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[Maximus]

No,

It is pretty useless showing me one macro economic indicator.

What are you trying to prove now? that Turkey is not heading for disaster?

[erolz66]

No,

It is pretty useless showing me one macro economic indicator.

What are you trying to prove now? that Turkey is not heading for disaster?

I am not trying to prove anything. I am simply questioning your claim that

Turkey is heading for disaster and you see it for yourself from the trajectory she is on.

It seems to me that you yourself have on many occasions taken economic indicators , macro and otherwise, that are 'negative' for Turkey and presented them as proof that Turkey 'end is nigh', yet those that do not fit this desired end of yours are ignored ?

My suggestion is that both you and B25 are blinded by a desire to see Turkey disintegrate as a state to such a degree that it clouds your judgement. You can take or leave that suggestion as you like but I personally think the evidence that supports such an idea is real and material and pretty obvious.

[cyprusgrump]

no one can predict the exact day and year Erolz,

That is not the point.

And yet B25 and to a degree yourself as well have been predicting Turkey's demise in terms like 'imminent' and 'very soon' for literally decades now. To me that indicates that such predictions are not based on cold rational analysis as much as they are expressions of desire. That is all I am saying.

You are kind of contradicting yourself trying to belittle B25's analysis.

My opinion is that such posts are more an expression of desire than analysis based on the fact that they have been ongoing and relentless for at least the last 20 years and probably longer.

For me in analogy terms pointing out to the guy that has been walking around every day for the last 20 plus years with a sign saying 'the end is neigh', that so far the end has not come is not seeking to belittle them. It is just expressing an opinion that their prediction does not seem to be valid. Them countering that the the world will end at some point and no one can know when it will come rather misses the point imo. They are not saying the end will come. They are saying the end is imminent.

Opinions are like arseholes - everybody has one.

It is bizarre that you continue to believe that yours has more value than any other on the forum.

[Maximus]

No,

It is pretty useless showing me one macro economic indicator.

What are you trying to prove now? that Turkey is not heading for disaster?

I am not trying to prove anything. I am simply questioning your claim that

Turkey is heading for disaster and you see it for yourself from the trajectory she is on.

It seems to me that you yourself have on many occasions taken economic indicators , macro and otherwise, that are 'negative' for Turkey and presented them as proof that Turkey 'end is nigh', yet those that do not fit this desired end of yours are ignored ?

My suggestion is that both you and B25 are blinded by a desire to see Turkey disintegrate as a state to such a degree that it clouds your judgement. You can take or leave that suggestion as you like but I personally think the evidence that supports such an idea is real and material and pretty obvious.

I said, it is pretty useless showing me one economic indicator.

And now you are being very confusing. So lets get to the point with your analysis.

Why dont you tell us why "Turkey may well be heading for disaster"

[Londonrake]

https://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/new ... v9KB3yujC4

[Maximus]

You see, Syria and Russia are fighting to eradicate the last rebel held strong holds in Idlib, which harbors terrorists. This would allow the country to resume to some form of normalcy, allow refugees to return and prevent a greater humanitarian crisis. The end to this could be close

But Turkey is trying to seize the very same chunk of land from Syria to have under its complete control and displace more people.

Their whole agenda is being exposed contrary to what they claim to be doing there.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, if there are terrorists that remain in Idlib, it is Turkey which must take the blame as it is by their own agreement with Russia, that they took the responsibility to change this. I will add, this is a problem of years, not months.

...it is not the "Security Zone" that solved Turkey's problem, nor has it bettered Syrian lives, it is no measure of success held by the International community with high esteem, either; it only demonstrates Erdogan's willingness to encroach militaristically, not as a last resort, for an opportunity that can be viewed as expansionistic.

...is the warring coming to an end, in Syria? Is it over for Turkey, too?

[erolz66]

Opinions are like arseholes - everybody has one.

It is bizarre that you continue to believe that yours has more value than any other on the forum.

So if I express my opinion then that indicates to you I think it has more value than any one elses ? That is bizzare.

[erolz66]

I said, it is pretty useless showing me one economic indicator.

Yet you do exactly that yourself have you not ?

And now you are being very confusing. So lets get to the point with your analysis.

Why dont you tell us why "Turkey may well be heading for disaster"

I made no analysis of Turkey's future. May = it may be heading for disaster, or it may not = no analysis, no claim, no prediction. That you interpreted that statement as meaning I agree with you that Turkey is clearly heading for disaster just reinforces my opinion that you have a kind of 'blind spot' in regards to Turkey. All I did was just question your and B25s analysis of Turkey's imminent demise based on decades of experience of having seen such predictions from you both. My 'analysis was about you and B25 , not Turkey.

[Kikapu]

Few months ago when Turkey was insisting getting deeper and deeper into Syria and Russia and the USA allowed for it to happen, I stated at the time that the Russians and the Americans were working together to trap Turkey in Syria and to hit NATO member Turkey hard as there won’t be any help be given to Turkey by NATO. Similar conditions awaits Turkey in Libya.

So Erdogan has now stuck his head out so far out with his bravado talk, he is going to have to go ahead in Syria to try to regain lost Syrian land around Idlib, except, this time the Russians are not going to open the airspace to Turkey. Not only that, Russia will start bombing Turkish ground operation and then let Assad take the credit. Once Idlib has been dealt with and Turkeyhas been driven back to it’t own border, then Assad will focus it’s attention to the Northeast. Just by “luck”, the Russians are already there after the Americans gave it to them.

Oh, just one more thing. Trump says he supports Turkey’s actions in Idlib. Basically he is giving Turkey the green light to escalate, as Turkey is on her own, which is what Trump told Erdogan as the Americans left Northeast Syria to the Turks from the YPG. It is all coming together now, which is bad news for Turkey.