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[erolz66]

there were some pibol here who claimed that this was a trap and terggy will suffer and some even said terggy will be attacked and split and one bitch claimed we would end up in ulan batur. well strange enough we is still in lefkosa and we intend to stay there some time.

By all indications Erdogan will walk away empty handed from this deal, which will be a political defeat for him. First Trump gives Erdogan the green light to go into Syria and as Erdogan hesitates to do just that, Trump sends an insulting letter to Erdogan almost daring him to go into Syria knowing full well Erdogan would react to show his manhood, so he goes into Syria all guns blazing to be told by the Americans to halt his fire and the Russians and Assad forces take over from the YPG. As soon as Erdogan realizes that he has been double crossed both by Russia and the Americans, he might just blow a fuse and start a full scale war in Syria with whomever is in his way. He is the kind of a man to take such a bait. If he does, it will be fireworks for his forces in the deserts of Syria as the airspace is closed for him.

I hear what you are saying but it just seems to me

10 days ago

Kurdish nationalist forces had de facto autonomous (from assad and from turkey) presence in and control of large areas of northern Syria including a large section of border with Turkey.
Assad and or Russian forces had no presence in the area and not had for around the previous 6 years ?

5 days from now it seems likely that

Kurdish nationalist forces will have conceded. politically, a large amount of autonomy from assad and lost physical military presence in 'corridor' on the Turkish border.
Assad and Russian forces have physical presence in areas they had not had for the previous 6 years, without having to fire a shot.

On that basis the biggest 'losers' are, it seems to me, the Kurdish nationalists. 'Winners' include Turkey, Assad and Russia. I have no idea what the USA gets from this change, outside of domestic politically partisan spin fodder and even that is dubious ?

[Mustiejodu]

It’s like watching Punch and Judy between trump and Erdogan. To me it all seemed staged. USA and Turkey were in this from the start. It all seems odd the way everything was handled. Under normal circumstances when a country is warmongering you don’t get a stupid letter like that and you certainly don’t get a 2 hour unofficial chat between Vice President pence and no announcement after the meeting. What ever discussion was had between Erdogan and the Vice President could only have taken place face to face and no record of their discussion why because USA was in on this from the beginning 100%. What a joke. When is Erdogan and trump going to just fucking die so both their country’s can try to be civilised if that’s ever possible

[repulsewarrior]

...yes, months of haggling, deceptions, half truths, allegations of the same, culminated in a phone call, and as such a bottom line, and a new page.

Turkey's willingness to go it alone is no bluff, as we speak he has found a way to disrupt the balance of power with all his neighbours, and allies. And while i am watching Mike Pence speak after making his agreement in Turkey, i realise that, perhaps, the decency i am expecting from America is not there. They don't get it, what is the bigger picture, or are 'they' driving 'us' to a precipice, where any choice seems better than what is the present and its suffering.

Indeed, the issue is complex, Russians facing Turks? American credibility at risk? And as a result of these choices, all Syrians are united? Bad enough they are using the abandoned American Bases, (the Russians), bombed out as they are, because as such they represent withdrawal and defeat. Now, they (the Russians) represent the balance of power, its fulcrum, quite clearly, with this US withdrawal, and their boots having replaced them on the ground.

...although i remain Hopeful.

100 years of American Foreign Policy, tossed out a window so to speak, (like Erdogan and the Treaty of Lausanne), from a Cypriot perspective, it may bring unease; it could be worse, it may be better. The change being inevitable cannot be denied forever, because as things are they are unnatural, (in Cyprus at least), but intentions count. At least there is the East Med. Gas Forum which exists, to represent among these neighbours, harmony, despite Turkey (although she remains invited to join as an equal among equals), that it is possible, hegemony and unity as a region overall.

Americans, as opposed to America's deep state(s), (also) exist, this is their battle; and another example where foreign intrusions are inappropriate.

[Maximus]

According to the Guardian.

Fighting in northern Syria continues in defiance of the ceasefire agreement and Erdogan confirming the Kurdish militants are withdrawing from the area.

Amnesty international also has damning evidence of war crimes committed by the Turkish army.

Turkey say they are fighting Kurdish terrorists but they are also targeting unarmed civilians and a hospital had been shelled. Accusations also include the use of banned chemical weapons on children and an investigation by the UN is underway.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -ceasefire

[Maximus]

Turkish trolls working for Erdogan infiltrate American media to spread propoganda and misinformation.

Who would believe it?

The CM is full of them and the CF has its resident bordogefalo.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ry ... acy-theory

[Lordo]

Turkish trolls working for Erdogan infiltrate American media to spread propoganda and misinformation.

Who would believe it?

The CM is full of them and the CF has its resident bordogefalo.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ry ... acy-theory

i wouldn't mind itif it was remotely correct but it is not. i have never said a nice thing about erdogan or the americans.
whass the madder boy some nasty boy taken your dummy again. tell mummy she wil lsort it out for you, goo boy, there there

[Cap]

Kurdish 'Peace' operation in Syria.
Somebody offer the T**ish terrorist a cigarette.

[Maximus]

I bet that^ guy wishes he never stepped foot inside Syria now. I bet he is saying things that are juxtaposed to what he believed and was saying only a day ago.

Like the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Captured Turks were on their knees showing EOKA-b pictures of their children and families.

Inst it strange that the Turks are more concerned about Syria's territorial integrity over the Syrians that have more Kurds living in their country. You can see and hear all these Turkish ministers explaining their actions and telling the world about their security concerns to justify their invasion. But Assad has got the kurds allied with him and he does not share the same view about a Kurdistan being established in much of his country.

They were doing a good job in fighting ISIS along with Russia.

Now 1000's of ISIS detainees have been freed, more refugees have been created and innocent civilians are being targeted by the Turkish army.

[Cap]

You nailed it Max

[Maximus]

Look,

ISTANBUL - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants Syrian government forces to move out of areas near the Turkish border so he can resettle up to 2 million refugees there, his spokesman told The Associated Press on Saturday.

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/tur ... -aide-says

What a red flag, this uncovers Turkeys real agenda. What does the Syrian government forces have to do with moving out of the area so their own citizens can move back to their country but under Turkish control.

Nothing.

This has nothing to do with the territorial integrity of Syria for the Turks, otherwise Turkey wouldn't be saying things like this. This has nothing to do with Turkeys "security concerns".

Its obvious that this is a Turkish land grab and the criminals in Ankara expect the world to provide them with financial assistance and to support it.