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[kimon07]

I think Obama achieved his objectives without war.

Yes, what has been going on in Syria for two years due to Obama and his Al Qaeda friends is not war. It's just a school game.

At the end of the day, Assads chemical weapons are history thanks to a Russia inspired agreement.

Is Obama Russian?

If Obama did not threaten military action then this victory would not have been achieved.

You mean his defeat, which is a victory of the rest of us.

In the end, the world is just a little safer.

Thanks to (a) the Brits (b) Putin and (c) the Sec. Gen. of the UN.

From Assads end, this agreement was also a stroke of genius.

You mean Assad thought of it?

If the rebels have chemical weapons, they will not be able to use them. If they do, then the spotlight will be on them.

They will not use them because the spot light will be on them? The jihadists? The "spot light" will scare them off eh?

Sounds like a good result all round!

You bet. This was/is the first time that the US realised that there are limitations to their arbitrary-unilateral decisions-actions. And to their power. And that the rest of the world seems to be determined now, not to let them drug us to adventures which can lead to a global disaster. And this, indeed, DOES make the world not just a bit but much, much safer.

[Paphitis]

I think Obama achieved his objectives without war.

Yew, what has been going on in Syria with Obama's help is a school game.

At the end of the day, Assads chemical weapons are history thanks to a Russia inspired agreement.

Is Obama Russian?

If Obama did not threaten military action then this victory would not have been achieved.

You mean his defeat, which is a victory of the rest of us.

In the end, the world is just a little safer.

Thanks to (a) the Brits (b) Putin and (c) the Sec. Gen. of the UN.

From Assads end, this agreement was also a stroke of genius. If the rebels have chemical weapons, they will not be able to use them. If they do, then the spotlight will be on them.

They will not use them because the spot light will be on them? On the jihadists? And the spot light will scare them off eh?

Sounds like a good result all round!

You bet. This was/is the first time that the US realised that there are limitations to their arbitrary-unilateral decisions-actions. And to their power. And that the rest of the world seems to be determined now, not to let them drug us to adventures which can lead to a global disaster. And this, indeed, DOES make the world not just a bit but much, much safer.

Desperately grasping at straws!

If you remember before tensions escalated, Obama insisted on weapons inpectors be allowed in Syria.

Due to the thread of limited military action, not only will weapons inspectors be allowed in Syria, but their CW arsenal will be handed over to the UN.

A great outcome don't you think?

[Get Real!]

A great outcome don't you think?

Yes, Obama is giving a head job to the Russians and the Chinese!

Nothing short of disastrous for those who supported war crimes against a sovereign nation and a great win for humanity the world around.

Let’s hope this sets the new trend form now on.

[Paphitis]

A great outcome don't you think?

Yes, Obama is giving a head job to the Russians and the Chinese!

Nothing short of disastrous for those who supported war crimes against a sovereign nation and a great win for humanity the world around.

Let’s hope this sets the new trend form now on.

That's crap and you know it.

The Russians were shitting themselves!

Yes I agree it was a good outcome.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

If the objective was regime change then the US would not accept the Russian Proposals.

Remember, the colloquialism ‘It ain’t over’ till the fat lady sings.’?

Obama has lost miserably to Putin, basically Putin outsmarted him and the US had no option but to go with the idea. The US is not going to take that defeat without looking for another way to achieve the same end ........ that is the removal of Assad and the setting up of Iran as it is still the main goal in the Middle East and has been for almost 60 years.

I stand by what I said .... there will eventually be an incident that will raise the spectre of a US unilateral intervention and if AIPAC can’t swing the vote in the Senate their way, then Obama will get the proverbial pitch-fork up the backside and be made to go it alone because ........ he is expendable ........ the overall plan is not!

You may have noted that in spite of Russia saying the threat of military action is not part of the deal but the UN is, Kerry, Haig and Hollande are still making the threat of military action to enforce the UN resolution. As far as the US is concerned, nothing has changed it has merely been delayed!

Schnauzer:

In short words (for which I am quite famous)......... 'Obama' has had his 'Black Arse' kicked once again.

You bet. This was/is the first time that the US realised that there are limitations to their arbitrary-unilateral decisions-actions. And to their power. And that the rest of the world seems to be determined now, not to let them drug us to adventures which can lead to a global disaster. And this, indeed, DOES make the world not just a bit but much, much safer.

I agree absolutely but unfortunately, as Obama said a coupe of days ago, the US still believes it is ‘exceptional’ and that it is beyond complying with International Law/ Conventions and by association so does Israel. I think this knee in the nuts from Russia, has been a wake-up call for both.

Kimon07:
Your last post( Sep 16, 2013 4:31 pm) ................... hit the nail right on the head!
And this from Schnauzer explains why

.........
"The general voting public are as knowledgeable of 'Politics' as my arse is of Snipe-shooting"........(Quote by Sir B.O'Reilly).

[yialousa1971]

Turkey warplanes shoot down Syrian helicopter


Turkey’s deputy prime minister says Turkish warplanes have shot down a Syrian helicopter, but he did not provide further details.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/16 ... elicopter/

[Oceanside50]

their country is falling apart and their looking for helicopters to shoot down

[GreekIslandGirl]

Fell in Syrian airspace. Pilots ejected in Syrian airspace. So why did the Turks shoot it in Syrian airspace?

[Kikapu]

Fell in Syrian airspace. Pilots ejected in Syrian airspace. So why did the Turks shoot it in Syrian airspace?

Strong northerly winds perhaps!

Obviously there's more to this story than it meets the eye. It appears that the chopper was shot down in Syrian airspace, which will make this an act of war on Syria by Turkey, in which case, ALL options are now open to Syria to take against Turkey without involving NATO, since Turkey fired the first shot on the chopper on Syrian territory. Interesting times.

[bigOz]

Fell in Syrian airspace. Pilots ejected in Syrian airspace. So why did the Turks shoot it in Syrian airspace?

Strong northerly winds perhaps!

Obviously there's more to this story than it meets the eye. It appears that the chopper was shot down in Syrian airspace, which will make this an act of war on Syria by Turkey, in which case, ALL options are now open to Syria to take against Turkey without involving NATO, since Turkey fired the first shot on the chopper on Syrian territory. Interesting times.

Turkey shared the radar track records with the rest of the world - the Syrian helicopter clearly violated the Turkish border (2 km inside the border when shot at). The aircraft movements in this area are closely watched/recorded via satellite radar by both the Russians and Americans 24 hrs a day (not to mention EU satellites) - if Turkey's claims were unfounded, someone would have been (especially Russia) screaming "murder" by today! So stop getting over excited for nothing Greek girls and boys

Probably the helicopter's warning system alerted the pilots of the incoming missile fired from some 10-12 km away. So they start heading towards Syria before ejecting. A helicopter as such crusing at 125 knots would cover the 2 km in 30 seconds before being hit on Syrian side. If they had no radar warning about an incoming missile what chance did they have of ejecting in time? In any case, voice recordings of the warnings by Turkish airspace control to the helicopter as it approached and entered the Turkish airspace that had no response from the helicopter pilots are also on record. If the Syrians want to accuse anyone of an illegal attack, let them find the black box of the helicopter and hand it over to UN!

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