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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Schnauzer » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:30 pm

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:12 pm

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Blimey, you're up early, Happy Christmas !. :lol:

You too mate! :)

A little observation though... you can only have one end mark to a sentence. I'm surprised you did this... :?



Oops :oops: , are you sure ?, I'll have to get my satchel out and get back to school to sort this one out!

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:17 pm

It is a tragedy when so many people die all in one go, which is generally what happens in a very deadly plane crashes and it's really no laughing matter who the victims were. So many people from all walks of life have all came together for them to all meet the same fate, is quite remarkable. Who would have ever thought that would happen to all these people. I sometimes do get surprised and shocked by Paphitis's comments, specially from someone who is so closely connected to aviation industry. It is almost sacrilegious to make such comments. I know Paphitis's views on Russia in general, but on this very special day of Christmas where all the families would be celebrating, are now left with pain and suffering over lost of loved ones. It is never OK to rejoice of such tragedy, and most definitely not on Christmas Day. Paphitis is still a good guy, just a little too much hate of anything Russia at the moment!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Schnauzer » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:06 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
Blimey, you're up early, Happy Christmas !. :lol:

You too mate! :)

A little observation though... you can only have one end mark to a sentence. I'm surprised you did this... :?



Oops :oops: , are you sure ?, I'll have to get my satchel out and get back to school to sort this one out!

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Best wishes for 2017 and, thanks for the tip. :lol:


Don't let a good relationship be ruined by poor punctuation, boys! :D



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Just for the Greeks :- "Καλά Χριστούγεννα και ευτυχισμένο το νέο έτος".

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:59 pm

Kikapu wrote:It is a tragedy when so many people die all in one go, which is generally what happens in a very deadly plane crashes and it's really no laughing matter who the victims were. So many people from all walks of life have all came together for them to all meet the same fate, is quite remarkable. Who would have ever thought that would happen to all these people. I sometimes do get surprised and shocked by Paphitis's comments, specially from someone who is so closely connected to aviation industry. It is almost sacrilegious to make such comments. I know Paphitis's views on Russia in general, but on this very special day of Christmas where all the families would be celebrating, are now left with pain and suffering over lost of loved ones. It is never OK to rejoice of such tragedy, and most definitely not on Christmas Day. Paphitis is still a good guy, just a little too much hate of anything Russia at the moment!


I'm not happy about so many people dieing in plane crashes. But there is nothing that can be done when your flying on an old Vodka Burner.

But the way I see it, is that Russia paid zero respect from the MH17 crash in Ukraine which they shot down. This was a civil plane. 231 civilians died in that one.

Also, the Russian Military has had a lot of accidents in the last 12 months. That indicates to me that their safety standards and their professionalism is below par and that perhaps their Government have little respect for the lives of their servicemen and women. Life is cheap and all that.

Contrast this with Western Countries. Not only do our countries respect the lives of our Pilots and Airmen, but we also respect our soldiers from Private and up. When they go to serve their country we want them to return home to their families in one piece. No expense is spared to buy the best equipment, and training, survival techniques and SAR.

We even guard against the possibility of a paper cut. That is the detail our soldiers are made to work to.

Personally, I just do not believe the Russians are up to scratch or anywhere near our standards. There rules of engagement are also extremely very loose compared to ours.

But yes, I agree that it is very sad that 90 odd families in Russia are having a very bad Xmas as I am sure the 230 families which lost loved ones on MH17 are as well as the 300,000 Aleppans ring cleansed from East Aleppo if they were to celebrate the Birth of Christ.

Evidence: contrast the losses Russia has had over Syria with all the aircraft of the Coalition over Syria AND Iraq. There is a quantum leap in standards between the 2 sides.

During these times of Christianity and the birth of Christ, people from all over the world owe the people of East Aleppo a few prayers. There are orphaned kids, some which are malnourished and have grotesque injuries and psychological disorders. Families have been ripped apart. Their properties dispossessed, their homes and lives destroyed and they will never be allowed to return. They are on their way to Idlib where many more will be exterminated. It's pretty much genocide but at least they can go to Turkey from Idlib, and from there to Greece and the EU.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:21 pm

Basically Russia trying to compete with countries they can't afford to compete with. Russia with a third of the GDP of Italy per capital let alone USA, Australia, UK, France etc

Therefore, people die!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:26 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
Blimey, you're up early, Happy Christmas !. :lol:

You too mate! :)

A little observation though... you can only have one end mark to a sentence. I'm surprised you did this... :?



Oops :oops: , are you sure ?, I'll have to get my satchel out and get back to school to sort this one out!

(sorted)

Best wishes for 2017 and, thanks for the tip. :lol:


Don't let a good relationship be ruined by poor punctuation, boys! :D



Kαλά Χριστούγεννα!!!!!!! :D

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Καλά Χριστούγεννα to you too. And to all forumers.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:43 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:It is a tragedy when so many people die all in one go, which is generally what happens in a very deadly plane crashes and it's really no laughing matter who the victims were. So many people from all walks of life have all came together for them to all meet the same fate, is quite remarkable. Who would have ever thought that would happen to all these people. I sometimes do get surprised and shocked by Paphitis's comments, specially from someone who is so closely connected to aviation industry. It is almost sacrilegious to make such comments. I know Paphitis's views on Russia in general, but on this very special day of Christmas where all the families would be celebrating, are now left with pain and suffering over lost of loved ones. It is never OK to rejoice of such tragedy, and most definitely not on Christmas Day. Paphitis is still a good guy, just a little too much hate of anything Russia at the moment!


I'm not happy about so many people dieing in plane crashes. But there is nothing that can be done when your flying on an old Vodka Burner.

But the way I see it, is that Russia paid zero respect from the MH17 crash in Ukraine which they shot down. This was a civil plane. 231 civilians died in that one.

Also, the Russian Military has had a lot of accidents in the last 12 months. That indicates to me that their safety standards and their professionalism is below par and that perhaps their Government have little respect for the lives of their servicemen and women. Life is cheap and all that.

Contrast this with Western Countries. Not only do our countries respect the lives of our Pilots and Airmen, but we also respect our soldiers from Private and up. When they go to serve their country we want them to return home to their families in one piece. No expense is spared to buy the best equipment, and training, survival techniques and SAR.

We even guard against the possibility of a paper cut. That is the detail our soldiers are made to work to.

Personally, I just do not believe the Russians are up to scratch or anywhere near our standards. There rules of engagement are also extremely very loose compared to ours.

But yes, I agree that it is very sad that 90 odd families in Russia are having a very bad Xmas as I am sure the 230 families which lost loved ones on MH17 are as well as the 300,000 Aleppans ring cleansed from East Aleppo if they were to celebrate the Birth of Christ.

Evidence: contrast the losses Russia has had over Syria with all the aircraft of the Coalition over Syria AND Iraq. There is a quantum leap in standards between the 2 sides.

During these times of Christianity and the birth of Christ, people from all over the world owe the people of East Aleppo a few prayers. There are orphaned kids, some which are malnourished and have grotesque injuries and psychological disorders. Families have been ripped apart. Their properties dispossessed, their homes and lives destroyed and they will never be allowed to return. They are on their way to Idlib where many more will be exterminated. It's pretty much genocide but at least they can go to Turkey from Idlib, and from there to Greece and the EU.


Listen my friend, nobody I know has ever gave "Hi 5's" when MH17 was shot down nor when thousands are killed in Syria, whether on this forum or elsewhere. One has nothing to do with the other. One is a political nightmare with many having blood on their hands and the other, an air disaster that could happen to any one of us who often fly each year. We can only control how we as an individual act regardless how others act towards the dead. All lives matter, specially the innocent. I know that you know this, so I don't need to say anymore on this topic, because that's how we think in the Western cultures. Happy New Year to you and your family.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:57 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:It is a tragedy when so many people die all in one go, which is generally what happens in a very deadly plane crashes and it's really no laughing matter who the victims were. So many people from all walks of life have all came together for them to all meet the same fate, is quite remarkable. Who would have ever thought that would happen to all these people. I sometimes do get surprised and shocked by Paphitis's comments, specially from someone who is so closely connected to aviation industry. It is almost sacrilegious to make such comments. I know Paphitis's views on Russia in general, but on this very special day of Christmas where all the families would be celebrating, are now left with pain and suffering over lost of loved ones. It is never OK to rejoice of such tragedy, and most definitely not on Christmas Day. Paphitis is still a good guy, just a little too much hate of anything Russia at the moment!


I'm not happy about so many people dieing in plane crashes. But there is nothing that can be done when your flying on an old Vodka Burner.

But the way I see it, is that Russia paid zero respect from the MH17 crash in Ukraine which they shot down. This was a civil plane. 231 civilians died in that one.

Also, the Russian Military has had a lot of accidents in the last 12 months. That indicates to me that their safety standards and their professionalism is below par and that perhaps their Government have little respect for the lives of their servicemen and women. Life is cheap and all that.

Contrast this with Western Countries. Not only do our countries respect the lives of our Pilots and Airmen, but we also respect our soldiers from Private and up. When they go to serve their country we want them to return home to their families in one piece. No expense is spared to buy the best equipment, and training, survival techniques and SAR.

We even guard against the possibility of a paper cut. That is the detail our soldiers are made to work to.

Personally, I just do not believe the Russians are up to scratch or anywhere near our standards. There rules of engagement are also extremely very loose compared to ours.

But yes, I agree that it is very sad that 90 odd families in Russia are having a very bad Xmas as I am sure the 230 families which lost loved ones on MH17 are as well as the 300,000 Aleppans ring cleansed from East Aleppo if they were to celebrate the Birth of Christ.

Evidence: contrast the losses Russia has had over Syria with all the aircraft of the Coalition over Syria AND Iraq. There is a quantum leap in standards between the 2 sides.

During these times of Christianity and the birth of Christ, people from all over the world owe the people of East Aleppo a few prayers. There are orphaned kids, some which are malnourished and have grotesque injuries and psychological disorders. Families have been ripped apart. Their properties dispossessed, their homes and lives destroyed and they will never be allowed to return. They are on their way to Idlib where many more will be exterminated. It's pretty much genocide but at least they can go to Turkey from Idlib, and from there to Greece and the EU.


Listen my friend, nobody I know has ever gave "Hi 5's" when MH17 was shot down nor when thousands are killed in Syria, whether on this forum or elsewhere. One has nothing to do with the other. One is a political nightmare with many having blood on their hands and the other, an air disaster that could happen to any one of us who often fly each year. We can only control how we as an individual act regardless how others act towards the dead. All lives matter, specially the innocent. I know that you know this, so I don't need to say anymore on this topic, because that's how we think in the Western cultures. Happy New Year to you and your family.


No one you know!

But the Russian Government were giving themselves high 5s and giving the middle index finger to Australia, Germany and Holland in particular.

Crash investigators were being shot at so they couldn't get to the crash site. There was no acknowledgement or even one iota of cooperation.

And on top of all that, during the G20, naval ships were sent down to threaten Australia over the very same issue - Abbott was to shirt front Pootin over MH17 because there were Aussie citizens on that plane.

That just goes to show the level of respect. And it is a very big reason why relations between Russia and other Western countries like Germany, Holland and Australia are very low to pretty much non-existent.

Well they were having high 5s. Just maybe, there will be a few high 5s in certain circles of the USA, Australia Germany and Holland too. But that won't be the official line in the public domain. There is a lot of hatred between our countries and zero respect. It's pulpable! It will take decades for any normality to develop and it won't happen under Pootin.

BTW the crashed plane was a stupid-154. It was 33 years old and it's last maintenance was back in September. That was 3 months ago! :shock:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:41 am

And, the world is in a lot of shit Kikapu and you might want to ask yourself who is responsible for this.

The USA and Russia are about to engage each other with an Arms Race - a Nuclear Arms race. Both countries already have enough Nuclear warheads to destroy the planet multiple times so I am not sure what they wish to achieve. These are dangerous times Kikapu.

I remember welcoming the Nuclear disarmament and control treaties between Reagan and Gorbachev. Those were good days.

Now I believe Australia needs to build its own arsenal to equip its wizbang new subs with.

We have also learned that Treaties mean nothing. International Law and mutual respect is non-existent. Only the big countries can have an impact through the barrels of their guns. That's where we are at.

UN is ineffective too. Terrorism is going to hit very hard, that soon, people will be scared to travel and congregate in big crowds. It is a war that can't be won. Don't let anyone tell you any different. It's all a lie.

Well terrorism can be defeated, but only if you address radicalization. Where are we addressing radicalization? Have we done this in Syria? No we have not. We have in actual fact helped radicalization and given DAESH a big boost to the point that they are going to be a major International network.

There is such a thing as Karma.

When people mention the war on terror, it is only for public consumption. Knocking out a few rebels and going for the military option all the way isn't going to address terrorism.
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