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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:05 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Kikapu:
The so called "Syrian Free Army" supported by Israel hating countries can hardly be in Israel’s interest to have Assad removed or even punished by the AIPAC controlled US congress. What would the Americans gain by sending few cruise missiles into Syria, which might by chance swing the advantage on the ground to the rebels, who most probably hate Israel more than the countries supporting the rebels, like Turkey?


I am afraid your vision is far too narrow .......... :!:

Maybe the legal principal of ‘Cui Bono’ should be applied to the evidence the US/UK/Israel are so confident points the finger at Assad but, as yet, nobody has actually seen. It is clear to a blind man that Sarin or some similar nerve agent was used, so that is not news but, there seems little or no evidence as to who released it.

The reason Obama wants to nail Assad and his forces is to break down his ability to respond to the assault by the US/Saudi funded rebels. Assad appears to gaining the upper hand in the civil war in spite of US/UK/Saudi support for the rebels.

The Syrian standing army represents an existential threat to Israel. Like Iran they present a well equipped, competent, organised and trained military and as such a threat to Israel’s regional hegemony. The fact that once Assad’s military is degraded and the rebels overrun the country is of no consequence to Israel as they can cope with an Islamic Syria because of their military superiority. What they can’t tolerate is military forces that are organised and a match for the IDF in the conventional theatre. If the rebels take over, as we have seen in all the Arab states after their Arab spring, the warring factions will go on fighting between themselves and will present little or no threat to Israel.

The US purpose for this attack has nothing to do with their horror of this chemical incident but simply "Divide et impera-divide."? Cui Bono ...... Israel. :roll:

Next countries in line for humanitarian intervention once the US has Syria nailed down? Lebanon and then Iran! Let us hope that US intervention does nor spur Iran/Lebanon to take action to ’.. protect their national security’, by taking pre-emptive military action as their undeniable right to ‘self defence’ ..... or does that principle only apply to Israel?

A cornered animal is dangerous! :o


RH,

If all you say are the reasons to destroy Assad's military assets to help Israel by blaming Assad for the chemical attack, then Obama and Cameron have missed the boat to attack Syria before the truth comes out that it wasn't Assad who used chemical weapons but it was USA and UK via the rebels, "False Flag", to give them the reason to degrade Assad’s military machine. The UK parliament already said NO to Cameron and the US congress will do likewise and say NO to Obama and if that wasn't bad enough, the UN inspectors will give their findings soon also which will not help Obama nor Cameron.

You also have a Russian base in Syria with their naval military assets in the area ready to go. When did the last time Assad threatened Israel, other than perhaps wanting the Golan Heights back? Obama may be doing all this to get Edward Snowden back from the Russians and call it evens and then try to find a political solution to Syria instead of a military one. G-20 meeting soon will be a good time and place to make the deal with the Russians on Snowden.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:23 pm

Kikapu:
................... and the US congress will do likewise and say NO to Obama and if that wasn't bad enough, the UN inspectors will give their findings soon also which will not help Obama nor Cameron.

I think that the Zionist influence on the Senate is so strong that the vote will be ‘YES’. Even if it is a no vote Obama it is suggested that, as The Commander-in-Chief he has the authority to take some action irrespective of the result.

The UN Inspectors mandate, and enforced by the US, was that they were there to verify that a chemical weapon(s) had been used and what the chemical was but specifically, they were not given a mandate to decide or give any indication of who pulled the trigger.
When did the last time Assad threatened Israel, other than perhaps wanting the Golan Heights back?

I honestly can’t remember! Iran has not threatened Israel either but it doesn’t stop Netanyahu threatening Iran on the same lack of any evidence the US is using to justify their excursion into Syria.

BTW: There are a couple of articles with some credibility that suggests that the chemical attack was an accident initiated by bad handling of Saudi supplied chemical weapons by Al-Nusra rebel’s. The evidence to a degree gives that story credibility because for that number of people to die it was not a single weapon and yet we see no videos of damaged building or trauma on the victims from a rocket or missile attack.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/jabhat-al-nusra-rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack/5347485
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrians-in-ghouta-claim-saudi-supplied-rebels-behind-chemical-attack/5347487

The tunnels the rebels use to move around out of sight of the Syrian Army are in many cases the basements of peoples homes, with internal walls knocked down. If there was such an accident Sarin vapour being heavier than air, would rapidly disperse through the ‘tunnels’. Chemical warheads don’t blow up, they are simply ruptured to release the agent.

This could be why so many were effected, they had no warning, the rebels who caused the accident would be dead or dying and the vapour crept up on the victims who had not had a warning. Children dying much faster than adults.

IMO it is a n hypothesis with some credibility.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:33 pm

Israel claims joint US missile launch in Mediterranean for 'target practice'

Russia’s early warning radars detected the launch of two ballistic rockets in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, Russia’s Defense Ministry stated. Israel later claimed responsibility for firing the target test rockets.

The launch took place at 06:16 GMT Tuesday, according to Russia's Ministry of Defense.


The trajectory of the missiles is reported to have been from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards the eastern landmass. Both rockets have allegedly fallen into the sea, RIA Novosti news agency reported.


Russia’s President Putin has already been informed about the incident by Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu.

The Syrian embassy in Moscow currently has no information on the incident.

There were no rocket attack signals or blasts in Damascus, the Russian embassy in Syria noted.

Syria’s missile warning system has not detected any rockets landing on their territory, a Syrian security source told Lebanese channel al-Manar TV.


Initially, the Israeli military apparently had no data on the launch either. However, later Israel claimed a joint missile launch with the US in the Mediterranean Sea. Israeli authorities pointed out that they tested an “anchor” target missile used to check how well the anti-missile system known as "Arrow-2" functions.

US Navy Forces haven’t fired any missiles from vessels deployed in the Mediterranean, according to a spokesman.


The UK has stressed that they “have nothing to do" with the launch.


A NATO spokesman said the alliance was trying to verify the reports. Until then, the bloc will not comment on the incident.

Armavir, an early warning system against missile attack, is situated in southern Russia. It is run by the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces. They provide radar coverage of the Middle East. There are two radars there, with one of them facing southwest and the other southeast.

http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eas ... anean-343/
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby B25 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:08 pm

Me thinks, someone was hoping for some retaliation, but the Syrians/Russians kept their cool.
What idiot would make such an unannounced move at a time like this. It was a deliberate act to coax others into a fight pure and simple.

Then when there is no reaction, to state that it was a test rocket. Yeah we believe them!!!!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:33 pm

B25 wrote:Me thinks, someone was hoping for some retaliation, but the Syrians/Russians kept their cool.
What idiot would make such an unannounced move at a time like this. It was a deliberate act to coax others into a fight pure and simple.

Then when there is no reaction, to state that it was a test rocket. Yeah we believe them!!!!


Yeah we do :lol: :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:19 pm

Egypt Will Give Full Support to Syria if US Attack

Cairo – September 2, 2013 – (SANA-B. Mousa / F. Allafi) – The Egyptian national forces stressed its stance on supporting Syria’s people and government in facing the U.S. threats of launching an aggression on it, adding that Syria is a part of the Arab and Egyptian national security.

At a press conference, the National Alliance of the Egyptian Revolutionary Forces called on the Arab nation to realize the plots hatched by the US and Britain to fragment the region.

The national forces of Egypt strongly condemned the Arab League stance regarding Syria, rejecting to hand another Arab country to the NATO as the League did with Libya.

Tahani al-Jabali, who recited the forces’ statement, said, “As a response to the U.S. current threats on Syria, we clearly announce our full support to Syria’s people and government in facing the conspiracy and aggression which threaten the national security of Egypt,” affirming that the national security of Egypt is based on that of Syria.

She added, “We clearly announce our adherence to the Arab destiny and our rejection of the aggression on Syria and the terrorism which is fueled by the Muslim Brotherhood who are supported by Turkey and its NATO partners.”

The statement demanded the interim government of Egypt to support Syria against the U.S. potential aggression, calling for restoring the Egyptian-Syrian relations on the highest levels.

The statement pointed out that the role played by Turkey stems from its membership in the NATO and its strategic relations with Israel which were revived by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The statement said, ” We hope that Erdogan remembers that he is not Sultan Abdul-Hamid and Egypt is not a state subordinate to his country either,” adding, ” Egypt is greater than being undermined by such a despicable person.”


The statement has been signed by the Movement of Defending the Republic, the Egyptian National Alliance, the National Initiative of the Positive Interaction and a number of popular figures.

http://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com/201 ... us-attack/
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby B25 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:25 pm

As regards to these comments:

The statement said, ” We hope that Erdogan remembers that he is not Sultan Abdul-Hamid and Egypt is not a state subordinate to his country either,” adding, ” Egypt is greater than being undermined by such a despicable person.”


You got to give it to them, for even they have identified Erdogan as being a complete prick. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where's VP, Stupider, Yfuck and the other morons who are so stuck up Turkeys arse. Yes the balance is changing slowing, but it is changing. Turkeys days are numbered.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:28 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:Egypt Will Give Full Support to Syria if US Attack

She added, “We clearly announce our adherence to the Arab destiny and our rejection of the aggression on Syria and the terrorism which is fueled by the Muslim Brotherhood who are supported by Turkey and its NATO partners.”

The statement demanded the interim government of Egypt to support Syria against the U.S. potential aggression, calling for restoring the Egyptian-Syrian relations on the highest levels.

The statement pointed out that the role played by Turkey stems from its membership in the NATO and its strategic relations with Israel which were revived by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The statement said, ” We hope that Erdogan remembers that he is not Sultan Abdul-Hamid and Egypt is not a state subordinate to his country either,” adding, ” Egypt is greater than being undermined by such a despicable person.”




I thought so, I was wondering when Egypt would enter the equation. The US and its allies have been drawn into the eastern med basin, trying to play a game of chicken and "chess". The opposition can play a game of "go", surround and annihilate them.

The worst place to be is bobbing up and down in the med, in Turkey ("TRNC"?), Israel and Syria (obviously).
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:55 pm

Syria: Obama Makes New Military Action Vow

The US has a plan to help Syria's rebels bring down the Assad regime after launching military strikes, President Obama has said.

Mr Obama said again that military action against Syria would be "limited" but suggested a strike would go further than simply punishing President Bashar al Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons.

The President said he was confident that Congress would vote in favour of military action and called for a prompt vote on the issue.

During a meeting of congressional leaders at the White House, he said: "What we are envisioning is something limited. It is something proportional. It will degrade Assad's capabilities.

"At the same time we have a broader strategy that will allow us to upgrade the capabilities of the opposition."

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/syria-obama-ma ... ml#04PliNi
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Obama must be out of his money throwing his support behind Al-Qaida.

I hope Congress does not approve any military action. What an absolute waste of time thinking that who ever or whatever replaces the present Syrian regime is going to be either democratic or just and fair.
America, don't be so ffff ing naïve and stupid. STAY OUT of Syria.
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