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[Paphitis]

I saw two interesting items today, the first being a Report from Russia that Turkey is building up forces near the Syrian Border, and might be about to invade Syria, the seconf being a Daily Express item which also suggests Turkish Military intervention to smash Isis.

If Turkey were to invade I think it would be more to seize Syrian Territory to prevent it becoming a part of Kurdish Free State than to Eliminate Isis, and I also suspect that Vlady baby would be a bit pissed and might offer to help Assad to kick them out....sparks might fly....

Turkey can't do anything without America's say so.

So in all likelihood, if the Turks are to enter Syria, then some kind of American influence is involved in some way behind the scenes.

Turkey will however be watched closely, because an attack on the YPG is an attack on the SDF which also comprise the FSA.

Turkey has to walk on egg shells.

[miltiades]

" Tim Anderson is a Senior Lecturer in Political Economy at the University of Sydney. He has researched the Syrian conflict since 2011 and visited Syria in December 2013."
"But what do Syrians think, and why do they continue to support a man the western powers have claimed is constantly attacking and terrorising ‘his own people’? To understand this we must consider the huge gap between the western caricature of Bashar al Assad the ‘brutal dictator’ and the popular and urbane figure within Syria."

" The central problem with these portrayals is Bashar’s great popularity at home. The fact that there is popular dissatisfaction with corruption and cronyism, and that an authoritarian state maintains a type of personality cult, does not negate the man’s genuine popularity. His strong win in Syria’s first multi-candidate elections in June dismayed his regional enemies, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey; but it did not stop their aggression."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208

THE WEST GOT IT WRONG. AND SO DID THE ARABIAN PLONKER !

[Paphitis]

" Tim Anderson is a Senior Lecturer in Political Economy at the University of Sydney. He has researched the Syrian conflict since 2011 and visited Syria in December 2013."
"But what do Syrians think, and why do they continue to support a man the western powers have claimed is constantly attacking and terrorising ‘his own people’? To understand this we must consider the huge gap between the western caricature of Bashar al Assad the ‘brutal dictator’ and the popular and urbane figure within Syria."

" The central problem with these portrayals is Bashar’s great popularity at home. The fact that there is popular dissatisfaction with corruption and cronyism, and that an authoritarian state maintains a type of personality cult, does not negate the man’s genuine popularity. His strong win in Syria’s first multi-candidate elections in June dismayed his regional enemies, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey; but it did not stop their aggression."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5405208

THE WEST GOT IT WRONG. AND SO DID THE ARABIAN PLONKER !

Look at this brand new Yanky kit old boy! This is what Assad's forces can look forward to.

[Kikapu]

If and when Turkish troops enter Syria, they will too become "the opposition" to the Syrian Government, therefore, they too will become targets to the Russian Jets. There's nothing NATO can do to prevent the Russians destroying the Turkish Army in Syria. As I have stated before, Turkey's break up is in the plans for the Americans, the Europeans and the Russians. I'm sure the Americans are egging Erdogan on to invade Syria and he is stupid enough to take the bait, just as he took the bait to shoot down a non threatening Russian jet.

If Turkey enters Syria, it will be on America's terms.

Therefore, there will be no attack against Kurdish forces or else.

If they play ball, they will be part of the Coalition and therefore protected and untouchable.

So the only target Turkish soldiers would have in Syria would be the ISIS, the very terrorist group Erdogan has been supporting. Is this what you are telling me? If so, then the Turks will be fighting to support the Assad government, which is exactly what the coalition has been doing all along by fighting ISIS, and at the same time, giving weapons to the so called opposition to fight the Assad forces, which the Russians are wiping the floor with them, so the question to ask is, just who's side are the coalition on, because they are burning the candle from both ends. It is almost like the coalition is betting on black and red at the same time on a roulette table. The only way they will lose is if 0 or 00 comes up!

Turkey did not want to enter Syria with ground troops. America has been pushing Turkey for long time to do just that, in the hopes that Turkey would get a bloody nose or something even worse, and that was way before Russia started destroying Assad's enemies on the ground. I can't see Turkey sending ground troops into Syria, not unless they have a death wish.

By the way, can we stop calling these foreign criminals who are fighting Assad's government forces an "opposition". Such term ONLY belong in a civil political arena where various political parties may have an opposing views to the ruling government's. When the so called opposition is on the field shooting at you, they are no longer a political opposition. They are foreign criminal terrorists fighting the state, and this is what "your" so called coalition is supporting through the backdoor. Doesn't that then make the coalition also guilty by association with these criminal terrorists?

[Robin Hood]

Look at this brand new Yanky kit old boy! This is what Assad's forces can look forward to.

[/quote]

Yes ..... that is the kit that the Turkemen terrorists used to kill a Russian Paramedic when they fired on a rescue helicopter that had gone to recover the second crew member of the SU-24 that the Turkish air force ambushed and shot down. The TAF used information provided by the US that was given to them by the Russians by agreement, to prevent such incidents. Just shows that the US and its allies cannot be trusted and will use anything they can lay their hands on to further 'The Assad must go cause!' And that my friend is why the Syrian people will back Assad if they are allowed a free and fair election.

Let me tell you a story?

This morning I watched three news channels BBC World News, SKYNews and RT. I came to the conclusion it is the way the events are described that creates an impression of events, rather than an impartial conveyance of fact. At least that applied to two of these sources.

The worst distortion came from the BBC! When referring to the 40,000 people fleeing Aleppo the reference made several times was ‘The people are fleeing the Russian air strikes and the Syrian Army’ said not just once but several times and each time the same emphasis. Then they put a 10 year old boy in front of the camera and (according to the translation, as he obviously spoke in Arabic) he accused The Russians, The Syrian Army and of course Assad, as the cause of all the troubles he and his family were suffering.

Then up pops Kerry with another bit of rhetoric to show what evil people these Russians are! Apart from the usual lie laying all the blame on Assad/Russia .......he claimed that it was the Russians and Assad’s people that were the cause of the breakdown in the talks with the ‘moderate’ opposition.

He went on to add; ’These Russian aircraft are bombing and killing many civilians (no doubt ALL women and children!!!!) and then as ‘citizens’ go to the bombed site, to give aid to the victims, the Russian aircraft return and murder the civilian rescuers ..... and then said “THIS HAS TO STOP!” ..... great coming from the representative of the guys that have used that technique in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan etc. on a regular basis for years, using both air attacks and drone attacks and killing hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent civilians. Once again demonstrating the US’s penchant for double standards.

Then SKY News, who gave much the same emphasis to refugees ' ..... fleeing Russian bomber’s and Assad’s troops as they flee for their lives to the safety of Turkey' but at least they didn’t put a 10 year old boy in front of the cameras ..... and I don’t think they used Kelly’s propaganda .... well at least in the early editions any way.

So from BBC and SKY much the same story, and the same accusatory line putting the emphasis on Russia/Assad who they declared was causing all the problems ..... but at least SKY didn’t do the full propaganda scenario, unlike the BBC.

Then I watched RT! Much the same story and pictures of civilians fleeing for the border. But the emphasis they put on the story was that the people were fleeing ‘...... the fighting in Aleppo’ Now I don’t know about you, but I would say that was a neutral description of events. They didn’t say they were fleeing the rebels fighting the Syrian Army and who were being bombed to oblivion by the Russian air force, which of course was pretty obvious anyway.

Then RT showed the destruction inside Aleppo .... it’s bad, like any urban war zone and no doubt there are civilian casualties. None of the people they interviewed made accusations against anybody ..... they just relived the horrors of urban warfare.

Then I looked at a couple of YouTube videos of the residents of the two villages north of Aleppo, that were liberated a few days ago from the ‘moderate’ Islamic fighters that the coalition supports with the sort of arms you posted above ..... and worse! Guess what?

For a people who hate their President and his Army as much as the US coalition says they do, the videos showed civilians WELCOMING the liberating Syrian Army, were overjoyed to see them, patting them on the back, hugging them and the women were ululating(?) (that peculiar noise Arab women make with their tongues as a sign of approval)

Then the stories of what they have endured under ‘moderates’ over the months, even years that they have spent under the control (dominance) of the ‘moderate’ rebels. I’ll tell you what, they are brutes almost as bad as DAESH and have subjected the people to terrible retribution and the beatings, punishment , starving them and selling the aid dropped by both sides, at exorbitant prices and worse......... but, of course this was not shown on Western news outlets and I doubt it will be as it is the antithesis of what the coalition are presenting as the scene on the ground.

According to the coalition it is all about relieving the people from the brutal Assad ...... but in fact, these ‘moderates’ are the very same people that Assad locked away and ‘disappeared’ many and without doubt made their lives hell. Then he made a bad error of judgement and gave in to the demands of the protestors to release the political prisoners, which in the main was exactly what they were. The Western powers then armed them, supported them and encouraged their sympathisers in the Syrian Arab Army to mutiny ....... and from that event the civil war started. The US coalition’s objective always was and still is, regime change, i.e. get rid of Assad, so that they could get their Islamic puppets into power and destroy/break up the secular Syrian State. Events were in line with the US’s main objective, illegal regime change. The US and the coalition escalated the civil war by arming and protecting the Islamic ‘moderates! Moderates my arse!!!!!!

That is why the US does not want Assad to stand in a free and fair election because it is the US/Coalitions ‘moderates’ the Syrian people fear far, far, more than Assad. The US’s Assad story is mainly distortion of facts, if not downright lies and promulgated by the West to achieve their goal of Regime change.

That is why, with the help of the Russians and a free and fair UN overseen election, Assad will be overwhelmingly voted for as the chosen leader of the Syrian people and the ‘moderate Islamists’ and DAESH as a military force, at least in Syria will be annihilated. Then many of the refugees will return to rebuild Syria ...... but going by their performance so far they should not hold their breath waiting for reparations from the USA!

Peace Talks “Paused” After Putin’s Triumph in Aleppo

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44150.htm


The Liberation of Aleppo from NATO-backed Terrorists

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-liberation-of-aleppo-from-nato-backed-terrorists/5506037

[Paphitis]

If and when Turkish troops enter Syria, they will too become "the opposition" to the Syrian Government, therefore, they too will become targets to the Russian Jets. There's nothing NATO can do to prevent the Russians destroying the Turkish Army in Syria. As I have stated before, Turkey's break up is in the plans for the Americans, the Europeans and the Russians. I'm sure the Americans are egging Erdogan on to invade Syria and he is stupid enough to take the bait, just as he took the bait to shoot down a non threatening Russian jet.

If Turkey enters Syria, it will be on America's terms.

Therefore, there will be no attack against Kurdish forces or else.

If they play ball, they will be part of the Coalition and therefore protected and untouchable.

So the only target Turkish soldiers would have in Syria would be the ISIS, the very terrorist group Erdogan has been supporting. Is this what you are telling me? If so, then the Turks will be fighting to support the Assad government, which is exactly what the coalition has been doing all along by fighting ISIS, and at the same time, giving weapons to the so called opposition to fight the Assad forces, which the Russians are wiping the floor with them, so the question to ask is, just who's side are the coalition on, because they are burning the candle from both ends. It is almost like the coalition is betting on black and red at the same time on a roulette table. The only way they will lose is if 0 or 00 comes up!

Turkey did not want to enter Syria with ground troops. America has been pushing Turkey for long time to do just that, in the hopes that Turkey would get a bloody nose or something even worse, and that was way before Russia started destroying Assad's enemies on the ground. I can't see Turkey sending ground troops into Syria, not unless they have a death wish.

By the way, can we stop calling these foreign criminals who are fighting Assad's government forces an "opposition". Such term ONLY belong in a civil political arena where various political parties may have an opposing views to the ruling government's. When the so called opposition is on the field shooting at you, they are no longer a political opposition. They are foreign criminal terrorists fighting the state, and this is what "your" so called coalition is supporting through the backdoor. Doesn't that then make the coalition also guilty by association with these criminal terrorists?

The Coalition is on the Syrian Democratic Forces side - basically FSA, Kurdish YPG, Kurdish YPG (Women's Brigade), Al-sinadid Forces, Syriac Military Council, Euprates Volcano, Al-tahris brigade, Seljuk Brigade, Brigade Groups of Al-jazira, Liwai 99 Musat.

The above are our allies and they are putting up a very brave fight.

The Coalition has been trying to get Turkey to enter Syria for a long time. We eventually convinced them, but they bombed the YPG and YPJ. Then they were put in their place, and told that any attack on the Kurds is basically an attack against our allies. They were forbidden in effect from any action that is counterproductive to our cause. The Kurds are untouchable and a protected species. So protected, that the Coalition even deployed troops into their areas which had witnessed the Turkish attacks.

Turkey is able to join the coalition and join the fight against ISIL. However, what we want is for them to send troops and enter Alepo so that the can coordinate with the SDF. They can also secure a bridge-head along major arteries to Turkey and through Kurdish Controlled areas so that we can send truck loads of fuel, medicine, food, blankets, and of course Missiles, guns, RPGs, Night Vision Goggles, Armour, helmets, boots, uniforms etc etc all under the supervision and control of the Turkish Troops. In effect, they will cooperate and with the Kurds or else - we might consider throwing them under the bus.

[Paphitis]

Yes ..... that is the kit that the Turkemen terrorists used to kill a Russian Paramedic when they fired on a rescue helicopter that had gone to recover the second crew member of the SU-24 that the Turkish air force ambushed and shot down. The TAF used information provided by the US that was given to them by the Russians by agreement, to prevent such incidents. Just shows that the US and its allies cannot be trusted and will use anything they can lay their hands on to further 'The Assad must go cause!' And that my friend is why the Syrian people will back Assad if they are allowed a free and fair election.

Bloody hell those Turkmen are so brave. They remind me of the YPG and my fave the YPJ.

We need to supply these guys with American arms as well. They are doing a terrific job.

Let me tell you a story?

Oh oh! Has Miltiades hijacked your account?

This morning I watched three news channels BBC World News, SKYNews and RT. I came to the conclusion it is the way the events are described that creates an impression of events, rather than an impartial conveyance of fact. At least that applied to two of these sources.

So? I think we all know how the media works.

But you also under-estimate the power of non MSM sources. You asked me where I get my sources. Facebook, Twiiter is extremely powerful. I subscribe to a lot of information from Think Tanks, Academics, ex-Military, the Syriac Council and even the political arms of the rebels themselves in Syria which are fantastic because they are active, well organised and post regular updates from the front lines, including videos, photos which also include footage of Coalition Air Raids in the area, and information about Syrian Troop movements and so forth. They also post a lot of information about the siege against their strongholds and the suffering of the civilians. Yes they are biased but I hold these sources in very high regard.

The worst distortion came from the BBC! When referring to the 40,000 people fleeing Aleppo the reference made several times was ‘The people are fleeing the Russian air strikes and the Syrian Army’ said not just once but several times and each time the same emphasis. Then they put a 10 year old boy in front of the camera and (according to the translation, as he obviously spoke in Arabic) he accused The Russians, The Syrian Army and of course Assad, as the cause of all the troubles he and his family were suffering.

I can't comment about any distortion. Pootin is the master of it with his State owned and manipulated media and the corrupted Syrian Media.

Yes, there is a lot of suffering of the Syrian People due to the Russian attacks on hospitals, and civilian areas. Our propaganda machine is not as good as the Russian's because our media is free and can't be as controlled. The BBC will look for its headlines even if those headlines are not good for the Coalition.

Then up pops Kerry with another bit of rhetoric to show what evil people these Russians are! Apart from the usual lie laying all the blame on Assad/Russia .......he claimed that it was the Russians and Assad’s people that were the cause of the breakdown in the talks with the ‘moderate’ opposition.

It was a great bit of maneuvering by the SDF who were considering not turning up. We told them to turn up at least and withdraw after that if the Russians and Syrians don't allow aid through and stop the bombardment against civilians.

He went on to add; ’These Russian aircraft are bombing and killing many civilians (no doubt ALL women and children!!!!) and then as ‘citizens’ go to the bombed site, to give aid to the victims, the Russian aircraft return and murder the civilian rescuers ..... and then said “THIS HAS TO STOP!” ..... great coming from the representative of the guys that have used that technique in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan etc. on a regular basis for years, using both air attacks and drone attacks and killing hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent civilians. Once again demonstrating the US’s penchant for double standards.

Absolutely! I agree with that too. The information is all over the net.

The Russians and Syrians are indeed bombing civilian areas. It is true.

Then SKY News, who gave much the same emphasis to refugees ' ..... fleeing Russian bomber’s and Assad’s troops as they flee for their lives to the safety of Turkey' but at least they didn’t put a 10 year old boy in front of the cameras ..... and I don’t think they used Kelly’s propaganda .... well at least in the early editions any way.

The fact is, refugees are fleeing for their lives.

So from BBC and SKY much the same story, and the same accusatory line putting the emphasis on Russia/Assad who they declared was causing all the problems ..... but at least SKY didn’t do the full propaganda scenario, unlike the BBC.

They are not wrong. Why concern yourself with embellishing words. Fact is refugees are fleeing for their lives hence why there are already 4 million refugees from Syria.

Then I watched RT! Much the same story and pictures of civilians fleeing for the border. But the emphasis they put on the story was that the people were fleeing ‘...... the fighting in Aleppo’ Now I don’t know about you, but I would say that was a neutral description of events. They didn’t say they were fleeing the rebels fighting the Syrian Army and who were being bombed to oblivion by the Russian air force, which of course was pretty obvious anyway.

Oh yes, so then you watched the Pootin propaganda machine. Congratulations RH!

Then RT showed the destruction inside Aleppo .... it’s bad, like any urban war zone and no doubt there are civilian casualties. None of the people they interviewed made accusations against anybody ..... they just relived the horrors of urban warfare.

Aleppo has been under siege for a very long time. Yes the Syrians have been dropping Barrel Bombs onto Aleppo every day. You can watch videos of the carnage.

Then I looked at a couple of YouTube videos of the residents of the two villages north of Aleppo, that were liberated a few days ago from the ‘moderate’ Islamic fighters that the coalition supports with the sort of arms you posted above ..... and worse! Guess what?

That's great. There are hundreds of sources (all non-MSM) from the ground inside of Aleppo. Watch these.

Facebook is the most powerful media tool on the planet.

For a people who hate their President and his Army as much as the US coalition says they do, the videos showed civilians WELCOMING the liberating Syrian Army, were overjoyed to see them, patting them on the back, hugging them and the women were ululating(?) (that peculiar noise Arab women make with their tongues as a sign of approval)

Of course they did, and the footage was from Alawite areas inside Damascus. Yes we know. Watching these videos is like watching Hitler's Black and White news reels from the Russian Front.

Then the stories of what they have endured under ‘moderates’ over the months, even years that they have spent under the control (dominance) of the ‘moderate’ rebels. I’ll tell you what, they are brutes almost as bad as DAESH and have subjected the people to terrible retribution and the beatings, punishment , starving them and selling the aid dropped by both sides, at exorbitant prices and worse......... but, of course this was not shown on Western news outlets and I doubt it will be as it is the antithesis of what the coalition are presenting as the scene on the ground.

All scripted and choreographed I am sure.

According to the coalition it is all about relieving the people from the brutal Assad ...... but in fact, these ‘moderates’ are the very same people that Assad locked away and ‘disappeared’ many and without doubt made their lives hell. Then he made a bad error of judgement and gave in to the demands of the protestors to release the political prisoners, which in the main was exactly what they were. The Western powers then armed them, supported them and encouraged their sympathisers in the Syrian Arab Army to mutiny ....... and from that event the civil war started. The US coalition’s objective always was and still is, regime change, i.e. get rid of Assad, so that they could get their Islamic puppets into power and destroy/break up the secular Syrian State. Events were in line with the US’s main objective, illegal regime change. The US and the coalition escalated the civil war by arming and protecting the Islamic ‘moderates! Moderates my arse!!!!!!

Most of the prisoners joined ISIL. And I wonder why he did that.

That is why the US does not want Assad to stand in a free and fair election because it is the US/Coalitions ‘moderates’ the Syrian people fear far, far, more than Assad. The US’s Assad story is mainly distortion of facts, if not downright lies and promulgated by the West to achieve their goal of Regime change.

Oh sure we do! We will take those free and open elections under UN Auspices thanks, but not under the Assad Regime.

How about putting that onto the table? That is acceptable to the Coalition as transition will be achieved.

That is why, with the help of the Russians and a free and fair UN overseen election, Assad will be overwhelmingly voted for as the chosen leader of the Syrian people and the ‘moderate Islamists’ and DAESH as a military force, at least in Syria will be annihilated. Then many of the refugees will return to rebuild Syria ...... but going by their performance so far they should not hold their breath waiting for reparations from the USA!

Not in a free and open election where all Syrians are allowed to vote in a multi party election.

Peace Talks “Paused” After Putin’s Triumph in Aleppo

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44150.htm


The Liberation of Aleppo from NATO-backed Terrorists

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-liberation-of-aleppo-from-nato-backed-terrorists/5506037

Peace talks were always going to break down unless our pre-conditions were met.

The Russians actually agreed with our position which is some confirmation by the Russians that we will not be able to continue under the current conditions. These words came from Lavrov. So in effect, even the Russians understood and expected the collapse of the talks from our side.

Our conditions were nothing more than:

1) allowing aid into the rebel strongholds, and
2) a complete ceasefire from further attacks.

These were our conditions.

You can't expect peace talks under any other circumstances and our Rebels will bunker down and fight.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Facebook, Twitter, Think Tanks, Academics, ex-Military, the Syriac Council the rebels in Syria ....... The Beano, The Dandy and even the Eagle?????

Well, with that sort of reliable information available we obviously don’t need the CIA or MI6 we can just count the number of ‘Likes’ and make military decisions based on the consensus of opinion of a bunch of unidentified ‘Twitt’s’! I am more selective, I at least check their credentials first!

They also post a lot of information about the siege against their strongholds and the suffering of the civilians. Yes they are biased but I hold these sources in very high regard.

Did they tell you all about the atrocities and the fear they impart on the civilian population? That is why the population is so relieved to see the back of them ......... and their backers no doubt!

Use your eyes, ears and brain and come to a reasoned conclusion based on just fact.

Look at the pictures on TV of the fleeing refugees. I see no signs of trauma or distress except a few crying kids ..... but all kids cry ..... I’ll bet they are saying ‘Are we there yet!’. There is no panic just what looks almost like family groups out for a Sunday (Friday) afternoon stroll. No medics giving attention to bloodied people ......... in fact not even any bloodied people. Why so calm? Because as the SAA moves into each block/area they are guiding these people away from areas to avoid civilian casualties when they bomb the 'moderates', whilst they keep the them in their rat holes.

Now go back to known events in the past ..........

Go back a few decades to Vietnam. A bunch of untrained, ill equipped peasant farmers defeated the World’s most powerful and sophisticated military! How? One word ..... TUNNELS! They gave them the ability to evade their enemy by concealment.

Move on a few years to Afghanistan. A bunch of illiterate rag head Islamic fanatics have survived decades of attacks by the World’s most powerful and sophisticated military and are still undefeated! Why? Concealment .......... like the Vietcong they can just melt away into the population and avoid confrontation with an overwhelmingly military superior enemy.

Again , move on a bit to Gaza. A bunch of poorly armed but fanatical freedom fighters still inflict wounds on their occupiers, in spite of them being as well armed as the Worlds most powerful military. What do the Israeli’s do? They drop bombs, big bombs and missiles on the civilian population with complete impunity and without regard for civilian casualties. Why? To destroy the tunnels, because the tunnels give the Palestinian freedom fighters the means of concealment to launch covert attacks on their occupiers and then just melt back into the population.

Common sense says ............. CONCEALMENT!

From what I have read from various sources and video I have watched both from the TV and YouTube etc. I will tell you what I believe has happened in Aleppo and is continuing, just by using common sense to assess the information available.

The US coalitions moderate rebels seized Aleppo by force, almost four years ago and the first thing they did was to start digging tunnels ......... miles of them. Then, when they engaged with the SAA they fire a few rounds off and the odd RPG and then melt away into the tunnels, like the vermin they are. In the building above are the civilians they use as human shields. If these trapped civilians try to leave and flee for their safety they are shot or, if they make the break successfully, the ‘moderate’ rebels take out reprisals on those left.

Whist you have been mocking the lack of progress by the SAA, they have in fact been working to a well structured plan (Russian?) I first heard about in Eastern Ukraine. The first thing they do is to destroy the rebels supply lines. This of course also affects the civilian population as there is less food and water and what there is, is controlled by the ‘moderate’ rebels. But it reduces the supply of new foreign recruits, weapons and ammunition supplied by the US and other coalition forces. Their ability to attack the SAA has been degraded primarily to one of defence.

Now the SAA isolates them in pockets and attacks strategic targets to further reduce their capability, arms dumps, fuel dumps, command centres and other storage facilities. When the ‘moderates’ pop up from underground they are met with a hail of gunfire, so they do what all cowards do, they disappear down their rat holes, to save their own miserable skins. But they then either blow up or booby trap the tunnels to make the job of the SAA even more difficult than a conventional house-to-house urban war.

Then the SAA get the civilians out of the buildings and send them through safe corridors to the border whilst protecting them from the ‘moderates’ by keeping the rats in their tunnels.

Then they call in the Russian Air Force and the SAF and drop big bombs to destroy the tunnels and squeeze the ‘moderates’ into a cauldron, where they can be contained. But this cauldron still has civilians entrapped. So the SAA repeat the process and so on, until they have released as many civilians as possible and the 'moderates'have no way out.

When they sealed the perimeter of the outer cauldron around Aleppo the ‘moderates’ and people like Kerry and the US Govt. knew their protégés were finished and Kerry hastily convened ‘peace’ talks ...... which were nothing of the sort but merely intended to allow the ‘moderates’ to escape the cauldron. Of course Russia agreed with having talks but they have made it very clear from day one that they will continue, no matter what, to destroy the rebels whether that is DAESH or the imaginary 'moderate' rebels ..... all of them.

So Kerry's delaying tactic failed in a humiliating walk out by the rebels because, as you pointed out, they didn’t get what they wanted. The US coalition has nothing left to negotiate with!

Go Putin .......

[Robin Hood]

P.S.

Note! Even the DM’s Peter Osborne says the people regard the FSA and the ‘moderates’ Islamists as the enemy, have made life a living hell and they are desperately waiting for Assad’s forces to rescue them and throw the US coalition’s good guys out. As I said previously, the true stories of the Syrian peoples suffering under the FSA and their partners, is now coming out into the open.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436456/Inside-city-damned-human-tide-flees-Aleppo-Europe-PETER-OBORNE-sends-devastating-dispatch-war-torn-Syrian-city.html

[Paphitis]

Facebook, Twitter, Think Tanks, Academics, ex-Military, the Syriac Council the rebels in Syria ....... The Beano, The Dandy and even the Eagle?????

Well, with that sort of reliable information available we obviously don’t need the CIA or MI6 we can just count the number of ‘Likes’ and make military decisions based on the consensus of opinion of a bunch of unidentified ‘Twitt’s’! I am more selective, I at least check their credentials first!

Well guess what RH. Yes the journalism is reliable. A true depiction of life behind the front lines in Raqqa, and Aleppo. From Raqqa, the information is still being leaked from Civilians often from rudimentary smart phone cameras and so forth but it is getting out and posted on social media on a number of pages and often at enormous risks to those who engage in these vital intelligence gathering pieces.

One of the sources I give great cred to is Vice News. definitely not MSM. The journalist I follow closely is actually a Greek (might be a Cypriot, has a strong English Accent so he grew up in the UK and was educated there). As far as I am concerned, the quality material he churns is top quality and he deserves a Pullitzer for his documentary making. He is also very young, has nerves of steel and is very brave.

He goes where no other media dare to go. I actually messaged him once out of concern for his safety and he did reply to me. I didn't want to see him on the next ISIL YouTube.

But he has gone behind the lines, interviewed the FSA, spoken to their leaders, gone into the bombed out hospitals and interviewed the Doctors and Nurses there, some of which are volunteers from Western Countries, and even worn a bullet proof vest and run the gauntlet under fire from Syrian Forces and even showed us how the ground shook when the Syrians dropped a Barrel Bomb nearby. He sat, drank with the FSA and talked about Nicole Kidman as children were playing through the ruins. There was no Jihad, and in his latest piece, the FSA District Commander told him we are no longer FSA. We are the SDF. We are Sunni Muslims, Turkmen, Assyrian, Kurdish and we also have Coptic Christian, and Yazidi. And they are indeed on the SDF and all these ethnicities and groups have sent their delegates to the Peace Summit and all of them walked out together.

He also went behind the lines with Al Nusra, who are Jihadist and an affiliate to Al-Qaeda. DAESH is the only place he dare not go.

They also post a lot of information about the siege against their strongholds and the suffering of the civilians. Yes they are biased but I hold these sources in very high regard.

Did they tell you all about the atrocities and the fear they impart on the civilian population? That is why the population is so relieved to see the back of them ......... and their backers no doubt!

Yes well the fear is certainly present. The civilians fear Syrian and Russian attack every day.

They do not have any fear from the FSA who are doing their best to run hospitals, schools, and distribute any aid they get from the Coalition. They have even set up their own police force in Aleppo. The Vices news journalist I mentioned above even went on patrol with a police unit in Aleppo.

Use your eyes, ears and brain and come to a reasoned conclusion based on just fact.

Sure, but whilst you stick to the Daily Mail, I will keep looking at Vice news and the Syriac Council and click like on Facebook. Fair enough?

Look at the pictures on TV of the fleeing refugees. I see no signs of trauma or distress except a few crying kids ..... but all kids cry ..... I’ll bet they are saying ‘Are we there yet!’. There is no panic just what looks almost like family groups out for a Sunday (Friday) afternoon stroll. No medics giving attention to bloodied people ......... in fact not even any bloodied people. Why so calm? Because as the SAA moves into each block/area they are guiding these people away from areas to avoid civilian casualties when they bomb the 'moderates', whilst they keep the them in their rat holes.

Go and interview the refugees and ask them who it is they are running from. The vast majority are running from Assad, then DAESH second. Never heard anyone say they are running from the FSA, YPG or YPJ.

Now go back to known events in the past ..........

Yes, go back to the beginning, and look at who started this and WHY!

Go back a few decades to Vietnam. A bunch of untrained, ill equipped peasant farmers defeated the World’s most powerful and sophisticated military! How? One word ..... TUNNELS! They gave them the ability to evade their enemy by concealment.

Oh hear we go now! What does Vietnam have to do with this? We are now in 2016.

The FSA are not so badly equipped anymore. Gone are the days they had their trusty AK47. Now they are carrying Javelin and TOW SSM. Even seen them get fitted out and issued with US Army camos, boots, vests, and helmets.

Move on a few years to Afghanistan. A bunch of illiterate rag head Islamic fanatics have survived decades of attacks by the World’s most powerful and sophisticated military and are still undefeated! Why? Concealment .......... like the Vietcong they can just melt away into the population and avoid confrontation with an overwhelmingly military superior enemy.

What a great success Afghanistan has proven to be. The Taliban are gone and the Afghans are now listening to music. Great stuff!

Again , move on a bit to Gaza. A bunch of poorly armed but fanatical freedom fighters still inflict wounds on their occupiers, in spite of them being as well armed as the Worlds most powerful military. What do the Israeli’s do? They drop bombs, big bombs and missiles on the civilian population with complete impunity and without regard for civilian casualties. Why? To destroy the tunnels, because the tunnels give the Palestinian freedom fighters the means of concealment to launch covert attacks on their occupiers and then just melt back into the population.

Common sense says ............. CONCEALMENT!

Well you know. it takes 2 to tango, and Hamas was regularly launching rockets into nearby Israeli towns.

From what I have read from various sources and video I have watched both from the TV and YouTube etc. I will tell you what I believe has happened in Aleppo and is continuing, just by using common sense to assess the information available.

Did you hit the like button too?

The US coalitions moderate rebels seized Aleppo by force, almost four years ago and the first thing they did was to start digging tunnels ......... miles of them. Then, when they engaged with the SAA they fire a few rounds off and the odd RPG and then melt away into the tunnels, like the vermin they are. In the building above are the civilians they use as human shields. If these trapped civilians try to leave and flee for their safety they are shot or, if they make the break successfully, the ‘moderate’ rebels take out reprisals on those left.

Just like the old EOKA days. Yes well, they are fighting a regular army.

But now, they have their American kit and are better armed than the Syrians, so they can afford to come out of their tunnels and blow the Syrian tanks to smithereens.

Whist you have been mocking the lack of progress by the SAA, they have in fact been working to a well structured plan (Russian?) I first heard about in Eastern Ukraine. The first thing they do is to destroy the rebels supply lines. This of course also affects the civilian population as there is less food and water and what there is, is controlled by the ‘moderate’ rebels. But it reduces the supply of new foreign recruits, weapons and ammunition supplied by the US and other coalition forces. Their ability to attack the SAA has been degraded primarily to one of defence.

Will the Syrians bring their tanks? The Rebels have a Javelin and a TOW for each one ready to go!

Now the SAA isolates them in pockets and attacks strategic targets to further reduce their capability, arms dumps, fuel dumps, command centres and other storage facilities. When the ‘moderates’ pop up from underground they are met with a hail of gunfire, so they do what all cowards do, they disappear down their rat holes, to save their own miserable skins. But they then either blow up or booby trap the tunnels to make the job of the SAA even more difficult than a conventional house-to-house urban war.

The SSAA will be in for a big shock. Whenever they attack those so called strategic targets, no one is home. They are all underground. they know the area, and the SSAA will have to go door to door. Good luck with that!

Then, they come up with their Javelins and go underground again, after the take out a few tanks. Come, and see what happens.

Then the SAA get the civilians out of the buildings and send them through safe corridors to the border whilst protecting them from the ‘moderates’ by keeping the rats in their tunnels.

Nonsense. The FSA allow civilians and children in the tunnels and even have bomb shelters.

Then they call in the Russian Air Force and the SAF and drop big bombs to destroy the tunnels and squeeze the ‘moderates’ into a cauldron, where they can be contained. But this cauldron still has civilians entrapped. So the SAA repeat the process and so on, until they have released as many civilians as possible and the 'moderates'have no way out.

Again, no one is home.

Destroy the tunnels? Do you guys even know where they are? No you don't.

When they sealed the perimeter of the outer cauldron around Aleppo the ‘moderates’ and people like Kerry and the US Govt. knew their protégés were finished and Kerry hastily convened ‘peace’ talks ...... which were nothing of the sort but merely intended to allow the ‘moderates’ to escape the cauldron. Of course Russia agreed with having talks but they have made it very clear from day one that they will continue, no matter what, to destroy the rebels whether that is DAESH or the imaginary 'moderate' rebels ..... all of them.

Oh dear RH. Where did you get this from? The DM, Smirnoff and RT? did they have a LIKE button?

So Kerry's delaying tactic failed in a humiliating walk out by the rebels because, as you pointed out, they didn’t get what they wanted. The US coalition has nothing left to negotiate with!

Go Putin .......

Yes all they wanted was a ceasefire and aid.

They walked out alright, and Pootin has been blamed for the collapse.

And you might want to ask WHO walked out! The Sunnis, Kurds, Assyrians, Turkmen and Christians (yes Christians - so much for your Jihadist propaganda) in unison!

Face it! The SDF is ALL Syrians against the repressive and criminal Alawi Regime of Assad.

Because of this, ASSAD HAS LOST THE WAR and is just buying himself time!