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[kimon07]

In Big Blow, Rebel Forces Split in Syria
Alliance Among Islamists Complicates U.S. Plans

By Hannah Allam, Jonathan S. Landay And Mitchell Prothero
McClatchy Washington Bureau
Thursday, September 26, 2013
(Published in print: Thursday, September 26, 2013)

United Nations — Some of Syria’s most effective rebel forces, including at least three that previously were aligned with the U.S.-backed rebel command, have formed a new alliance with an al-Qaida affiliate, a development that undermines Obama administration efforts to build up Syria’s moderate opposition and to plan negotiations for an end to the civil war.

About a dozen fighting groups announced the new confederation late Tuesday in a move that caught U.S. officials by surprise.

The groups include Jabhat al Nusra, which the Obama administration has designated a terrorist organization linked to al-Qaida, as well as Liwa al Tawheed, Liwa al Islam and Suqor al Sham, which were considered part of the U.S.-backed Supreme Military Command.

The defection to the new alliance of those groups was a particularly heavy blow to the Supreme Military Command and its Free Syrian Army because they were its biggest fighting groups, analysts said.

“These are the heavy lifters in the FSA and now they’re sitting down signing agreements with Nusra,” said Joshua Landis, the director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma and the author of the blog Syria Comment.

In announcing their new confederation, the groups called for the imposition of Islamic law after the fall of Syrian President Bashar Assad and specifically rejected the Syrian Opposition Coalition, the civilian group headquartered in Turkey that the Obama administration has promoted as an alternative to Assad.

Referring to themselves as the Islamist Coalition, the group’s “Communique Number 1” said that the U.S.-backed opposition coalition “does not represent us nor do we recognize it.”

http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/ ... t-in-syria

And now what? The USA will ask permission from the UN to bomb them?

Allahu Akbar!!

[miltiades]

In Big Blow, Rebel Forces Split in Syria
Alliance Among Islamists Complicates U.S. Plans

By Hannah Allam, Jonathan S. Landay And Mitchell Prothero
McClatchy Washington Bureau
Thursday, September 26, 2013
(Published in print: Thursday, September 26, 2013)

United Nations — Some of Syria’s most effective rebel forces, including at least three that previously were aligned with the U.S.-backed rebel command, have formed a new alliance with an al-Qaida affiliate, a development that undermines Obama administration efforts to build up Syria’s moderate opposition and to plan negotiations for an end to the civil war.

About a dozen fighting groups announced the new confederation late Tuesday in a move that caught U.S. officials by surprise.

The groups include Jabhat al Nusra, which the Obama administration has designated a terrorist organization linked to al-Qaida, as well as Liwa al Tawheed, Liwa al Islam and Suqor al Sham, which were considered part of the U.S.-backed Supreme Military Command.

The defection to the new alliance of those groups was a particularly heavy blow to the Supreme Military Command and its Free Syrian Army because they were its biggest fighting groups, analysts said.

“These are the heavy lifters in the FSA and now they’re sitting down signing agreements with Nusra,” said Joshua Landis, the director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma and the author of the blog Syria Comment.

In announcing their new confederation, the groups called for the imposition of Islamic law after the fall of Syrian President Bashar Assad and specifically rejected the Syrian Opposition Coalition, the civilian group headquartered in Turkey that the Obama administration has promoted as an alternative to Assad.

Referring to themselves as the Islamist Coalition, the group’s “Communique Number 1” said that the U.S.-backed opposition coalition “does not represent us nor do we recognize it.”

http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/ ... t-in-syria

And now what? The USA will ask permission from the UN to bomb them?

Allahu Akbar!!

Let us hope that the Americans and the British, protagonists in the support of the so called rebels, wake up and realize that by supporting the rebels they are directly throwing their support behind Al Qeada. They can not possibly be so stupid as to want the replcacement of one dictator with Al Qeada.

Let the Syrians solve their own problems. Replacing a dictator with another dictatorship its not compatible with democratic principles. The ME is allergic to democracy, knowing and reacting only to dictatorhip as it has done throughout history.

[kimon07]

Referring to themselves as the Islamist Coalition, the group’s “Communique Number 1” said that the U.S.-backed opposition coalition “does not represent us nor do we recognize it.”

http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/ ... t-in-syria

And now what? The USA will ask permission from the UN to bomb them?

Allahu Akbar!!

Let us hope that the Americans and the British, protagonists in the support of the so called rebels, wake up and realize that by supporting the rebels they are directly throwing their support behind Al Qeada. They can not possibly be so stupid as to want the replcacement of one dictator with Al Qeada.

Let the Syrians solve their own problems. Replacing a dictator with another dictatorship its not compatible with democratic principles. The ME is allergic to democracy, knowing and reacting only to dictatorhip as it has done throughout history.

Agreed. BUT! How will they achieve that? With thousands of jihadist mercenary pigs, (who were armed and supported by the US) being, presently, the most powerful and effective fighting force in Syria? Maybe the Americans will have to humbly plead Assad to use his chemicals against them now eh?

[miltiades]

Kill two birds with one stone
All the fanatics have gathered to serve Allah with constant fresh supplies of blood, eager to reach heavens and taste the fruits of feminine...delights!!

[Robin Hood]

Militiades:

Let the Syrians solve their own problems. Replacing a dictator with another dictatorship its not compatible with democratic principles. The ME is allergic to democracy, knowing and reacting only to dictatorhip as it has done throughout history.

Very true! But go further and ask WHY? Why do the US and its allies keep interfering in all these Middle Eastern countries?

The first Gulf War seemed to have some legitimacy at least on the surface but it gets a little bit murky when you start looking at why Saddam thought he would get away with invading Kuwait. Then there came a series of military ‘events’ from Gulf War II and Afghanistan, which was supposedly to seek about Osama bin Ladin and the evil Al-Qaida. Then came Libya, to assist the people who were turning against Gaddafi, or at least that is what we were told. Then came Egypt, which I suspect caught the US on the back foot. They got a non US friendly government as a result but although it took them a year to do it they managed to recover that one. Now we see Syria under the same R2P military action (Right-to-Protect).

On top of these ‘official’ incursions there are also the US involvements in Central Africa, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and of course the continuous drone attacks in Pakistan. The US is now refocusing on the Far East to respond to the National Security ‘threat’ to the US from China.

R2P basically puts any military action above International Law, UN Conventions and the Laws of the USA and hands the whole thing over to the President of the USA to make the call as to when and who he decides to attack! Surely, if R2P were the reason the US would have interfered in Gaza and the West Bank to protect the Palestinians from Israeli attack (Chemical weapons i.e. White Phosphorus) and also in the Gulf States, including Saudi, where cruel, oppressive and corrupt dictatorships abound.

Nether Iraq, Libya or Syria has a world bank within the Rothschild World banking system and none of these countries that the US has interfered with restricted the sale of their gas/oil to using petro-dollars. Then the same also applies to Iran plus the fact it has the world’s third largest oil/gas reserves and also happens to sit right on the only route to Pakistan/India and the Far East for a gas/oil pipeline from the Caspian Basin.

Another thing to ask is simply ‘Cui bono’ or who stands to gain? With between 500 and 1000 US 'bases' in over 200 countries (depending on your interpretation of a ‘Base’) it does not take a lot of imagination. Then add to the equation that the US is a puppet State of Israel ...........i.e. the tail wags the dog and things get interesting if also a bit speculative!!!

This thread could be an interesting exchange .......................

[Robin Hood]

Referring to themselves as the Islamist Coalition, the group’s “Communique Number 1” said that the U.S.-backed opposition coalition “does not represent us nor do we recognize it.”

http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/ ... t-in-syria

And now what? The USA will ask permission from the UN to bomb them?

Allahu Akbar!!

Let us hope that the Americans and the British, protagonists in the support of the so called rebels, wake up and realize that by supporting the rebels they are directly throwing their support behind Al Qeada. They can not possibly be so stupid as to want the replcacement of one dictator with Al Qeada.

Let the Syrians solve their own problems. Replacing a dictator with another dictatorship its not compatible with democratic principles. The ME is allergic to democracy, knowing and reacting only to dictatorhip as it has done throughout history.

Agreed. BUT! How will they achieve that? With thousands of jihadist mercenary pigs, (who were armed and supported by the US) being, presently, the most powerful and effective fighting force in Syria? Maybe the Americans will have to humbly plead Assad to use his chemicals against them now eh?

One way to kill a cancerous growth is to cut off its blood supply! Stop supplying the weapons to the terrorists and let Assad's Military sort them out. Three months and the civil war is over. Then Syria should go back to the UN/ICC and get reparations from the US/UK and France for the damage their support for terrorism was responsible for (an action that is against International Law anyway) and then try the politicians that told all the lies ..... who ever they happen to be!

[repulsewarrior]

...i suggest that as a representation of the Human concerns, in this matter, the rest of the world is asking the wrong questions. it is all too easy to divide and debate on National grounds, or a distinction easy to identify, but it is not the point. what we witness here is the denial that the evil exists within ourselves, and as a result it is easy for the powers who hold the Agenda to exploit this fear. any conflict among us is a concern, the real enemy, if we've learned anything from war, it is Ignorance, not the opposing side, and Hunger, Disease, even Natural Disaster, are worthy of the Hatred we have in our hearts.

[Oceanside50]

basically RW, you are saying that thousands upon thousands of years of creativity and innovation by humans has done little in changing human nature

[DrCyprus]

basically RW, you are saying that thousands upon thousands of years of creativity and innovation by humans has done little in changing human nature

Human nature is extremely difficult to change and takes thousands of years of evolution. It's the nurture part that makes humans malleable to their surroundings. Culture and education are some of the strongest determining factors of that very nurture part.

[Cap]

Militiades:

Let the Syrians solve their own problems. Replacing a dictator with another dictatorship its not compatible with democratic principles. The ME is allergic to democracy, knowing and reacting only to dictatorhip as it has done throughout history.

Very true! But go further and ask WHY? Why do the US and its allies keep interfering in all these Middle Eastern countries?

The first Gulf War seemed to have some legitimacy at least on the surface but it gets a little bit murky when you start looking at why Saddam thought he would get away with invading Kuwait. Then there came a series of military ‘events’ from Gulf War II and Afghanistan, which was supposedly to seek about Osama bin Ladin and the evil Al-Qaida. Then came Libya, to assist the people who were turning against Gaddafi, or at least that is what we were told. Then came Egypt, which I suspect caught the US on the back foot. They got a non US friendly government as a result but although it took them a year to do it they managed to recover that one. Now we see Syria under the same R2P military action (Right-to-Protect).

On top of these ‘official’ incursions there are also the US involvements in Central Africa, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and of course the continuous drone attacks in Pakistan. The US is now refocusing on the Far East to respond to the National Security ‘threat’ to the US from China.

R2P basically puts any military action above International Law, UN Conventions and the Laws of the USA and hands the whole thing over to the President of the USA to make the call as to when and who he decides to attack! Surely, if R2P were the reason the US would have interfered in Gaza and the West Bank to protect the Palestinians from Israeli attack (Chemical weapons i.e. White Phosphorus) and also in the Gulf States, including Saudi, where cruel, oppressive and corrupt dictatorships abound.

Nether Iraq, Libya or Syria has a world bank within the Rothschild World banking system and none of these countries that the US has interfered with restricted the sale of their gas/oil to using petro-dollars. Then the same also applies to Iran plus the fact it has the world’s third largest oil/gas reserves and also happens to sit right on the only route to Pakistan/India and the Far East for a gas/oil pipeline from the Caspian Basin.

Another thing to ask is simply ‘Cui bono’ or who stands to gain? With between 500 and 1000 US 'bases' in over 200 countries (depending on your interpretation of a ‘Base’) it does not take a lot of imagination. Then add to the equation that the US is a puppet State of Israel ...........i.e. the tail wags the dog and things get interesting if also a bit speculative!!!

This thread could be an interesting exchange .......................

The Cyprus Mail makes some good points.
http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/09/28/the-w ... tural-gas/