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[erolz66]

So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report.

Actually I think you will find it is the Human RIghts report that says

Both government and rebel sides are accused of violence against people they detain, the investigators say, but the vast majority are being held by government agencies.

[Paphitis]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35521801

Although the article starts by identifying Assad as the bad guy, as you read down, the accusations apply to both sides, including the 'moderates' and certainly all the other Islamic terrorist groups. So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report. But it is not what is said that is so significant but the way it is written and what is not said that is just as significant.

I think what is said is almost certainly true. I read a couple of paragraphs in a report from Syria (can't find it now) and what they were saying, and it does make sense, is that as Assad's Forces take over more and more of the rebel held territory, these rebels are hiding in with the refugees fleeing the fighting and are being pointed out to the SAA by the people they have been terrorising for years.

It would therefore be reasonable to assume that the Army Intelligence guys are not going to offer them a piece of cake, a cup of tea and a comfy chair for a sit down and a cosy chat!!!!!!

The last paragraph recounts the woman who lost her husband and two of her sons to the Assad security people and they died whilst presumably in custody. The reason for their death was obviously a fabrication. But that is all we know! They were obviously Muslim, most likely anti-Assad and maybe very vocal about it. They may also have been strict Muslims, enough to make them join the Jihad and go and fight for the cause. Were they some of these fighters who terrorised civilians? Were they some of those fingered by those same civilians? That we don't know and never will.

To be pragmatic, Syria is a very active war zone and these abuses happen in every war and on all sides. The US, UK, Saudi, Turkey and virtually any country in Africa are all guilty of the same crimes to varying degrees. So I take the report as just a small window into the overall picture and is not JUST an Assad abuse of human rights.

I regard my self as being a fairly calm character and civilised but I have to be honest and say that if I were in the shoes of the Syrian people, I am not sure I could resisit the temptation to 'get-my-own-back' ...... I might even enjoy it!

The BBC is reporting on a UN Report. They even link to that report.

Therefore, they are purely reporting on the facts as handed down by the United Nations and as portrayed by the UN Report.

Here it is: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... RP1_en.pdf

So yes, they are reporting on mass violations of Human Rights and the mass extermination of Prisoners through starvation, non treatment of wounds and medical conditions.

The same report is also highlighting mass Human Rights violations by Al Nusra and DAESH.

Summary
In the Syrian Arab Republic, massive and systematised violence – including the
killing of detainees in official and makeshift detention centres – has taken place out of sight,
far from the battlefield. This paper examines the killing of detainees occurring between 10
March 2011 and 30 November 2015. Its findings are based on 621 interviews, as well as
considerable documentary material.
Detainees held by the Government were beaten to death, or died as a result of injuries
sustained due to torture. Others perished as a consequence of inhuman living conditions. The
Government has committed the crimes against humanity of extermination, murder, rape or
other forms of sexual violence, torture, imprisonment, enforced disappearance and other
inhuman acts. Based on the same conduct, war crimes have also been committed.
Some anti-Government armed groups established makeshift places of detention where
captured Government soldiers were ill treated, and executed. Others were summarily executed
following illicit trials. Some individuals taken hostage have died while held by armed groups.
Jabhat Al-Nusra has set up detention facilities in Idlib where deaths in detention were
documented. The terrorist group also conducted mass executions of captured Government
soldiers. Both Jabhat Al-Nusra and some anti-Government armed groups have committed the
war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, and torture.
ISIS subjected detainees to serious abuses, including torture and summary executions.
Detainees were frequently executed after unauthorised courts issued a death sentence. ISIS has
committed the crimes against humanity of murder and torture, and war crimes.
Accountability for these and other crimes must form part of any political solution. The
situation of detainees is critical, and represents an urgent and large-scale crisis of human rights
protection. Urgent steps must be taken by the Syrian Government, armed groups, external
backers, and the wider international community to prevent further deaths.

When have your sources actually written about the HR and War Crime violations of Assad?

We want Assad out and we are not stopping until we have his head! End of.

[Kikapu]

Is your partner Turkey or PYD, Erdoğan asks US.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/is-you ... sCatID=510

Erdogan is beginning to crack up. With the above statement, he is alike a amateur poker player going "ALL-IN" with a pair of deuces.

He acts like a neglected child by foster parents! What a cry baby he has turned out to be for a leader of a country. He and Davutoglu compliment each other of being cry babies.

He better hope that the USA does not give him an answer that he won't like, because he will not get the answer that he would like. The USA cannot openly choose Turkey over the PYD, because that would be like sending the PYD to the open arms of Russia to welcome them, much more than they already have thus far.

Lets assume the USA will put Erdogan on it's knees and say to him, "come come now little boy, stop crying. I'm always here for you to protect you until you grow up to become a man so not to cry all the time", does Erdogn thinks he will be able to attack the PYD? He is delusional if he thinks that, because all the PYD needs to do is to go from one pimp for protection, the USA, to another pimp for protection, Russia, and we are back to square one. If the USA were to let the PYD go for Erdogan, then the USA better forget about having any military bases in Syria...period.

Perhaps the USA should remind Erdogan why he wasn't with the USA the first 4 years of the war in Syria when Turkey kept her air bases off limity to the USA, so that the USA would not attack Erdogan terrorist friends, the ISIS in Syria.
Looks like Erdogan is stuck between a rock, the USA and a hard place, Russia.

We are ok Kikapu. The Coalition has been quite nice to turkey despite it attacking our allies. We are happy to nurture this child and get it out of the naughty corner once it promises to behave itself and do what its told.

We are like responsible parents trying to teach manners here, but since this is Turkey, it might take some time and perseverance.

We got some nice toys for Turkey to play with if it wants to go the Syrian sandpit and play with them all the way to aleppo! But no fighting with the YPG and play nice with them.

Now there there ...

In snub to Turkey, US says Syria’s PYD is not a terror group

http://www.todayszaman.com/latest-news_ ... 11808.html

Looks like Erdogan got the answer he did not want!

I think is about time Erdogan shot down an American Jet to teach them he means business and to show them who rules the Middle East!

[supporttheunderdog]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35521801

Although the article starts by identifying Assad as the bad guy, as you read down, the accusations apply to both sides, including the 'moderates' and certainly all the other Islamic terrorist groups. So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report. But it is not what is said that is so significant but the way it is written and what is not said that is just as significant.

I think what is said is almost certainly true. I read a couple of paragraphs in a report from Syria (can't find it now) and what they were saying, and it does make sense, is that as Assad's Forces take over more and more of the rebel held territory, these rebels are hiding in with the refugees fleeing the fighting and are being pointed out to the SAA by the people they have been terrorising for years.

It would therefore be reasonable to assume that the Army Intelligence guys are not going to offer them a piece of cake, a cup of tea and a comfy chair for a sit down and a cosy chat!!!!!!

The last paragraph recounts the woman who lost her husband and two of her sons to the Assad security people and they died whilst presumably in custody. The reason for their death was obviously a fabrication. But that is all we know! They were obviously Muslim, most likely anti-Assad and maybe very vocal about it. They may also have been strict Muslims, enough to make them join the Jihad and go and fight for the cause. Were they some of these fighters who terrorised civilians? Were they some of those fingered by those same civilians? That we don't know and never will.

To be pragmatic, Syria is a very active war zone and these abuses happen in every war and on all sides. The US, UK, Saudi, Turkey and virtually any country in Africa are all guilty of the same crimes to varying degrees. So I take the report as just a small window into the overall picture and is not JUST an Assad abuse of human rights.

I regard my self as being a fairly calm character and civilised but I have to be honest and say that if I were in the shoes of the Syrian people, I am not sure I could resisit the temptation to 'get-my-own-back' ...... I might even enjoy it!

The BBC is reporting on a UN Report. They even link to that report.

Therefore, they are purely reporting on the facts as handed down by the United Nations and as portrayed by the UN Report.

Here it is: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... RP1_en.pdf

So yes, they are reporting on mass violations of Human Rights and the mass extermination of Prisoners through starvation, non treatment of wounds and medical conditions.

The same report is also highlighting mass Human Rights violations by Al Nusra and DAESH.

Summary
In the Syrian Arab Republic, massive and systematised violence – including the
killing of detainees in official and makeshift detention centres – has taken place out of sight,
far from the battlefield. This paper examines the killing of detainees occurring between 10
March 2011 and 30 November 2015. Its findings are based on 621 interviews, as well as
considerable documentary material.
Detainees held by the Government were beaten to death, or died as a result of injuries
sustained due to torture. Others perished as a consequence of inhuman living conditions. The
Government has committed the crimes against humanity of extermination, murder, rape or
other forms of sexual violence, torture, imprisonment, enforced disappearance and other
inhuman acts. Based on the same conduct, war crimes have also been committed.
Some anti-Government armed groups established makeshift places of detention where
captured Government soldiers were ill treated, and executed. Others were summarily executed
following illicit trials. Some individuals taken hostage have died while held by armed groups.
Jabhat Al-Nusra has set up detention facilities in Idlib where deaths in detention were
documented. The terrorist group also conducted mass executions of captured Government
soldiers. Both Jabhat Al-Nusra and some anti-Government armed groups have committed the
war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, and torture.
ISIS subjected detainees to serious abuses, including torture and summary executions.
Detainees were frequently executed after unauthorised courts issued a death sentence. ISIS has
committed the crimes against humanity of murder and torture, and war crimes.
Accountability for these and other crimes must form part of any political solution. The
situation of detainees is critical, and represents an urgent and large-scale crisis of human rights
protection. Urgent steps must be taken by the Syrian Government, armed groups, external
backers, and the wider international community to prevent further deaths.

When have your sources actually written about the HR and War Crime violations of Assad?

We want Assad out and we are not stopping until we have his head! End of.

I think the beginning of the BBC report was poor journalism in putting the opening section which highlights Assad in Bold without giving some prominence to the comments on the violations by other parties, which are only first raised in Para 3 of the article. If however you read the whole thing it is clear that parties on both sides are committing war crimes/crimes against Humanity. What is of more concern, and which I think justifies some emphasis on the Assad Forces (but not the exclusion of the opposition) is that it may be systematic and if not directed by is at least known by and not stopped (but tacitly approved) at the higher policy making levels of the Assad Regime.

[Paphitis]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35521801

Although the article starts by identifying Assad as the bad guy, as you read down, the accusations apply to both sides, including the 'moderates' and certainly all the other Islamic terrorist groups. So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report. But it is not what is said that is so significant but the way it is written and what is not said that is just as significant.

I think what is said is almost certainly true. I read a couple of paragraphs in a report from Syria (can't find it now) and what they were saying, and it does make sense, is that as Assad's Forces take over more and more of the rebel held territory, these rebels are hiding in with the refugees fleeing the fighting and are being pointed out to the SAA by the people they have been terrorising for years.

It would therefore be reasonable to assume that the Army Intelligence guys are not going to offer them a piece of cake, a cup of tea and a comfy chair for a sit down and a cosy chat!!!!!!

The last paragraph recounts the woman who lost her husband and two of her sons to the Assad security people and they died whilst presumably in custody. The reason for their death was obviously a fabrication. But that is all we know! They were obviously Muslim, most likely anti-Assad and maybe very vocal about it. They may also have been strict Muslims, enough to make them join the Jihad and go and fight for the cause. Were they some of these fighters who terrorised civilians? Were they some of those fingered by those same civilians? That we don't know and never will.

To be pragmatic, Syria is a very active war zone and these abuses happen in every war and on all sides. The US, UK, Saudi, Turkey and virtually any country in Africa are all guilty of the same crimes to varying degrees. So I take the report as just a small window into the overall picture and is not JUST an Assad abuse of human rights.

I regard my self as being a fairly calm character and civilised but I have to be honest and say that if I were in the shoes of the Syrian people, I am not sure I could resisit the temptation to 'get-my-own-back' ...... I might even enjoy it!

The BBC is reporting on a UN Report. They even link to that report.

Therefore, they are purely reporting on the facts as handed down by the United Nations and as portrayed by the UN Report.

Here it is: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... RP1_en.pdf

So yes, they are reporting on mass violations of Human Rights and the mass extermination of Prisoners through starvation, non treatment of wounds and medical conditions.

The same report is also highlighting mass Human Rights violations by Al Nusra and DAESH.

Summary
In the Syrian Arab Republic, massive and systematised violence – including the
killing of detainees in official and makeshift detention centres – has taken place out of sight,
far from the battlefield. This paper examines the killing of detainees occurring between 10
March 2011 and 30 November 2015. Its findings are based on 621 interviews, as well as
considerable documentary material.
Detainees held by the Government were beaten to death, or died as a result of injuries
sustained due to torture. Others perished as a consequence of inhuman living conditions. The
Government has committed the crimes against humanity of extermination, murder, rape or
other forms of sexual violence, torture, imprisonment, enforced disappearance and other
inhuman acts. Based on the same conduct, war crimes have also been committed.
Some anti-Government armed groups established makeshift places of detention where
captured Government soldiers were ill treated, and executed. Others were summarily executed
following illicit trials. Some individuals taken hostage have died while held by armed groups.
Jabhat Al-Nusra has set up detention facilities in Idlib where deaths in detention were
documented. The terrorist group also conducted mass executions of captured Government
soldiers. Both Jabhat Al-Nusra and some anti-Government armed groups have committed the
war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, and torture.
ISIS subjected detainees to serious abuses, including torture and summary executions.
Detainees were frequently executed after unauthorised courts issued a death sentence. ISIS has
committed the crimes against humanity of murder and torture, and war crimes.
Accountability for these and other crimes must form part of any political solution. The
situation of detainees is critical, and represents an urgent and large-scale crisis of human rights
protection. Urgent steps must be taken by the Syrian Government, armed groups, external
backers, and the wider international community to prevent further deaths.

When have your sources actually written about the HR and War Crime violations of Assad?

We want Assad out and we are not stopping until we have his head! End of.

I think the beginning of the BBC report was poor journalism in putting the opening section which highlights Assad in Bold without giving some prominence to the comments on the violations by other parties, which are only first raised in Para 3 of the article. If however you read the whole thing it is clear that parties on both sides are committing war crimes/crimes against Humanity. What is of more concern, and which I think justifies some emphasis on the Assad Forces (but not the exclusion of the opposition) is that it may be systematic and if not directed by is at least known by and not stopped (but tacitly approved) at the higher policy making levels of the Assad Regime.

Have you ever heard of a war that does not have violations from both sides.

However, the UN Report is quite explicitly about the assad Regime, but it does refer to violations from both sides. Fundamentally, it is about the thousands of deaths of Syrian custody.

The Un Report foes on to say:

Applicable Law
7. International human rights law and humanitarian law impose clear obligations on
States and, during war, all parties to non-international conflicts for the treatment and
protection of all persons in their custody. Detainees must be treated humanely and protected
from violence or life-threatening conditions, including from any form of torture or ill
treatment. Medical care and sufficient food are to be provided.

So the UN Report is condemning Syrian (Assad Regime) violations against International Law noting that there are clear obligations to Nation States.

The framework against any violations by Rebels and even DAESH are not clear which is why if you recall the necessity for Quantanamo because the US had no legal framework to detain non -legal combatants (terrorists) under Federal Law.

[supporttheunderdog]

No I have not heard of a war that does not have violations by both sides and sadly in Civil wars they can appear worse than in Wars between nations, and in particular if as here there is a religious element, at least on the part of some, bearing in mind the Assad Regime is mostly from an Alawite Shiite minority group and many of the opposition are from the Sunni majority.

I otherwise agree that the obligations of nation states are very clear.

[Robin Hood]

So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report.

Actually I think you will find it is the Human RIghts report that says

Both government and rebel sides are accused of violence against people they detain, the investigators say, but the vast majority are being held by government agencies.

What I questioned was not the report but the way the BBC presented it i.e. “The Syrian government (Assad?) has carried out a state policy of extermination against thousands of detainees, UN human rights investigators. “

I believe the report is representative of what they were told by detainees who had been released from Government custody. I would however comment that there were remarkably few interviewees who had been released by those covered in the rest of the report. Maybe a case of fewer of them ‘walked away’ and the only way to interview them was through a medium!

Having now read the actual report and their recommendations, I think that what they observe would apply to almost any country involved in conflict ....... including the US, UK, , Russia and without doubt Saudi, none of them have clean hands.

[Paphitis]

So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report.

Actually I think you will find it is the Human RIghts report that says

Both government and rebel sides are accused of violence against people they detain, the investigators say, but the vast majority are being held by government agencies.

What I questioned was not the report but the way the BBC presented it i.e. “The Syrian government (Assad?) has carried out a state policy of extermination against thousands of detainees, UN human rights investigators. “

I believe the report is representative of what they were told by detainees who had been released from Government custody. I would however comment that there were remarkably few interviewees who had been released by those covered in the rest of the report. Maybe a case of fewer of them ‘walked away’ and the only way to interview them was through a medium!

Having now read the actual report and their recommendations, I think that what they observe would apply to almost any country involved in conflict ....... including the US, UK, , Russia and without doubt Saudi, none of them have clean hands.

They got that from the report.

The UN Report mentioned violations from both sides, but was very explicit to decribe of a policy to exterminate thousands of detainees.

Systematic pattern of mass arrests and enforced
disappearance
17. Since March 2011, a countrywide pattern emerged in which civilians, mainly males
above the age of 15, were arbitrarily arrested and detained by the Syrian security and armed
forces or by militia acting on behalf of the Government during mass arrests, house searches,
at checkpoints and in hospitals.
18. Arrests targeted civilians perceived to be either supporting the opposition or
insufficiently loyal to the Government. Residents of opposition-controlled areas, relatives
of suspected members of armed groups, activists, defectors and military personnel
suspected of sympathising with the uprising, and those believed to be providing medical
care to the opposition were arrested with the purpose of obtaining information or as
punishment. Civilians suspected of taking active part in armed hostilities were also
detained. More recently, Government forces engaged in mass arrest campaigns in areas that
they recaptured, as was observed following the truces in Assal Al-Ward (Rif Damascus) in
April 2014 and the city of Homs in May 2014, and after the taking of Yabroud (Rif
Damascus) in March 2014.
19. Those who were kept in the custody of security and armed forces were almost
always denied any means of contacting their families. Some families were first informed
about the death or whereabouts of their relatives from released fellow prisoners. In its
thematic report “Without a trace: enforced disappearances in Syria”, as well as in its
periodic reports, the commission has reported that the crime of enforced disappearance was
Causes of death of detainees in State-controlled facilities
20. In the accounts collected from over 500 survivors of Government detention centres
between March 2011 and November 2015, almost all described having been the victims of
and witnesses to torture and inhuman and degrading treatment. Over 200 former
Government detainees witnessed one or more deaths in custody.
21. Former detainees detailed how cellmates were killed as they were beaten to death
during interrogations and in their cells, or died as a result of severe injuries sustained due to
torture or ill treatment. Others perished as a consequence of inhuman living conditions
inflicted on the prison population, including severe over-crowding, lack of food, and
unclean drinking water. Prisoners were given inadequate or no medical care, and died in
large numbers from preventable conditions such as diarrhoea or other contagious infections
spread in the unhygienic and overcrowded cells.
22. While the overwhelming majority of the victims who perished while detained in
Government-controlled prison facilities were men, the commission has documented cases
of women and children as young as seven years old dying in the custody of State forces.
One of the earliest documented cases of death in detention is that of a 13-year-old boy,
arrested during a protest in Sayda (Dara’a) in late April 2011. His mutilated body was
returned to his family in May 2011. Women, boys and girls, as well as the elderly, have
been subjected to torture and brutal prison conditions and have suffered physical and
mental trauma. They too have been the victims of, as well as witnesses to, deaths in
custody.
Death caused by injuries sustained during torture
23. Across detention facilities, interrogators or prison guards killed detainees,
sometimes in front of fellow prisoners. In early 2014, a detainee at Sednaya prison
(Damascus) was killed after guards entered the cell and subjected him to severe beating,
including kicking to the head and vital organs. Other prisoners present were ordered to face
the wall while the man was heard screaming. The victim was left vomiting blood. A former
cellmate explained how the man asked him to tell his wife and family what happened to
him. “He died. We closed his eyes, wrapped him in a military blanket and read the Quran in
our hearts.”
24. Interrogators and guards employed gruesome methods of torture to kill detainees. In
2014, a detainee held in a centre under the control of the 4th Division of the Syrian army
had his genitals mutilated during torture. Bleeding severely and left without treatment, he
died three days later. A detainee of a Military Security branch in Homs witnessed an elderly
man being severely beaten, and then hung by his wrists from the ceiling. The guards burned
his eyes with a cigarette, and pierced his body with a heated, sharp metal object. After
hanging in the same position for three hours, the man died.
25. Other detainees died as a result of injuries and wounds sustained during torture.
Victims received little or no medical care to treat the wounds and developed severe
infections that eventually led to their demise. In the Air Force Intelligence Branch in
Aleppo, a detainee suffered severely from an infected wound in his leg sustained during
torture. Unable to stand up, he was eventually placed in the corridor outside the cell,
receiving no medical care. After a few days, fellow detainees observed that he was dead.
His family was later able to obtain the body through unofficial channels. Due to marks of
torture and the severe emaciation of his corpse, his family could first only recognise him by
an identifying tag. A 15-year-old boy detained in 2013 by the 4th Division in a detention
facility near Yafour (Rif Damascus) reported seeing several male detainees dying due to
torture and inhuman prison conditions and denial of medical assistance.
Deaths caused by general prison conditions and lack of medical care
26. A large number of deaths were caused by the squalid conditions in which detainees
were kept. Prison conditions were similar across detention facilities. They included severely
overcrowded cells where prisoners were often forced to stand and sleep in shifts, stripped to
their underwear. Lack of clean drinking water, sanitation, lice infestations and other
unhygienic conditions caused the spread of disease and infections. Many prisoners were
forced to use their toilet as a source of drinking water. Others reported how minimal access
to lavatories forced prisoners to relieve themselves inside the cell. Prisoners frequently
suffered from scabies and other skin diseases. In some detention facilities, guards threw
cold water on the floor of cells, forcing detainees to sustain long periods of cold
temperatures, further weakening their resilience to illnesses.
27. Prisoners received minimal rations of food that caused dramatic weight loss,
resulting in deterioration of detainees’ general health condition and reducing their ability to
recover from injuries. Some families who received the bodies of their relatives described
the emaciation of the corpses. Former detainees in some facilities described the food
provided to them as spoiled, causing acute gastro-intestinal illnesses.
28. A high number of prisoners across detention facilities died of severe and continuing
diarrhoea, likely caused by the unhygienic conditions and the inadequate standard of food
in the prisons. The victims would often suffer for months before death occurred.
29. The risks posed to the health and lives of the detainees by the nature of the
environment in which they were held were compounded by often non-existent or
inadequate medical assistance offered, making otherwise treatable conditions fatal. A
detainee in an Air Force Intelligence branch in Mezzeh military airport suffered from
diabetes. Not having his medicine with him in custody, his requests for vital drugs were
ignored by prison guards. The detainee subsequently died. Another prisoner in the same
detention facility had a cardiac condition. Refused medical assistance, he succumbed. His
body bore signs of torture.
30. In Palestine Branch 235 of the Military Intelligence Directorate, high numbers of
detainees died of untreated infections. One prisoner was observed with an infected wound
in his leg, for which he received no medication and eventually died, following days of high
fever. Another prisoner, suffering severe weight loss and an unidentified medical condition
that prevented him from going to the toilet, died in his cell after prison guards ignored
repeated requests for medical assistance. One detainee in the Air Force Intelligence Branch
in Mezzeh military airport was suffering from asthma. He died during an asthma attack
while in a severely overcrowded cell with poor air circulation.
31. Detainees were frequently either ignored or punished with torture when requesting
medical assistance. Some prisoners received limited and mostly inadequate medicine, while
most received no treatment at all. Some severely ill prisoners were transferred to military
hospitals in the Damascus area, including Mezzeh military hospital 601 and Tishreen
military hospital located near Barzah Al-Balad neighbourhood. Prisoners were tortured by

I cut it short there but it goes on and on.

[Robin Hood]

Some interesting views on recent events in Syria .......... that do not go on and on!


After Entering Aleppo With Russia's Help, The Syrian Army May Set Its Sights On Raqqa - By Robert Fisk

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44160.htm


Why Kerry Blames The Opposition For The Continuing Bombing In Syria - By Moon Of Alabama

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44161.htm


Destroy Syria… Get Others to Pay - By Finian Cunningham

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44152.htm

[Paphitis]

Some interesting views on recent events in Syria .......... that do not go on and on!


After Entering Aleppo With Russia's Help, The Syrian Army May Set Its Sights On Raqqa - By Robert Fisk

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44160.htm


Why Kerry Blames The Opposition For The Continuing Bombing In Syria - By Moon Of Alabama

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44161.htm


Destroy Syria… Get Others to Pay - By Finian Cunningham

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44152.htm

I think I will stick to official UN Sources thanks that go on and on and which are credible.