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[kurupetos]

It's not an opinion. It is a fact. War Crimes are being committed against Syrian Civilians by the now illegal and criminal "government" of Syria.

We do not recognize its authority or legitimacy. The coalition is in Syria without invitation and is fighting diplomatically to protect all the people of Syria, including Allepo. History will be Assad's judge and international law will catch up with him like it did for other war criminals in the past.

History will be kinder to the Coalition than it will be for Pootin and Assad. And we will also see him in The Hague.

The information is there for all to see. Your opinion is formed by whether you have the debauchery to tolerate mass murder of civilians which is systematic and deliberate with the use of Chemical Warfare.

if the job of the coalition was to protect the civilians, judguing by how many civilians have been killed and how many have left their homes and add to that how many properties have been damaged. i would say it has been a total disaster. pack up your bags and piss off the middle you assholes.

Turks will leave eventually.

[Paphitis]

It's not an opinion. It is a fact. War Crimes are being committed against Syrian Civilians by the now illegal and criminal "government" of Syria.

We do not recognize its authority or legitimacy. The coalition is in Syria without invitation and is fighting diplomatically to protect all the people of Syria, including Allepo. History will be Assad's judge and international law will catch up with him like it did for other war criminals in the past.

History will be kinder to the Coalition than it will be for Pootin and Assad. And we will also see him in The Hague.

The information is there for all to see. Your opinion is formed by whether you have the debauchery to tolerate mass murder of civilians which is systematic and deliberate with the use of Chemical Warfare.

if the job of the coalition was to protect the civilians, judguing by how many civilians have been killed and how many have left their homes and add to that how many properties have been damaged. i would say it has been a total disaster. pack up your bags and piss off the middle you assholes.

That has nothing to do with the Coalition.

This war started because Assad attacked peaceful demonstrators. We didn't get involved until recently and that was only to combat DAESH. The coalition has always been very careful to not attack civilians and DAESH were always using civilian shields. We would only attack DAESH on the fringes. It's counterproductive killing innocent civilians just to get a few terrorists which is why our strategy was more long term in breaking up DAESH financially and attacking them where we can.

We also don't target hospitals, aid workers or use Chemical Weapons.

Even if we left, it would only become easier for Assad and Pootin to criminally kill more civilians. At least whilst the coalition is present, they are held to account for their crimes on the international arena as we record and highlight the criminality with the assistance of the UN and NGO's as well as the Syrian People. We are at least trying to do something and had been fighting for ceasefire agreements where aid can get through but it never did.

It is however my view that the coalition isn't doing enough. These War Crimes are a serious issue and the fact that Assad has gotten away with these crimes and continues to commit such crimes is not only a sad indictment of the UN and international community, but also for the coalition that is trying to do something but isn't doing enough.

To find out what should be done, always ask an innocent child what they think when they happen to see a Syrian child being pulled from the rubble. That is invariably the correct answer! I for one take them VERY seriously and give their young minds a lot of cred!

[repulsewarrior]

FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE•Friday, 07 October, 2016
In Aleppo, thousands of people could die and the whole city may soon be destroyed unless rebel fighters retreat from the city and Syria and Russia call a halt to their aerial bombing campaign, the UN's Staffan de Mistura has said.

In a direct appeal to the three parties in the more than five-year-old conflict, the UN Special Envoy for Syria said that "the writing is on the wall" for Aleppo's civilians.

Some 275,000 civilians are besieged in eastern Aleppo which has become a key battleground between the Syrian government and opposition forces.

Among the rebels are between 900 and 1,000 former Al Nusra fighters who are now called Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

Unless they pull back from the city, UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura warned, the situation risked becoming "another Srebrenica" and even "another Rwanda" – a reference to past conflicts where civilians paid the highest price.

"The reality is, the writing on the wall, in front of us, if this continues to be the pattern at this rate, unless there is any major game-changer that may change the equation, this cruel, constant use of military activity, bombing, fighting, destruction in eastern Aleppo will continue."

In his appeal to the rebels, Mr de Mistura called on them to leave eastern Aleppo "in dignity" and with their weapons.

He also said he was prepared to accompany them as a guarantee of their safety.

The UN negotiator made a second appeal, this time to Syria and Russia, asking whether they were prepared to carry on using weapons that risked destroying the whole eastern city of Aleppo for the sake of eliminating the rebels.

At the Special Envoy's side, UN humanitarian task force co-chair Jan Egeland said that 861,000 Syrians are now besieged inside the country, nearly 400,000 more than in February.

[Robin Hood]

FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE•Friday, 07 October, 2016
In Aleppo, thousands of people could die and the whole city may soon be destroyed unless rebel fighters retreat from the city and Syria and Russia call a halt to their aerial bombing campaign, the UN's Staffan de Mistura has said.

In a direct appeal to the three parties in the more than five-year-old conflict, the UN Special Envoy for Syria said that "the writing is on the wall" for Aleppo's civilians.

Some 275,000 civilians are besieged in eastern Aleppo which has become a key battleground between the Syrian government and opposition forces.

Among the rebels are between 900 and 1,000 former Al Nusra fighters who are now called Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

Unless they pull back from the city, UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura warned, the situation risked becoming "another Srebrenica" and even "another Rwanda" – a reference to past conflicts where civilians paid the highest price.

"The reality is, the writing on the wall, in front of us, if this continues to be the pattern at this rate, unless there is any major game-changer that may change the equation, this cruel, constant use of military activity, bombing, fighting, destruction in eastern Aleppo will continue."

In his appeal to the rebels, Mr de Mistura called on them to leave eastern Aleppo "in dignity" and with their weapons.

He also said he was prepared to accompany them as a guarantee of their safety.

The UN negotiator made a second appeal, this time to Syria and Russia, asking whether they were prepared to carry on using weapons that risked destroying the whole eastern city of Aleppo for the sake of eliminating the rebels.

At the Special Envoy's side, UN humanitarian task force co-chair Jan Egeland said that 861,000 Syrians are now besieged inside the country, nearly 400,000 more than in February.

Larof has said he will support this move and will convince Assad to agree. Assad has already agreed to an amnesty for those that lay down their arms. Of course this will not suit the US as it means Assad will have achieved what he and Russia said they would do and clear Aleppo of terrorists. Then there will be no more need for military action ... at least in Aleppo.

Now let's watch Kerry and the US drag their feet on this one ..... and that will show just how committed to peace the US really is! Don't hold your breath .... the US will find some excuse to avoid this and no doubt blame Russia!

https://www.rt.com/news/361911-russia-nusra-aleppo-arms/

[Paphitis]

I don't think anyone will be laying down their arms. That wasn't even the proposal which will need to be endorsed by the coalition and the rebels. Although, we are in favour of getting the civilians out to safety. We do not recognize assad's authority in offering amnesty and neither will our signature be on any paper with such an offer being made by a war criminal. We do not trust war criminals. The Regime's "offers" are not worth the paper they are written on. Someone who tortures 10,000 of their own citizens is not someone we will be dealing with. Someone who has bombed these civilians with chlorine gas will never be allowed to preside over the victims. The victims don't want to be governed by assad!

They will be going to kurdish Controlled areas where they will be protected by the Coalition. That's if they accept. Which is extremely unlikely.

We will be taking many of the Sunni civilians with us as well because most will not want to be under assad's control.

population exchange if you will. partition too!

[Robin Hood]

I don't think anyone will be laying down their arms. That wasn't even the proposal which will need to be endorsed by the coalition and the rebels. Although, we are in favour of getting the civilians out to safety. We do not recognize assad's authority in offering amnesty and neither will our signature be on any paper with such an offer being made by a war criminal. We do not trust war criminals. The Regime's "offers" are not worth the paper they are written on. Someone who tortures 10,000 of their own citizens is not someone we will be dealing with. Someone who has bombed these civilians with chlorine gas will never be allowed to preside over the victims. The victims don't want to be governed by assad!

They will be going to kurdish Controlled areas where they will be protected by the Coalition. That's if they accept. Which is extremely unlikely.

We will be taking many of the Sunni civilians with us as well because most will not want to be under assad's control.

population exchange if you will. partition too!

What a load of old cobblers you spout.

Those that have managed to flee your terrorist controlled areas went into the Government controlled areas. An election in the government controlled areas gave Assad their overwhelming support as their chosen President and that included the majority of Sunni's, Christians and Orthodox Christians. I don't know where you get all these fanciful ideas from because you never disclose your sources. Therefore I can only assume you are mentally deranged because without any doubt at all you live in a complete fantasy world!

[Paphitis]

No one is rushing to flee Aleppo! You are deluded and yes, the Sunnis fear the regime which is why they remain.

If there is a deal, we will take the rebels and any civilians that want to come along to our safe havens for protection. No one is forced to do anything. And you can bet your bottom dollar that many will come, if not all.

What will not occur is the disarmament of the rebels.

And on top of that, the Coalition does not control these rebels. We asked the group a while ago to hand over any former Al Nusra fighters and they declined. In addition, the rebels have not agreed to anything.

We are however in support of the removal of the civilians if they want to come, but they will go to Kurdish areas where the coalition can be sure of their safety.

We do not accept any assurances from Assad nor do we recognize his legitimacy. There will be no agreements between the Coalition and the Assad regime. We do not make deals with War Criminals.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

No one is rushing to flee Aleppo! You are deluded and yes, the Sunnis fear the regime which is why they remain.

They can’t flee ... your terrorist kill them if they try and any that do make it through to the relative safety of government controlled western Aleppo do so at the risk of terrorist reprisals on their families.

If there is a deal, we will take the rebels and any civilians that want to come along to our safe havens for protection. No one is forced to do anything. And you can bet your bottom dollar that many will come, if not all.

What you suggest is of no significance. The UN deal is for the terrorists and their families. It is a UN arrangement that Russia and Assad will support unconditionally ...... as for the US, we are still waiting for them to agree. Then it will be put to the terrorists, if they refuse to accept ........ the assault goes on to its inevitable conclusion .... the total destruction of YOUR terrorists.

What will not occur is the disarmament of the rebels.

You should try reading these documents before making stupid comments...... the terrorists will be allowed to leave WITH their weapons!

And on top of that, the Coalition does not control these rebels. We asked the group a while ago to hand over any former Al Nusra fighters and they declined. In addition, the rebels have not agreed to anything.

There is no difference between your terrorists and Al-Nusra terrorists they are one and the same.

So you support them and arm them but have no control over them? That really inspires confidence in the competence of the US and their numerous allies!!! You give them weapons like TOW’s, MANPADS, rocket launchers, cluster bombs and chemical weapons ..... but have NO CONTROL over them? Just about says it all really!

We are however in support of the removal of the civilians if they want to come, but they will go to Kurdish areas where the coalition can be sure of their safety.

Assad has set up several corridors for the exit of civilians in the past and every time your terrorist shell the route or use the civilians as targets for their snipers. What happened to the principal of self determination? I assume you will reject any civilians that wish to go to the government controlled areas?

We do not accept any assurances from Assad nor do we recognize his legitimacy. There will be no agreements between the Coalition and the Assad regime. We do not make deals with War Criminals.

It's not YOUR shout! YOU don’t have a say! This is a UN initiative which Assad/Russia/Iran/Hezbollah are all supporting, as a means to ending the bloodshed without YOUR terrorists having to surrender.

So far, any sign of support from the US has not been forth coming. No doubt Kerry is busy draughting his alternative plan ...... which will be rejected anyway. But as you have no control or influence over YOUR terrorists, why would anyone need your input anyway?

[Paphitis]

No the rebels are not killing them. they are discouraging any who want to leave but they do not kill anyone. Civilians are also very fearful of leaving into the hands of Hezbollah or the Regime.

Hesbollah and the Regime have a track record of killing them. They bomb them and use Chlorine gas against them. Not many would want to surrender themselves to the soldiers committing these atrocities let alone SHIA Militias.

We do not recognize Assad's authority. Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation. We do not make any deals with terrorists or war criminals.

You will need to take Aleppo by force I'm afraid.

if the civilians want to leave, they will be leaving through the back door and into Kurdish hands, not Hesbollah or the regime's hands.

Or, Pootin can agree to grant them safe passage under Coalition Air cover into Kurdish areas.

The Rebels won't surrender or lay down their weapons. if they wish to retreat, they are welcome to as well into Kurdish hands where they can regroup.

the Coaloition will assist any civilians wanting to leave under our cover and under the protection of the Kurds.

[miltiades]

Western poll: Assad supported by most Syrians "

In the view of Syrians, the country’s president, Bashar al Assad, and his ally, Iran, have more support than do the forces arrayed against him, according to a public opinion poll taken last summer by a research firm that is working with the US and British governments. [1]

The poll’s findings challenge the idea that Assad has lost legitimacy and that the opposition has broad support.

The survey, conducted by ORB International, a company which specializes in public opinion research in fragile and conflict environments, [2] found that 47 percent of Syrians believe that Assad has a positive influence in Syria, compared to only 35 percent for the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and 26 percent for the Syrian Opposition Coalition.
https://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/wes ... t-syrians/