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[Paphitis]

I thought you said you were an airline pilot or cabin steward!!!
So when ate you moving there mate ?

I use to work for a company called Surveillance Australia which are now called Cobham.

When I was in Cobham we were setting up some platforms for the Royal Border Guards. It was a Cobham contract.

Cobham is an international company and even run 2 SAR helicopters for the British at RAF Akrotiri.

In Australia, they have the Largest Surveillance Company Contract on the planet, supplying 10 Surveillance Aircraft [DASH 8] to Australian Customs/Coastwatch.

I was working for Cobham for 6 years.

Cobham are also involved in the F-22 and F-35. But the specialty is air to air refuelling. They have a Billion dollar contract per year with the USAF alone.

[Robin Hood]

Miltiades:

" Hundreds of thousands"

Will that be 1 hundred 2 hundred 3 hundred thousand or more?
Mate you have allready well established your stupidity, no need to keep at it.
So you say there are hundreds of thousands of western families !!!

Maybe 5 hundred thousands ?

What a fucking idiot you turned out to be Genernal wewe.

It grieves me to say this but he is nearer than you appear to be Milti ...... but he is still way off the mark.

Of 9m workers in UAE around 8m of them are foreigner’s apparently. I have never been to the UAE so my ‘compound’ experience is in countries where the foreign workers at management level are a small minority. Also, the concept of ‘married status’ is all but dead .......... except in the military and with their contractors ....... as the military are the only employers that can afford it! It’s called socialism!

So maybe with figures like these it is easier to put the lower level workers in compounds ..... camps and, having seen these camps, I would never, never even go near one. They are frequently filthy and stinking ghettos, often just converted shipping containers!

Within the population of Emiratis the educated professional class is growing and ex-pats are being pushed out of the higher level jobs ........... along with their families.

[miltiades]

Robin, Im aware of the fact that the majority living in UAE is foreign
Rest assured that they have not decided to live there for any other reason than WORK, NOT quality of life.
Lybia also had a huge number of foreign workerds, not now that Gadafi has departed.

[Robin Hood]

Going by this we should look out for another fake 'Assad did it' chemical attack in Syria as the US coalition, and Israel, spools up for an excuse to escalate the situation.

Syria - New 'Chemical Weapons' Fake Planned - Chlorine Though Will Not Do - By Moon Of Alabama

During the seven years of the war on Syria several accusations were made that the government that it had used 'chemical weapons' against the attacking extremists. The Syrian government denied to have ever released any chemicals. The implausible to murky 'evidence' of such incidents always came from foreign paid propaganda groups and extremists on the ground. They were likely staged to incriminate the government and to thereby induce military attacks by foreign states.

We currently see several reports which in their combination look like preparations for of another fake 'chemical weapon' incident.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48806.htm

Did you know that if you can smell choline then you are not going to die from it or even suffer any significant symptoms? You can only smell it up to 3ppm and that cannot really effect a normal person? Ammonia is far worse!

[Paphitis]

Miltiades:

" Hundreds of thousands"

Will that be 1 hundred 2 hundred 3 hundred thousand or more?
Mate you have allready well established your stupidity, no need to keep at it.
So you say there are hundreds of thousands of western families !!!

Maybe 5 hundred thousands ?

What a fucking idiot you turned out to be Genernal wewe.

It grieves me to say this but he is nearer than you appear to be Milti ...... but he is still way off the mark.

Of 9m workers in UAE around 8m of them are foreigner’s apparently. I have never been to the UAE so my ‘compound’ experience is in countries where the foreign workers at management level are a small minority. Also, the concept of ‘married status’ is all but dead .......... except in the military and with their contractors ....... as the military are the only employers that can afford it! It’s called socialism!

So maybe with figures like these it is easier to put the lower level workers in compounds ..... camps and, having seen these camps, I would never, never even go near one. They are frequently filthy and stinking ghettos, often just converted shipping containers!

Within the population of Emiratis the educated professional class is growing and ex-pats are being pushed out of the higher level jobs ........... along with their families.

There are no compounds or camps in UAE. Most of the country is foreign that is true.

The Emirati Citizens are only 1.5 million people or 17% of the population. Most of them are gainfully employed by the Government.

The jobs no Emirati wants to do (labour, cleaning, taxi, some construction) are allocated to working migrants from India and Bangladesh.

There are also hundreds of thousands Western Professionals working in the UAE in business, Banking, Stock Markets, Health, Defence and of course Shipping and Oil and Gas Industries. The allowances are also quite massive. Working conditions are second to none.

there are 15,000 Greeks alone of which about 2,000 are Cypriots and I have not heard of many complaints from anyone. On the contrary, most Greeks think UAE is better than Greece and Cyprus as far as Services and Work are concerned. The community have also built their own church. And the average worker earns at least 10 times the average wage in Cyprus or Greece which is why they are there. A lot of Greek Engineers, builders and even Pilots are working in UAE. Some are in the Oil and Gas Industry.

Yes 8 million are foreigners but I would say at least 6 million of these are Indian and Bangladeshi (blue collar) while the remaining 2 million perhaps are Western Professionals (white collar) in many fields.

[Paphitis]

Robin, Im aware of the fact that the majority living in UAE is foreign
Rest assured that they have not decided to live there for any other reason than WORK, NOT quality of life.
Lybia also had a huge number of foreign workerds, not now that Gadafi has departed.

There are many who have chosen to live there for the quality of life which I may add is equal or even better than any Western Country.

Not only that, but Dubai is a play ground of the rich and famous. many Hollywood Stars have bought mansions there. Property prices are among the most expensive on the planet becase the UAE is a very desirable place to work and live.

Many Westerners are there for career. In other words, they will work in the UAE for 30 odd years and their children will be going to Private English Schools like American College.

I have a lot of friends and acquaintances there and no one is in a hurry to come back. Their children are probably going to finish uni there and work there as well. They too will probably work in Oil and Gas.

Just to put things in perspective. My friend was a Metropolitan Fire Chief in Australia on a fairly descent wicket in Australia and lived in a wealthy leafy suburb or in the upper crust. he is now the Dubai Fire Chief on 1.1 million USD per annum.

Sorry, but the UAE is an amazing country. Arab and Sunni, they put many countries to shame.

[Paphitis]

All up there must be at least 30,000 Greeks and Cypriots in the UAE. There are 15,000 in Abu Dhabi alone. In Abu Dhabi they are extremely organised and have their own Church and Community Centre.

In Dubai they are not so organized as yet but are getting there. There must be at least 15,000 there as well, maybe more.

Most Greeks will probably not be moving back to Greece or Cyprus. Not with the opportunities they have in the UAE.

It's only a 4.5 hour flight to Larnaca and just over 5 hours to Athens. Tickets are also very cheap.

So no, these Greeks are not moving back to Greece or Cyprus to grow Angourka. Their children are growing in UAE and being educated in UAE and as such will probably end up being partial to UAE. It is a beautiful place. With lots to do as well.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

There are no compounds or camps in UAE.

Why do you spoil an otherwise rational post with stupid claims you obviously have not checked out? I have never been to the UAE but ALL these ME countries have these labour camps. I have worked in four ME counties and I know because I have seen them. Their toilet facilities on site are also kept separate from the western ex-pat facilities as hygiene is not their strong point. You need a BA set to go within 50m of them and need to carefully calculate the wind direction when passing them. Believe me they DO have hundreds of these camps .......... it is just that tourists and transients like you never see them, you only see the posh areas..

Migrant Construction Workers in the UAE

The labourers’ housing facilities could not contrast more starkly with the often luxurious premises they are building in the UAE. Migrant construction workers often live in labour camps on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi or Dubai, segregated from the rest of society. Housing is often substandard, with cramped rooms containing bunk beds and few other facilities. During a visit to workers’ accommodations in central Abu Dhabi, researchers found 27 men living in two rooms. The men, who said they worked as painters on the New York University (NYU) site, shared two toilets, had to wash their work clothes in the bathroom, and had to store work tools and materials, including paint, in their rooms.

https://fanack.com/migrant-labour/migrant-construction-workers-in-the-uae/

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

There are no compounds or camps in UAE.

Why do you spoil an otherwise rational post with stupid claims you obviously have not checked out? I have never been to the UAE but ALL these ME countries have these labour camps. I have worked in four ME counties and I know because I have seen them. Their toilet facilities on site are also kept separate from the western ex-pat facilities as hygiene is not their strong point. You need a BA set to go within 50m of them and need to carefully calculate the wind direction when passing them. Believe me they DO have hundreds of these camps .......... it is just that tourists and transients like you never see them, you only see the posh areas..

Migrant Construction Workers in the UAE

The labourers’ housing facilities could not contrast more starkly with the often luxurious premises they are building in the UAE. Migrant construction workers often live in labour camps on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi or Dubai, segregated from the rest of society. Housing is often substandard, with cramped rooms containing bunk beds and few other facilities. During a visit to workers’ accommodations in central Abu Dhabi, researchers found 27 men living in two rooms. The men, who said they worked as painters on the New York University (NYU) site, shared two toilets, had to wash their work clothes in the bathroom, and had to store work tools and materials, including paint, in their rooms.

https://fanack.com/migrant-labour/migrant-construction-workers-in-the-uae/

What a load of nonsense. You are the one making stupid claims and you know it. When was the last time you went to the UAE? Do you know that more than 50 million tourists visit UAE every year? UAE is not the kind of country you have in mind and yes I got no problem at all living there. The tourism sector is almost exclusively run by Indian and Bangladeshi workers.

There are no compounds in UAE.

And the labour camps you talk about are nothing more than Rooms for let and Apartments on the fringes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi for itinerant workers from India and Bangladesh who have left their family at home and try to send the lion share of their income back home to support a wife and children or their elderly parents.

As such they don't want to pay high rent and therefore need to rent cheap.

There are no state labour camps etc etc. Anyone is free to rent in the same apartment blocks and there are many westerners which do as well.

https://www.bayut.com/to-rent/labour-camps/uae/

Like everywhere else, UAE is a free market. You rent wherever you like or can afford.

Sydney and Hong Kong are even worse. it's not uncommon for 6 or more people to get together in order to afford to rent an apartment even. Or 20 people sharing a house. Lowest Rent in Sydney is $1000 per week or $52,000 per annum or 38,000 Euros per annum. And that gets you into the outskirts where you might get shot at by Lebanese gangs. Dubai is similar and Dubai also has many itinerant Indian workers.

Most taxi drivers are Indian or Bangladeshi, and they earn about $2500 USD per month. That is a king's salary to them. Tell me how many people earn that in Cyprus? But most of these guys send their money back home and they live off the crumbs. I got to know the taxis of Dubai because every day I would be picked up by the same driver to go to work. And same driver would take me back home.

[Robin Hood]

Do you ever actually read others posts before you make even more stupid comments? Maybe Militi is right, you are friggin DUMB! You are your own worst enemy when it comes to creating a public persona.

Paphitis:

What a load of nonsense. You are the one making stupid claims and you know it. When was the last time you went to the UAE?

RH prev. comment - I have never been to the UAE but ALL these ME countries have these labour camps. I have worked in four ME counties and I know because I have seen them.

Paphitis:

UAE is not the kind of country you have in mind and yes I got no problem at all living there. The tourism sector is almost exclusively run by Indian and Bangladeshi workers.

They are not employed by a major employer but by individuals. They usually live in cheap apartments ..... often owned by their employer in areas where ONLY the lowest of the low would contemplate living.

There are no compounds in UAE.

ttps://fanack.com/migrant-labour/migrant-construction-workers-in-the-uae/ - If you actually read it .....Note: the guys worked in the construction industry ........ the Contractor (often a Western multinational) is contractually responsible for their accommodation and provision of food. Cost is a factor, so they give them what they can get away with ..... and that is virtually anything.

If you want better you pay for it. Example - A Cypriot friend’s son lives in Dubai, works as an actuary for an Intl. Bank and he pays over $3000 a month + services for a single bed studio flat in a reasonable area. Even on his very respectable salary and expenses, he cannot find anything bigger that he could afford and a villa is right out of the question.

There are no state labour camps etc etc. Anyone is free to rent in the same apartment blocks and there are many westerners which do as well.

Who said anything about ‘State’ ? Westerners unless they are maybe from the former Soviet block ( or Australians ), do not live in the same accommodation as Bangladeshi/Indian/Philipino migrant workers.


A bit of friendly advice .....if you want other members to respect you ...... BEFORE OPENING BIG MOUTH TRY READING THE MEMBERS POST AND THEN SWITCH ON BRAIN BEFORE COMMENTING ..... other wise you will continue to appear to be a complete Plonker!