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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:10 pm

Get over yourselves! All of you!

Trump can't do the dirty on the rest of the Coalition. The USA is committed and it was committed many years ago when they decided to get involved in the Syria Crisis. He can't with any credibility now turn around to France, Australia, UAE, Jordan, and UK and say they will accept Assad to remain.

The USA will compromise its alliances, its international relations, and will never be taken seriously the next time he calls to ask for troops, aircraft or ships.

In addition, he will spark a massive arms race in the Asia Pacific as Australia will go Nuclear with its new Subs which can launch Cruise Missiles and ICBMs. These will likely be Nuclear Powered subs. And is that happens, Japan will follow then South Korea.

This is not where you want to go.

Australia relies on the US for it's Defence. Japan too. If anyone sees any Kink then it's on for young and old. Nuclear non proliferation is history.

Trump will of course not accept or assist Assad! Our forces will remain in Syria indefinitely! We will establish no fly zones over our Ground Forces in Borthern Syria by default and over time these areas will achieve de facto autonomy!

Syria has been destroyed by Assad. Embargoes will remain indefinately. Syria will never be able to exist as a Nation which isn't compromised like Cuba. Isolation is Syria's future.

Pootin knows this and the Coalition has received a number of indications from Pootin that he too is willing to negotiate transition. Pootin and the Coalition will decide.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:16 pm

Miltiades:
" Exodus as Syria rebels lose northeast Aleppo"

This is sheer madness, it is time the Western world announced to the rebels that their cause is doomed to fail, the killing and suffering of the Syrian people must now end.


I agree with your sentiments but, it’s not that easy to resolve is it? The West does not have a clue who these ‘rebels’ they support are! There is no line between the hundred or so terrorist groups ..... including the so called FSA. They are all one and have the same intent ..... depose Assad and create an Islamic state run on Sharia Law. Of Syrians, they represent a very small minority but that philosophy suits the West.

The West, just like they did in all the other regime change wars they have started, had no clue as to what came after their dishing out death and destruction. If chaos was the result they couldn’t give a sh*t all they needed was a figure in control, now matter how brutal, that they could pay millions of dollars to and make sure their commercial interests were looked after.

So telling them the obvious ...... they are all going to paradise ....... won’t stop them fighting! :roll:

The little boy with his head bleeding is no more than 7 - 8 years old, same age as my own grand son. It makes me so mad to see the continued suffering and killing of young innocent boys and girls. West, declare the war over, do not embolden further the rebels Tell them its all over.


That is why the press always show injured children .... it tugs at our heart strings, but not to those of the Islamists or those that support them. To them, the end justifies the means! :x

You also have to be very careful with these pictures that are promulgated in the MSM and the TV. Anything with the White Helmets involved is likely to be ‘false news’! Just today on BBC they showed a White Helmet rushing a young boy (3-4 years old) into an ambulance. He had apparently been dug out from a collapsed building , had blood under his nose and dust/dirt on his face and clothes. He looked bewildered more than hurt or upset and didn’t seem too keen on having an oxygen mask put over his face.

Looking at the picture closely, it was evident this was staged for the camera!!! Honestly! Just applying common sense; he was dusty and dirty but ......... although his hair was tussled it had no dust in it. I would say that was impossible after having been ‘dug’ from rubble. :roll:

Put sanctions on Assad's government and demand a return to peace. The rebels will NOT depose Assad, Stop now this inhumane atrocious war.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/1 ... 10047.html


Milti .... take what Boris Johnson was demanding in the link .... “.BJ ...called for an immediate ceasefire in Aleppo” ! My question to him would be ......”And then what?” Does Assad sit with his finger up his nose and wait for the problem to go away? It won’t go away, unfortunately it has to be driven out by force.

Remember, the UN guy (Mistra?) offered to act as a hostage and walk with these terrorists through escape routes out of Eastern Aleppo set up by Assad, even allowing them to leave with their weapons ........they refused. This would have negated the need for any more hostility and the needs of the trapped Syrian civilians could then be attended to.

Assad has opened up corridors for aid to get into Eastern Aleppo and every time these rebels have refused safe entry ........ so Assad/Russia can offer no guarantees. Not Assad’s fault ......... but the fault of these US coalition backed terrorists. :x

I honestly cannot see an answer that could be implemented ..... but your comments previously about certain uninvited foreigners getting out of Syria and letting Syria deal with its own problems, would be good start. :roll: :wink:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:22 pm

The Coalition has its position and can never compromise its stance.

Coalition does not accept the legitimacy of the regime which has no standing or credibility.

Trump has appointed Establishment Generals in his cabinet who will never in a million years would want to explain any backflip with French, British, Australian, UAE and Jordanian allies.

If he does then France, Australia, Britain go it alone. Between us there is a lot more firepower than Russia.

The values and commitment against war crimes and debauchery are not for sale under any circumstances.

Our presence in Syria is now long term.

Trump will never undermine America's alliances and friendships and the military establishment will never allow it either.

Australia has fought every single war alongside American soldiers for the last 100 years bar Grenada. The cultural, ethnic and government ties are immense! Trump will not dare make any stupid phone calls if he knows what's good for him.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:32 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Coalition has its position and can never compromise its stance.

Coalition does not accept the legitimacy of the regime which has no standing or credibility.

Trump has appointed Establishment Generals in his cabinet who will never in a million years would want to explain any backflip with French, British, Australian, UAE and Jordanian allies.

If he does then France, Australia, Britain go it alone. Between us there is a lot more firepower than Russia.

The values and commitment against war crimes and debauchery are not for sale under any circumstances.

Our presence in Syria is now long term.

Trump will never undermine America's alliances and friendships and the military establishment will never allow it either.

Australia has fought every single war alongside American soldiers for the last 100 years bar Grenada. The cultural, ethnic and government ties are immense! Trump will not dare make any stupid phone calls if he knows what's good for him.

Here you go again directing operations in Syria..Its all OVER mate.Assad stays, coalition goes!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:36 pm

Yeh! Well I would like to be a fly on the wall when Trump calls Coalition countries.

There is a little t more at stake here than just Syria and Trump isn't that stupid!

Coalition does not go! We stay. We have unfinished business in Syria. We also have a No Fly Sone to improve lament in the new year.

We do not leave unless there is a comprehensive settlement!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:52 pm

Paphitis wrote:Get over yourselves! All of you!

How about an admittance you got it all wrong with Aleppo and Assad's and Putin's successes to date. BTW: Haven't heard much about Mosul of late ..... is it all over like you predicted .... or am I getting my news that it has ground almost to a standstill in the suburbs, from the wrong sources ? :roll:

Trump can't do the dirty on the rest of the Coalition. The USA is committed and it was committed many years ago when they decided to get involved in the Syria Crisis. He can't with any credibility now turn around to France, Australia, UAE, Jordan, and UK and say they will accept Assad to remain.

The USA will compromise its alliances, its international relations, and will never be taken seriously the next time he calls to ask for troops, aircraft or ships.

In addition, he will spark a massive arms race in the Asia Pacific as Australia will go Nuclear with its new Subs which can launch Cruise Missiles and ICBMs. These will likely be Nuclear Powered subs. And is that happens, Japan will follow then South Korea.

This is not where you want to go.

Australia relies on the US for it's Defence. Japan too. If anyone sees any Kink then it's on for young and old. Nuclear non proliferation is history.

Trump will of course not accept or assist Assad! Our forces will remain in Syria indefinitely! We will establish no fly zones over our Ground Forces in Borthern Syria by default and over time these areas will achieve de facto autonomy!

Syria has been destroyed by Assad. Embargoes will remain indefinately. Syria will never be able to exist as a Nation which isn't compromised like Cuba. Isolation is Syria's future.

Pootin knows this and the Coalition has received a number of indications from Pootin that he too is willing to negotiate transition. Pootin and the Coalition will decide.


Well .... you've been all wrong so far ....... but the bluster and boasting hasn't changed.

Trump like all the potential leaders in Europe have realised how stupid their countries have been by making an enemy of Russia and have managed to create a bogey man that never existed. Now some are showing common sense and are prepared to work with Russia rather than against them. Trump won't give a toss about the hurting the feelings of you patsies, he will put America first.

Trump will support Assad by leaving him and Putin to solve the problem in Syria by not assisting those that have been fighting against him. Sorry mate but "Assad must go" is yesterdays war cry. The only cloud on that horizon is of course ..... Israel!

As for 'no-fly zones' ! In your dreams ..... once again it would be a war crime ........ it ain't your sky to say who can and cannot fly in it. It is Syrian air space ..... try throwing your weight about in that sky and you could find your asses severely kicked out of shape.

Why does Australia need nuclear weapons or even a fleet of nuclear powered submarines ...... who are you going to fight .... Aboriginals or maybe illegal immigrants? Your biggest and nearest threat is China .... not Russia .... upset them, the US will leave you to deal with it whilst they rush back to protect America.

Syria will be saved by Assad, with the help of Russia, Hezbollah and the Iranians. Syria has been destroyed by the US and its coalition ..... as much as anything by giving rise to Islamic fundamentalism in the first place ........ in Afghanistan. :x
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:56 pm

Once again! There is no withdrawal without a comprehensive settlement.

If there is a comprehensive settlement then that has the potential to change things, but until then, the Coalition's presence is guaranteed.

It is in Pootin's interests that a Comprehensive Settlement is achieved at the earliest opportunity. The longer we stay, the more likely Syria will be unrecognizable because we will subvert the country. And that could have dire consequences for Russia's interests!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:Once again! There is no withdrawal without a comprehensive settlement.

If there is a comprehensive settlement then that has the potential to change things, but until then, the Coalition's presence is guaranteed.

It is in Pootin's interests that a Comprehensive Settlement is achieved at the earliest opportunity. The longer we stay, the more likely Syria will be unrecognizable because we will subvert the country. And that could have dire consequences for Russia's interests!

You have a say in the matter?? :lol: :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:01 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Once again! There is no withdrawal without a comprehensive settlement.

If there is a comprehensive settlement then that has the potential to change things, but until then, the Coalition's presence is guaranteed.

It is in Pootin's interests that a Comprehensive Settlement is achieved at the earliest opportunity. The longer we stay, the more likely Syria will be unrecognizable because we will subvert the country. And that could have dire consequences for Russia's interests!

You have a say in the matter?? :lol: :lol:


Yes my country has a say in the matter! And a very substantial say at that. A say which America can't and will not ignore. If it does, it will be at America's and the world's peril.

We will have no choice but to also acquire Nuclear ICBMs as a deterrent to others and for our own Defence. 12 Shortfin Baracudas have already been ordered. A French Nuclear Submarine that can launch ICBMs.

There are bases, collaboration on intelligence, arms deals and the countries are ultra close. If Australia or any other ally has been taken on a wild goose chase then America loses everything. Why it won't happen!

We depend on them as a cornerstone of our Defence over a continent that is hard to defend. In return, we support them and give them so much money and material support so we don't have to spend $200 billion each year on arms and so our citizens can be given free universal health care and education instead.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:30 pm

Your country will do as told by the US. Trump will be the next President, he has more sense on the Syrian issue that all the other heads of the coalition.

Assad has won with the help of Russia. This dreadful war will soon come to an end.
The West fucked up badly, now tail between legs and goodbye Syrian so called rebels, Johadists is the true definition.
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