democracy in Syria once the dust settles as you might expect one to be.

I don't agree with this assessment.

They are massing their troops and mechanized on the Border.

I will seriously wait a few days if I were you because something serious is brewing and the USA has already indicated that they will support a Ground Operation in Syria.

The latest country to make any official statement has been the UAE which is also sending troops over to Turkey and said that it will support a US led Ground Operation.

And if Pootin thinks he can decimate these forces, then go ahead. I beg to differ!

USA might support a ground operation of Turkey going into Syria which has been USA's dream for a very long time, but USA will not be leading a ground operation with her troops, which is what the invading armies need to hide behind the USA's skirt, so not to be decimated by the local forces plus Russia. As I've said, once Turkey and others commit themselves to enter Syria, they will be left on their own to deal with the Syrian army, PYD and the Russians and will not be backed by NATO.

[Paphitis]

I'm sorry to tell you this, Paphitis, but unless the USA is leading the charge with her own troops on the ground in Syria which the Americans want no part of it and for what for, Turkey and Saudi Arabia will not be going into Syria, and if they were stupid enough to do so, then I agree with RH, that they will be decimated. I have told you before, that getting Turkey into Syria has been the dream of the USA for a very long time to facilitate the break-up of Turkey, and even though the USA may push Turkey into Syria with the "promise" that the USA will be there to protect her, once Turkey is in Syria, Turkey will be on her own. Without a UN mandate to invade Syria, whomever enters Syria will be at the mercy of the Syrians and the Russians.

We all know that Turkey and Saudi Arabia wanting to come to Syria to fight ISIS is a lot of crap, specially the excuse to come to liberate Raqqa from ISIS. Right now Turkey can ONLY fire shells from within the safety of their borders into Syria. Gee, how brave is that? Erdogan and Davutoglu always talk big, but they really have no influence in Syria. As soon as the PYD is in control of their areas in Syria, their attention will turn to Turkey through whichever means is available to them, and as soon as the PYD form a state along the Turkish border with the blessing of Assad, then they will be able to get all the weapons they want from the USA and Russia. Turkey's days are numbered as the same Turkey we all know today. It is already written. It is a matter of time for it to be implemented, with Turkey's help of course.

Once Turkey crosses into Syria, there goes her NATO protection, hence many leading Turks are worried that Turkey's involvement in Syria might end up Turkey losing Turkish territory, which is what the USA, EU and Russians want. Turkey is being drawn into the slaughterhouse and Erdogan thinks he will be seen as the liberator of Syria. As for getting Saudi Arabia stuck in Syria, well, perhaps the Americans, Russians and the Iranians also have plans for them too, like shutting off their oil in order for the oil prices to rise.

Listen my friend, no one has clean hands in or around Syria, so if you are so adamant that Assad must go, who would you like to replace him, because there's not going to be any democracy in Syria once the dust settles as you might expect one to be.

I don't agree with this assessment.

They are massing their troops and mechanized on the Border.

I will seriously wait a few days if I were you because something serious is brewing and the USA has already indicated that they will support a Ground Operation in Syria.

The latest country to make any official statement has been the UAE which is also sending troops over to Turkey and said that it will support a US led Ground Operation.

And if Pootin thinks he can decimate these forces, then go ahead. I beg to differ!

USA might support a ground operation of Turkey going into Syria which has been USA's dream for a very long time, but USA will not be leading a ground operation with her troops, which is what the invading armies need to hide behind the USA's skirt, so not to be decimated by the local forces plus Russia. As I've said, once Turkey and others commit themselves to enter Syria, they will be left on their own to deal with the Syrian army, PYD and the Russians and will not be backed by NATO.

I am not so sure.

It will be very difficult for the USA to justify not sending troops in if Turkey and KSA invade. Not that Turkey and the KSA need their hands held, because I think they would quickly overwhelm Regime Forces very quickly, and Pootin would probably not attack them.

There is also a question of the Kurds. There would be enormous eagerness to protect Kurdish Forces from the Turkish Military, so the Australian SAS and Commandos might be task with deploying into Kurdish Areas specifically to provide them with a shield from any Turkish Aggression. Turkey will not be able to attack them if there are allied troops among them.

The Kurdish Forces are key to the Coalition's strategy and as such are protected.

[miltiades]

This rather naïve and utterly full of shit individual who imagines that he is playing with HIS toys, HIS army, is in fact playing toy soldiers whilst dreaming that his is the ....Commander In Chief. So wet behind the ears he is that he actually believes all the crap that he posts.

By the way, page 21 of this thread, way back in August 2013 he had this, ....contradictory to his current bullshit, say.

" Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say. "

So back then he believed that the rebels opposing the legal Syrian government were backed by fundamentalist islamists, stating that its better to help the Assad regime !!
What an arsehole of a Plonker!

You're a total idiot and no one takes you seriously.

You're just entertainment for the chronically bored. Assad is out of favor, and we want him gone.

One thing to say that it is sometimes better for a dictator to remain but quite another to say it when people are dieing in order to get rid of the tyrant. Assad's position is untenable. There is no political solution to this I'm afraid. The war will just go on and on for a very long time with him in control.

You therefore retract this comment of yours : " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. "

Your political analysis and acumen match that of a toddler playing toy soldiers.
By the way the USA has NOT indicated that it is considering boots on the ground, the other nations wanting to send ground troops will only do so if the USA ie the coalition send troops. As for Turkey on its own taking on Russia, well this in it self is indicative of your naivety and total ignorance of realities.
I do however agree with the comment you made in 2013 that " it is better in helping regimes like Assad".

[Paphitis]

This rather naïve and utterly full of shit individual who imagines that he is playing with HIS toys, HIS army, is in fact playing toy soldiers whilst dreaming that his is the ....Commander In Chief. So wet behind the ears he is that he actually believes all the crap that he posts.

By the way, page 21 of this thread, way back in August 2013 he had this, ....contradictory to his current bullshit, say.

" Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say. "

So back then he believed that the rebels opposing the legal Syrian government were backed by fundamentalist islamists, stating that its better to help the Assad regime !!
What an arsehole of a Plonker!

You're a total idiot and no one takes you seriously.

You're just entertainment for the chronically bored. Assad is out of favor, and we want him gone.

One thing to say that it is sometimes better for a dictator to remain but quite another to say it when people are dieing in order to get rid of the tyrant. Assad's position is untenable. There is no political solution to this I'm afraid. The war will just go on and on for a very long time with him in control.

You therefore retract this comment of yours : " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. "

Your political analysis and acumen match that of a toddler playing toy soldiers.
By the way the USA has NOT indicated that it is considering boots on the ground, the other nations wanting to send ground troops will only do so if the USA ie the coalition send troops. As for Turkey on its own taking on Russia, well this in it self is indicative of your naivety and total ignorance of realities.
I do however agree with the comment you made in 2013 that " it is better in helping regimes like Assad".

Bloody oath I retract it.

He is a war criminal who is killing civilians, has used Sarin Gas on his own people, and millions of people don't want him.

I can never condemn all Syrians to this Barbaric Criminal with absolutely no respect for other religious creeds and ethnicities.

He is a butcher of the worse kind and far far far worse than DAESH can ever be.

You're a very sad individual to expect Syrians to live forever under his control when Millions can't even get papers for their existence.

http://www.unhcr.org/52b45bbf6.html

[Paphitis]

BTW, good luck with trying to achieve a Military Solution! It's not going to happen because we won't allow it to happen and the Rebels will just switch to Asymmetric Warfare.

God help you all. I anticipate however that troops will be on the ground very soon to maintain the Status Quo ahead of any peace talks.

[miltiades]

This rather naïve and utterly full of shit individual who imagines that he is playing with HIS toys, HIS army, is in fact playing toy soldiers whilst dreaming that his is the ....Commander In Chief. So wet behind the ears he is that he actually believes all the crap that he posts.

By the way, page 21 of this thread, way back in August 2013 he had this, ....contradictory to his current bullshit, say.

" Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say. "

So back then he believed that the rebels opposing the legal Syrian government were backed by fundamentalist islamists, stating that its better to help the Assad regime !!
What an arsehole of a Plonker!

You're a total idiot and no one takes you seriously.

You're just entertainment for the chronically bored. Assad is out of favor, and we want him gone.

One thing to say that it is sometimes better for a dictator to remain but quite another to say it when people are dieing in order to get rid of the tyrant. Assad's position is untenable. There is no political solution to this I'm afraid. The war will just go on and on for a very long time with him in control.

You therefore retract this comment of yours : " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. "

Your political analysis and acumen match that of a toddler playing toy soldiers.
By the way the USA has NOT indicated that it is considering boots on the ground, the other nations wanting to send ground troops will only do so if the USA ie the coalition send troops. As for Turkey on its own taking on Russia, well this in it self is indicative of your naivety and total ignorance of realities.
I do however agree with the comment you made in 2013 that " it is better in helping regimes like Assad".

Bloody oath I retract it.

He is a war criminal who is killing civilians, has used Sarin Gas on his own people, and millions of people don't want him.

I can never condemn all Syrians to this Barbaric Criminal with absolutely no respect for other religious creeds and ethnicities.

He is a butcher of the worse kind and far far far worse than DAESH can ever be.

You're a very sad individual to expect Syrians to live forever under his control when Millions can't even get papers for their existence.

http://www.unhcr.org/52b45bbf6.html

I note your retraction of your views but I'm wondering as to whether in October of 2013 you were aware that Assad was " Barbaric Criminal " or were you then as naïve as you now are

Just for the record I do not support any dictator in whatever country , but I share your expressed views " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. ".

[Paphitis]

This rather naïve and utterly full of shit individual who imagines that he is playing with HIS toys, HIS army, is in fact playing toy soldiers whilst dreaming that his is the ....Commander In Chief. So wet behind the ears he is that he actually believes all the crap that he posts.

By the way, page 21 of this thread, way back in August 2013 he had this, ....contradictory to his current bullshit, say.

" Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say. "

So back then he believed that the rebels opposing the legal Syrian government were backed by fundamentalist islamists, stating that its better to help the Assad regime !!
What an arsehole of a Plonker!

You're a total idiot and no one takes you seriously.

You're just entertainment for the chronically bored. Assad is out of favor, and we want him gone.

One thing to say that it is sometimes better for a dictator to remain but quite another to say it when people are dieing in order to get rid of the tyrant. Assad's position is untenable. There is no political solution to this I'm afraid. The war will just go on and on for a very long time with him in control.

You therefore retract this comment of yours : " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. "

Your political analysis and acumen match that of a toddler playing toy soldiers.
By the way the USA has NOT indicated that it is considering boots on the ground, the other nations wanting to send ground troops will only do so if the USA ie the coalition send troops. As for Turkey on its own taking on Russia, well this in it self is indicative of your naivety and total ignorance of realities.
I do however agree with the comment you made in 2013 that " it is better in helping regimes like Assad".

Bloody oath I retract it.

He is a war criminal who is killing civilians, has used Sarin Gas on his own people, and millions of people don't want him.

I can never condemn all Syrians to this Barbaric Criminal with absolutely no respect for other religious creeds and ethnicities.

He is a butcher of the worse kind and far far far worse than DAESH can ever be.

You're a very sad individual to expect Syrians to live forever under his control when Millions can't even get papers for their existence.

http://www.unhcr.org/52b45bbf6.html

I note your retraction of your views but I'm wondering as to whether in October of 2013 you were aware that Assad was " Barbaric Criminal " or were you then as naïve as you now are

Just for the record I do not support any dictator in whatever country , but I share your expressed views " it is better in helping regimes like Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. ".

It was not a view.

Geopolitics Change and now Pootin is on the seen. Everything is consistent, and there is no way I can ever support Pootin not even if hell freezes over or in a million years.

Pootin is more hated by me than DAESH. I would rather tolerate DAESH for a little while rather than Pootin because I know we can always deal with DAESH later on.

I don't share that view anymore, and if I did once, I am man enough to admit that I was wrong back then. Fact is, Syrians have put up a brave fight against Assad. They want their freedom. I can't stand in their way, not when 300,000 were killed mostly by the Assad Regime btw and not DAESH or any other militia. That is a fact.

[miltiades]

You were correct back then, you are wrong now.
Assad, a dictator he is indeed but who on earth will replace him, there are numerous factions fighting out in Syria, do you think the west will waive a magic wand and install a new government accepted by all?

The only way to bring peace in Syria is to let the Syrian people decide and not the west .

Russia will bring an end to this war sooner than you think, I just hope that Turkey is not stupid enough to employ ground troops, highly unlikely given that the US does not intend to do so.

[miltiades]

"U.S. Asks Turkey to Stop Attacks on Kurdish Fighters. ISTANBUL—The U.S. government called Saturday on Turkey to stop shelling American-backed Kurdish fighters in northern Syria "

Turkish leaders rejected appeals for restraint from France, Germany and the U.S., including a phone call from Vice President Joe Biden to Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-agai ... 1455452506