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[Paphitis]

what the Americans have done is take away one of Syria's major deterence weapons....Turkey may not be so hesitant to attack now

The west has been trying to get Turkey into Syrian war for the longest time just so to break Turkey up in the progress to solve several other problems in the area where Turkey is involved, but Turkey has not taken the bait yet. Perhaps they will now, and if they do, God help them as what is awaiting for them.

I don't agree. Turkey routinely invades other countries for expansionist reasons (contextually, 1938, Turkey invades Alexandretta). About every 4 decades? It does not need anyone's encouragement. Although, it waits for the opportunity, helping progress any opportunity with false flags and well-proven subversive techniques. It then strikes when it is given the go-ahead that it will not meet resistance ...

Turkey will be met with plenty of resistance if it invaded. The Syrian Military is quite capable and should give the Turks a real good run. Turkey is not as strong as the ill informed in Cyprus or Greece actually think.

And if Russia comes to Syria's aid, then Turkey would be toast and I really do not believe the US is going to have a war with Russia to save Turkey's bacon. The Americans are not stupid...just like the Russians were never going to come to Syria's aid if the US attacked them.

Russia and the US are pretty good at passing the buck and avoiding situations where they will encounter each other's might. Just won't happen. Certainly not Turkey or Syria!

Both would hit the negotiating table hard rather than hit each other.

[kimon07]

I think you underestimate Russian/US friendship and cooperation. The 2 countries are actually quite close and Russia did try very hard to broker deal.

Now I have heard it all: Friendship as an element of the foreign policy and the international or bilateral relations of super powers who have conflicting national, political, military, economic and strategic interests!!!

Lavrov Accuses U.S. Of 'Blackmail' Over Syria UN Resolution
September 22, 2013
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has accused Western countries of a "deeply politicized approach" to the crisis in Syria.

In an interview broadcast on September 22 on Russia's Channel One, Lavrov said Western countries are intent on removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to show they "order the music" in the Middle East.

Lavrov said the United States "is beginning to blackmail us" by saying Washington will stop cooperating with the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) if Moscow does not support a UN Security Council resolution that could allow for the use of force in Syria.

Lavrov said he had earlier agreed with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry there would be no Security Council resolution until the OPCW issues its statement on Syria's chemical weapons.
Based on reporting by Interfax, ITAR-TASS

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-lav ... 13907.html

[Paphitis]

Being member of the partnership for peace doesn't equate trying to get into NATO. It just helps Russia to have friendly ties with the U.S.A when convenient.

It's pretty much NATO kindie!

[bigOz]

How the minds of my fellow countrymen down South, Greek mainlanders and some foreign resident Greeks work will never cease to amaze me!

If you understood Turkish, had the slightest clue about the majority of Turkish public's knowledge of World politics and their stance on War with Syria, you would be laughing at the stupid comments and "Greek Mythology" like scenarios most posters have come up with!

To start with, possibly 99 out of 100 Turks in Turkey (with the exception of the ultra religious blindfolded Erdoğan followers) are cursing the government for getting involved with Syria and asking WHY? The same do not want to get involved in any kind of war with Syria and as a result many top government ministers are making speeches every day stating "Turkey does not wish to and will not invade Syria!". To think that Erdoğan will get more votes by invading Syria is one of the silliest things I have seen in this forum (where silliness has no limits)

The second point is, stop fooling your stupid selves that Russia will come to the aid of Syria (or even Cyprus for that matter) and attack Turkey because of her military stand against a neighbour! Russia is no longer the communist country it used to be many moons ago - and even then she supported anything anti capitalist by supplying arms and advisers but never got involved in any war directly!

Russia today is just as capitalist as the USA and run by extremely wealthy individuals/corporations with great influence on their government. Their trade relations and interests with Turkey is measured by billions of Euros every year. Holiday maker's from Russia has Turkey as their number-1 destination! Turkish construction companies had virtually won every big construction contract in Russia! Main supplier of Russian food and fruit importers is Turkish producers. And the list goes on... Erdoğan and Putin do have a good barter behind scenes also You saw yourselves what happened with your best mates during the economic problems South had - many had fled to North with suitcases full of money and already bought/constructed huge villas in Girne and Magosa!

You are creating scenarios that do not exist and drawing conclusions to please your poor brains - I guess another form of emotional masturbation? Go on and dream you fools!

[supporttheunderdog]

How the minds of my fellow countrymen down South, Greek mainlanders and some foreign resident Greeks work will never cease to amaze me!

If you understood Turkish, had the slightest clue about the majority of Turkish public's knowledge of World politics and their stance on War with Syria, you would be laughing at the stupid comments and "Greek Mythology" like scenarios most posters have come up with!

To start with, possibly 99 out of 100 Turks in Turkey (with the exception of the ultra religious blindfolded Erdoğan followers) are cursing the government for getting involved with Syria and asking WHY? The same do not want to get involved in any kind of war with Syria and as a result many top government ministers are making speeches every day stating "Turkey does not wish to and will not invade Syria!". To think that Erdoğan will get more votes by invading Syria is one of the silliest things I have seen in this forum (where silliness has no limits)

The second point is, stop fooling your stupid selves that Russia will come to the aid of Syria (or even Cyprus for that matter) and attack Turkey because of her military stand against a neighbour! Russia is no longer the communist country it used to be many moons ago - and even then she supported anything anti capitalist by supplying arms and advisers but never got involved in any war directly!

Russia today is just as capitalist as the USA and run by extremely wealthy individuals/corporations with great influence on their government. Their trade relations and interests with Turkey is measured by billions of Euros every year. Holiday maker's from Russia has Turkey as their number-1 destination! Turkish construction companies had virtually won every big construction contract in Russia! Main supplier of Russian food and fruit importers is Turkish producers. And the list goes on... Erdoğan and Putin do have a good barter behind scenes also You saw yourselves what happened with your best mates during the economic problems South had - many had fled to North with suitcases full of money and already bought/constructed huge villas in Girne and Magosa!

You are creating scenarios that do not exist and drawing conclusions to please your poor brains - I guess another form of emotional masturbation? Go on and dream you fools!

The Soviet Union had forces in Afganistan playing an active part in the conflict there in support of a communist regime and who got mauled. This was one of reasons for some modern problems since soviet attempts to intervene lead to promotion of the Mujahadeen to counter the perceived threat of USSR expansionism. The Mujahadeen partly morphed in to Al Quada and the Taliban.

The USSR may be dead, but Russia is still expansionist. As you say it is run by extremely wealthy individuals/corporations where the wealthiest individual is said to be a certain Mr Putin, who seems to have fingers in the pies of most of the most of the major industries.

If he can find a way to use the Syria conflict to expand Russian influence he will. I am not saying this will involve war with Turkey, but do not discount some sly manoevering.

[kimon07]

How the minds of my fellow countrymen down South, Greek mainlanders and some foreign resident Greeks work will never cease to amaze me!

To start with, possibly 99 out of 100 Turks in Turkey (with the exception of the ultra religious blindfolded Erdoğan followers) are cursing the government for getting involved with Syria and asking WHY?

Nevetheless, the government DID get involved. Right? Inspite the negative feelings of the public. Right? Which means, Erdogan does not give a shit about what the public of Turkey thinks. Right?

.......The same do not want to get involved in any kind of war with Syria......

But as we have established already, the government does not give a shit about what the public want.

......and as a result many top government ministers are making speeches every day stating "Turkey does not wish to and will not invade Syria!"

And I suppose we must take their declarations for granted just because you do. Right?

.....To think that Erdoğan will get more votes by invading Syria is one of the silliest things I have seen in this forum (where silliness has no limits)

If Erdogan is allowed and assisted by NATO to invade Syria safely and put part of its territory under Turkish controll, he will be elected PM for life (or better, President, depending what he will chose).

As for Russia: I agree it will not go to war against the West for Syria or Cyprus or whatever. But, as to what else it will or try to do to safeguard its interests in the East Med? Well, it remains to be seen. Exactly because it has become as much a capitalist country as any other, I am sure that it values hydrocarbons much more than oranges and military or naval bases in the region much more than tourist vilas.

[Robin Hood]

I posted a few days ago ago (18th Sept) a story which came out of Syria a few days after the gas attack on Ghouta which indicated, by interviews with the rebels that were involved that the gas release was as the result of an accident due to the mishandling of chemical weapons supplied to the rebels by the Saudi’s. There was virtually nothing in the MSM on this other than oblique references to the rebels.

This was the article:
http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/09/01/which-syrian-chemical-attack-account-is-more-credible/

By trying to suppress this information becoming available to all, the Saudi’s have more-or-less proved that there is some substance in the story.

Within hours of the release by Mint Press, both the journalists Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh, were threatened by a ‘third party’, believed to be acting on behalf of the Saudi involved in supplying the weapons, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a member of the Saudi Royal family. Gavlan, a 20 year veteran journalist with AP, was told that she either disassociated herself from the article or her career would be destroyed. The other journalist Ababneh was told not to do a follow up article, nor to appear in any interviews on the subject or the same would apply. Mint Press also received veiled threats and was instructed to remove Gavals name from the article.

It now appears that pressure has been brought to bear and the threats have been carried out as Gavlav ‘......has now been “indefinitely suspended” by the Associated Press with no public explanation from the news agency'. It appears that the Saudi threats to “end her career” worked.

Full story:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-who-exposed-how-rebels-were-behind-august-21st-syria-chemical-weapons-attack-faces-intimidation/5351168

So ........We have the threat of war against Syria driven by Zionist interests, all based on a series of lies about chemical weapons that were actually supplied to the rebels by one of the US’ major client States Saudi Arabia. We then get a series of videos from Kerry giving ‘irrefutable’ proof that the attack was by Assad’s army! Unfortunately the videos turn out to have been very heavily doctored and deliberately designed to give a false impression and gives rise to the question as to whether the attack ever took place at all. We then get reports, again very credible, saying that the children in these videos were children from Latakia that had been kidnapped by the rebels and actually identified in some cases by the parents. Some children were seen on the video being given injections (even though they were supposed to be dead?). Was it anaesthetic? What happened to all these children .... the story seems to dry out and there is no record of a funeral for them?

Something very strange is going on ..........................

Whatever their motives we should all be grateful that the Russians have taken the initiative and, backed by Iran and China, have prevented the US/Israel from starting yet another war in the Middle East. Let us hope that they can now do the same for the upcoming and long planned war on Iran ............. the United Nations should be very interesting this week as Netanyahu is already banging his war drum!!!!

[kimon07]

Nice post as usual Robin Hood. But coming back to the main subject.

WTF is going on in Syria? Has anybody heard anything lately from that front? Has the war ended? Have the clashes stopped? Who won? The Syrian Army? The FSA? The Jihadists? Was it by any chance a war that was going on only for as long as there was a chance for the USA or NATO or both to intervene? What happens next? How possible is it to see Assad and FSA representatives invited to Washington or to the UN to negotiate a “comprehensive” solution? I smell another Annan (the rat) Plan here.

[kimon07]

An excellent article worth reading.

Putin’s Geopolitical Chess Game with Washington in Syria and Eurasia

Global Research,
23 July 2012
Region: Asia, Middle East & North Africa, Russia and FSU
Theme: US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: SYRIA: NATO’S NEXT WAR?

Since reassuming his post as Russia’s President, Vladimir Putin has lost no minute in addressing the most urgent geopolitical threats to Russia internationally. Not surprisingly, at the center of his agenda is the explosive situation in the Middle East, above all Syria. Here Putin is engaging every imaginable means of preventing a further deterioration of the situation into what easily could become another “world war by miscalculation.” His activities in recent weeks involve active personal diplomacy with Syria’s government as well as the so-called opposition “Syrian National Council.” It involves intense diplomacy with Erdogan’s Turkey regime. It involves closed door diplomacy with Obama. It involves direct diplomacy with Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu.
Syria itself, contrary to what most western media portray, is a long-standing multi-ethnic and religiously tolerant secular state with an Alawite Muslim President Bashar Al-Assad, married to a Sunni wife. The Alawite sect is an offshoot of Shia Islam which doesn’t force their women to wear head scarves and are liberal by Sunni standards, especially in the fundamentalist places like Saudi Arabia where women are forbidden to even hold a driver’s license. The overall Syrian population is a diverse mix of Alawites, Druze and Kurds, Sunnis, and Armenian Orthodox Christians. Were the minority regime of Al-Assad to fall, experts estimate that, like in Egypt, the murky Sunni (as in Saudi Arabia) Muslim Brotherhood organization would emerge as the dominant organized political force, something certainly not welcome in Tel Aviv and certainly not in either Russia or China.1

The rest here:
http://www.antibaro.gr/article/8903

[Robin Hood]

Kimon:

WTF is going on in Syria? Has anybody heard anything lately from that front? Has the war ended? Have the clashes stopped? Who won? The Syrian Army? The FSA? The Jihadists? Was it by any chance a war that was going on only for as long as there was a chance for the USA or NATO or both to intervene? What happens next? How possible is it to see Assad and FSA representatives invited to Washington or to the UN to negotiate a “comprehensive” solution? I smell another Annan (the rat) Plan here.

You may have noticed, we read/hear little or nothing about Libya, Egypt, Gaza, Afghanistan either, unless it is something spectacular? Taking into account the way the journalist who broke the Saudi involvement in the Syrian chemical attack in Ghouta have been treated, does that not indicate that the Main Stream Media is very strictly controlled? What goes out to the masses is strictly restricted to what ‘they’ want the public to know. A journalist who steps out of line can be ostracised within the MSM, can be imprisoned or, as has happened recently several times in the US, can die in mysterious accidents or they strangely, and without reason, commit ‘suicide’!

The Russians have scored a humiliating defeat on the US and its allies in the battle for Syria and have show they are diplomatically less astute and capable than the Russians. The US always resorts to threats and intimidation, the idea of actually respecting and discussing differences is not part of the US Administration’s MO. They know only the application of superior military force against nations that do not have the capacity to resist them and refuse to toe their line. The Israeli’s are exactly the same. They have both now met their match with Russia, China and Iran combining their strengths.

The Syrian war is far from over. The US is now licking its wounds and putting on a brave face, by insinuating that the diplomatic initiative in Syria was somehow or other, their idea and what they have always wanted. Do not be fooled! They are beavering away behind closed doors planning another false flag incident that will justify them going back on the war path and sooner rather than later.

My guess? .....Another chemical attack in Syria which the US and Israel will present as undeniable proof that Assad has not declared all his chemical weapons. The Saudi connection to the Ghouta incident has now been effectively and conveniently erased from the pages of history!

People who read only the information provided by the MSM are being deliberately deceived but they don’t realise it because they are told (and believe) that any other stories they read are all ‘conspiracy theories’. But think about it?

If journalist’s who lose their jobs for telling the truth or refusing to toe the owners/shareholders editorial policy or refuse to identify their sources, are no longer working within the controlled MSM, who are they working for? Many are now releasing their articles and reports through independent news web sites, which is why the US/UK and others are so desperate to control the Internet. It is dangerous to the interests of the Elite if the masses actually get to know the truth.