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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:00 am

Maximus wrote:How can they prove they are eligible to vote if they don't have any ID?

Many of them fled Syria with nothing to prove they are Syrian.


Those with paperwork can prove it. Those that don't will be in trouble as is always the case.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:02 am

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And no the rebels will not just down their arms. Why would they? So they can be a pleb on the fringes with no vote and no future and probably no life because they would be extinguished?


They should down their arms so their is a ceasefire, so they can hold elections.

What are you suggesting otherwise, the conflict continues and hold elections in parallel? That doesn't work, it kind of defeats the purpose of democracy. Then what, if they don't get the vote they want they continue fighting? :?
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:04 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
And no the rebels will not just down their arms. Why would they? So they can be a pleb on the fringes with no vote and no future and probably no life because they would be extinguished?


They should down their arms so their is a ceasefire, so they can hold elections.

What are you suggesting otherwise, the conflict continues and hold elections in parallel? That doesn't work, it kind of defeats the purpose of democracy. Then what, if they don't get the vote they want they continue fighting? :?



No that is not how it works sonny.

They won't down their arms until there is progress and they got their reps in Parliament. They don't have a suicide wish.

Yes the rebels to maintain their positions until they get a solid outcome.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:04 am

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Maximus wrote:How can they prove they are eligible to vote if they don't have any ID?

Many of them fled Syria with nothing to prove they are Syrian.


Those with paperwork can prove it. Those that don't will be in trouble as is always the case.


That is my point, not everyone will have the opportunity to vote. I think its something like 20% of Syrians out of the country.

what if those people are rebel loyalists? It kind of dilutes the coalitions position by having elections doesn't it.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:05 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
And no the rebels will not just down their arms. Why would they? So they can be a pleb on the fringes with no vote and no future and probably no life because they would be extinguished?


They should down their arms so their is a ceasefire, so they can hold elections.

What are you suggesting otherwise, the conflict continues and hold elections in parallel? That doesn't work, it kind of defeats the purpose of democracy. Then what, if they don't get the vote they want they continue fighting? :?



No that is not how it works sonny.

They won't down their arms until there is progress and they got their reps in Parliament. They don't have a suicide wish.

Yes the rebels to maintain their positions until they get a solid outcome.


No, that is exactly how it works.

There has to be a ceasefire first, then fair elections.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:11 am

Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:How can they prove they are eligible to vote if they don't have any ID?

Many of them fled Syria with nothing to prove they are Syrian.


Those with paperwork can prove it. Those that don't will be in trouble as is always the case.


That is my point, not everyone will have the opportunity to vote. I think its something like 20% of Syrians out of the country.

what if those people are rebel loyalists? It kind of dilutes the coalitions position by having elections doesn't it.


Millions will have an opportunity they never had before.

Further to this, those marginalized and without papers will need to be provided with an opportunity to register.

Just because Assad never recognize them or issued them with a Birth Certificate does not mean they don't exist.

This is the only way we would accept elections.

Otherwise we would accept a transition to a caretaker Administration or composition Government which involves all factions not just the Alawites. In the meantime, the war against ISIL and Al Nusra will continue until the job is finished even after the comprehensive settlement.

The key here is that the Sunnis and everyone else is involved, otherwise the war will sadly go on and we all know it. The days of Assad are over.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:13 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
And no the rebels will not just down their arms. Why would they? So they can be a pleb on the fringes with no vote and no future and probably no life because they would be extinguished?


They should down their arms so their is a ceasefire, so they can hold elections.

What are you suggesting otherwise, the conflict continues and hold elections in parallel? That doesn't work, it kind of defeats the purpose of democracy. Then what, if they don't get the vote they want they continue fighting? :?



No that is not how it works sonny.

They won't down their arms until there is progress and they got their reps in Parliament. They don't have a suicide wish.

Yes the rebels to maintain their positions until they get a solid outcome.


No, that is exactly how it works.

There has to be a ceasefire first, then fair elections.


You can have a ceasefire, but the rebels get to maintain their positions and their arms. The ceasefire will have an expiry so if there is no progress is back on.

It also means they can regroup and get more arms and strengthen their defences.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:15 am

Its not me that can have a ceasefire, this is what should happen between the rivaling groups in Syria so that elections can proceed.

What if Assad wins? will the rebels accept it? Will the coalition accept it?
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:33 am

Maximus wrote:Its not me that can have a ceasefire, this is what should happen between the rivaling groups in Syria so that elections can proceed.

What if Assad wins? will the rebels accept it? Will the coalition accept it?


It's not hapenning because Assad seems to think that a ceasefire is the surrender of the FSA and that the Syrian Security Forces can just roll in and reclaim the territory.

That is not a ceasefire but a surrender.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:48 am

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Maximus wrote:Its not me that can have a ceasefire, this is what should happen between the rivaling groups in Syria so that elections can proceed.

What if Assad wins? will the rebels accept it? Will the coalition accept it?


It's not hapenning because Assad seems to think that a ceasefire is the surrender of the FSA and that the Syrian Security Forces can just roll in and reclaim the territory.

That is not a ceasefire but a surrender.


This is what you think, its not what Assad thinks and its not what I asked either.

Ceasefire then fair and free elections.

What if Assad wins? will the rebels accept it? Will the coalition accept it?
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