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[MR-from-NG]

So this was the trap after all.
The Turks reached a level of extreme arrogance a long time ago.
Question is, was it really necessary to have nearly 300,000 people displaced and so many hundreds dead, just to impose those stupid sanctions?
It really puzzles me. More sanctions coming from the EU in a week...

The lira will exceed 2018's lows soon enough and inflation will become rampant. prematurely lowering interest rates will come back to bite the economy hard. The central bank will probably have to give it all back and then some. Erdogan will oppose it and fire the central bank governor again.

If it was bad last year in Turkey, next year is going to be a whole lot worse.

Cities full of people will be going to soup kitchens and looting the place just to survive.

Wow, come on Max. You make this sound like a synopsis of a Hollywood blockbuster you watched. You sound so sure of yourself to the point of arrogance. I said it many times and I'll say it again, I'm no fan of mainland Turkey and I oppose most of their foreign policies but I can see Turkeys concerns and their objective in this instance.

America single handedly ruined the whole of the Middle East. Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and it remains the envy of the world, Turkey does what it deems necessary for it's own security and the whole world is up in arms. Anyway, I hope there isn't too much bloodshed and the whole thing ends soon with Turkey securing its borders.

[Maximus]

What is arrogant about what I have said?

Is it not true that the last time the Lira crashed (last year) that people were queuing up to buy government subsidized vegetables and unemployment plus inflation peaked?

Do you honestly not think that the lira will not make all time lows again which will make last years problems pale in comparison?

The narrative of Turkey securing her borders is just an excuse to steal land from Syria.

She claims that she cant secure a 90km border now. How is she going to secure a 90km border in Syria that runs parallel to the existing one? Try and work that one out.

[Lordo]

some terggish comentators are saying that once the syrian army regulars appear on the sceen, the terggs will not fire on them and i suspect they will not withdraw either. the thught is that the syrians will not fire on the terggish army either. it remains to be seen if this is actually gona happen or not.

[Maximus]

some terggish comentators are saying that once the syrian army regulars appear on the sceen, the terggs will not fire on them and i suspect they will not withdraw either. the thught is that the syrians will not fire on the terggish army either. it remains to be seen if this is actually gona happen or not.

They live in a ludicrous reality.

They are going to confront and repel an invader and occupier of their land.

The Turkish propoganda machine and her think tanks are delusional beyond measure.

[MR-from-NG]

What is arrogant about what I have said?

Is it not true that the last time the Lira crashed (last year) that people were queuing up to buy government subsidized vegetables and unemployment plus inflation peaked?

Do you honestly not think that the lira will not make all time lows again which will make last years problems pale in comparison?

The narrative of Turkey securing her borders is just an excuse to steal land from Syria.

She claims that she cant secure a 90km border now. How is she going to secure a 90km border in Syria that runs parallel to the existing one? Try and work that one out.

To you it’s a forgone conclusion. I say it’s just wishful thinking. I’m no fan of RTE but do you not think he’s in a better position to weigh all the pros and cons of this operation?
Do you not believe that 30000 + Turks, civilian and solders have been killed by PKK over the years? Doesn’t Turkey have the right to defend its people and solders?

[Maximus]

I dont think Erdogan should not be making any decisions. He should have gone long ago or be in prison. He is a corrupt, lawless, delusional, lying dictator.

I know this conflict has cost lots of lives over the years but you also have to look at what Turkey is doing.

I do not think that Turkey should be invading and occupying Syria. No way...

[erolz66]

Seems to me that as far as Turkey's objective is to block, undermine and stall the establishment of an independent Kurdish state, either defacto or legal, it has made material gains by forcing the relevant Kurdish armed forces and their leadership to seek a deal with and protection from Assad. Despite all the many differences between Turkey and the Assad Syrian regime, I doubt either is supportive of the kind of semi-autonomy that had been gained in Northern Syria by Kurdish nationalists.

[erolz66]

It also seems to me that this situation could well be materially significant in ending the 'spell' both Trump holds over the American people (or Republican deep power base) and Erdogan holds over the Turkish people, resulting in a fall from power for both, which would imo be a positive outcome, all be it bought with the suffering of countless innocents, for Turkey, the Turkish people, the region in general and the world in general.

The problem with coming to power of the back of demagoguery, it seems to me, is that sooner or later you have to deliver and that is not possible when your promises were based on such demagoguery.

It is all well and fine Trump saying the USA should not be the policeman of the world but he seems to think, in his 'unmatched wisdom' that he can stop having to pay to be such a policeman but still maintain all the power such a role brings the USA. This is actually a reversal of at least 100 years of USA foreign policy and that is a step that will be too far for many hard core old school republicans imo.

If the reports of Russian troops patrolling the 'line' between Turkish forces and Assad forces is true and that leads to an end or significant reduction of the suffering of innocents, then I welcome that. I would also welcome this, yet again, blatant betrayal of the Kurdish people by world powers leading to a backlash that in turns opens up a path for the Kurdish people that want such securing some kind or form of autonomous / semi autonomous homeland. Again at least 100 years over due imo. However the 'pressure' of 'precedent' will still be a big barrier to such.

[Lordo]

pence is coming to terggy tomorrow to discuss ceasefire.
the russians are saying syrians and terggish soldiers wil not exchange fire.

https://www.artigercek.com/haberler/abd-ateskes-heyeti-yarin-turkiye-ye-geliyor?fbclid=IwAR0hshuWu3X_vlS0mEmWDN44L17IkaubCvos65s8LK5og2CJPoxEYIx2QI0

[B25]

pence is coming to terggy tomorrow to discuss ceasefire.
the russians are saying syrians and terggish soldiers wil not exchange fire.

https://www.artigercek.com/haberler/abd-ateskes-heyeti-yarin-turkiye-ye-geliyor?fbclid=IwAR0hshuWu3X_vlS0mEmWDN44L17IkaubCvos65s8LK5og2CJPoxEYIx2QI0

Well that should be fun, given that Erdogan has be claiming he will NEVER ceasefire and he doesn't care whatever the US does to him.
Can't wait to hear what he now has to say.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 1571177083