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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:30 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Maximus wrote:And here is the coward opportunist, Davutoglu, lurching in the background, calculating the establishment of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Syria".

Turkey wants ‘to contribute to the establishment of a new Syria’

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey ... sCatID=338

No, IMO he's just trying to avoid another autonomous Kurdistani state, like Iraqi Kurdistan.

Eventually all Kurdistani states could unite and form an independent country (also on the expense of Turkish territory). :wink:


Yeah and replace it with an al qaeda, al nusra Islamist sharia state of Syria, AKA the "TRNS".
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Demonax » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:11 am

Britain won't be taking part then...

Obama strike plans in disarray after Britain rejects use of force in Syria

Barack Obama's plans for air strikes against Syria were thrown into disarray on Thursday night after the British parliament unexpectedly rejected a motion designed to pave the way to authorising the UK's participation in military action.

The White House was forced to consider the unpalatable option of taking unilateral action against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after the British prime minister, David Cameron, said UK would not now take part in any military action in response to a chemical attack in the suburbs of Damascus last week.

Although Britain's support was not a prerequisite for US action, the Obama administration was left exposed without the backing of its most loyal ally, which has taken part in every major US military offensive in recent years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/a ... itain-vote
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:24 am

Demonax wrote:Britain won't be taking part then...

Obama strike plans in disarray after Britain rejects use of force in Syria

Barack Obama's plans for air strikes against Syria were thrown into disarray on Thursday night after the British parliament unexpectedly rejected a motion designed to pave the way to authorising the UK's participation in military action.

The White House was forced to consider the unpalatable option of taking unilateral action against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after the British prime minister, David Cameron, said UK would not now take part in any military action in response to a chemical attack in the suburbs of Damascus last week.

Although Britain's support was not a prerequisite for US action, the Obama administration was left exposed without the backing of its most loyal ally, which has taken part in every major US military offensive in recent years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/a ... itain-vote


I wonder why? Did the UN findings show rebel doing? In that case, shouldn't they "punish" the rebels for the crime?
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:55 am

kimon07 wrote:I wonder why? Did the UN findings show rebel doing? In that case, shouldn't they "punish" the rebels for the crime?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... sads-regi/


Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad’s regime: U.N. officialTestimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.
Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.
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But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed.
Damascus has recently facing growing Western accusations that its forces used such weapons, which President Obama has described as crossing a red line. But Ms. del Ponte’s remarks may serve to shift the focus of international concern.
Ms. del Ponte, who in 1999 was appointed to head the U.N. war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, has sometimes been a controversial figure. She was removed from her Rwanda post by the U.N. Security Council in 2003, but she continued as the chief prosecutor for the Yugoslav tribunal until 2008.
Ms. del Ponte, a former Swiss prosecutor and attorney general, told Swiss TV: “Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals. According to their report of last week, which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated.”
She gave no further details, the BBC said.
The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria was established in August 2011 to examine alleged violations of human rights in the Syrian conflict which started in March that year.
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It is due to issue its next report to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva in June.
Rebel Free Syrian Army spokesman Louay Almokdad denied that rebels had use chemical weapons.
“In any case, we don’t have the mechanism to launch these kinds of weapons, which would need missiles that can carry chemical warheads, and we in the FSA do not possess these kind of capabilities,” Mr. Almokdad told CNN.
“More importantly, we do not aspire to have (chemical weapons) because we view our battle with the regime as a battle for the establishment of a free democratic state. … We want to build a free democratic state that recognizes and abides by all international accords and agreements — and chemical and biological warfare is something forbidden legally and internationally.”
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:54 am

DrCyprus wrote:
kimon07 wrote:I wonder why? Did the UN findings show rebel doing? In that case, shouldn't they "punish" the rebels for the crime?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... sads-regi/


Yes Thanks. I have seen and posted her statements a couple of days ago (see above).
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:49 am

Big opportunity for Erdogan now, to regain some of his status and prestige towards the USA. All he has to do is to announce publicly that he will support any military action to be undertaken by the US and that he will also commit troops or the TA.

And of course, at the same time he will reprimand harshly all other European hypocrites who show no consideration for the poor Syrian people and for democracy and who have abandoned their big friend and ally when he mostly needed them.

Turkey (may God forgive me) the champion of democracy, human rights, peace and regional stability.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:22 pm

Ungrateful bastards these Syrians aren’t they?

Fears Growing as Syrians Wait for U.S. Attack

For many civilians in Damascus, fear is the greatest burden as the threat of an international military strike on Syria looms.
By ANNE BARNARD and BEN HUBBARD
Published: August 29, 2013

BEIRUT, Lebanon — In a narrow alley in the old city of Damascus, a shopkeeper who opposes the Syrian government spent Thursday as usual, drinking coffee with the other merchants who keep him company in place of long-vanished tourists. But the calm on the cobblestone street, he said, could hardly mask the fear and ambivalence over an American military strike.

“Disorder, revenge. Sectarian violence,” he said in a text message, ticking off what he sees as the worst potential consequences of the missile strikes that American officials have threatened against President Bashar al-Assad’s government, which they blame for a deadly chemical attack last week.

In Damascus, as people stock up on food and water and the government closes central streets and moves troops and matériel into residential areas and schools, even staunch supporters of the uprising against Mr. Assad are divided on the looming attack.

Many here feel even a limited strike threatens to inject a new, unpredictable dynamic into a civil war that has largely spared their storied city. And some opponents of the government are loath to see direct American military intervention in their fight, fearful it will hijack and discredit the uprising they have waged for more than two years at great cost.

Though some called early on for NATO intervention, others said they wanted support and arms from Washington — not an attack by the American military.

We know what is best for our country,” said Fahad Darwish, 33, a supermarket worker in Damascus. “We don’t need the Americans to do it for us, and we will win this war by the Free Syrian Army,” he added, referring to the loose-knit rebel coalition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/world ... f=politics
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:43 pm

kimon07 wrote:Ungrateful bastards these Syrians aren’t they?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/world ... f=politics


Nevertheless, President Obama is determined to save them any way.

Obama Set for Limited Strike on Syria as British Vote No
Mohamed Abdullah/Reuters
Published: August 29, 2013

WASHINGTON — President Obama is prepared to move ahead with a limited military strike on Syria, administration officials said Thursday, despite a stinging rejection of such action by America’s stalwart ally Britain and mounting questions from Congress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/po ... 30830&_r=0

Lets see now!

The UN: Against
US Congress: Against
Britain: Against
Canada: Against
Australia: Against
Germany: Against
Egypt: Against
Saudi: Against.
Katar: Against
Russia: Against
China: Against
THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION: AGAINST.

Despite all that "....President Obama...." (this magnificent champion of world order) is "...set for...." turning the region into an inferno.

Do you think he will grab this oportunity to also bomb Turkey to force it to abide by the international "norms" in respect to Cyprus?
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:50 pm

"Who Are You To Decide That You Will Launch A War?"

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George Galloway speaks as The British House of Commons - August 29, 2013
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Get Real! » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:00 pm

kimon07 wrote:Katar: Against

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