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[Paphitis]

Why don't we ask the forum members if they agree with your assessments ?
I will start a poll

Yes we all know that you're a drama queen.

And it is typical of your turncoat antics. You are like Turkey, only starting things they know they will win and you just asked in a Cypriot forum whether Cypriots agree with my assessment about Turkey in Syria.

Nice one dingbat, but you have as much credibility as Pootin. In fact, no one can accuse Pootin of being a turn coat.

[Kikapu]

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

Then I don't know why Turkey and the Saudis haven't already declared victory in Syria long long time ago if your assessment is correct?

The moment Turkey and Saudis attack the Russian forces in Syria, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia will also become targets deep in their countries to Russian ballistic missiles from Greater Russia. Once again, NATO won't be able to help Turkey at all. If Turkey want's to start a fight with the Russians on their own with the Saudis, then they will need to also defend themselves on their own.

As for TAF, they will be picked off 5 at a time with the Russian S300/S400's over Syria. Does Turkey want to bet it all just to try to get rid of Assad? Really? Then again, Erdogan is quite mad, so anything is possible, which will be music to the ears of the USA, EU, Russia, Kurds and Armenia to see the break-up of Turkey.

[Paphitis]

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

Then I don't know why Turkey and the Saudis haven't already declared victory in Syria long long time ago if your assessment is correct?

The moment Turkey and Saudis attack the Russian forces in Syria, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia will also become targets deep in their countries to Russian ballistic missiles from Greater Russia. Once again, NATO won't be able to help Turkey at all. If Turkey want's to start a fight with the Russians on their own with the Saudis, then they will need to also defend themselves on their own.

As for TAF, they will be picked off 5 at a time with the Russian S300/S400's over Syria. Does Turkey want to bet it all just to try to get rid of Assad? Really? Then again, Erdogan is quite mad, so anything is possible, which will be music to the ears of the USA, EU, Russia, Kurds and Armenia to see the break-up of Turkey.

Do you really think so.

Whoah Kikapu, a Ballistic Missile attack on Turkey is the stuff Article 5 is meant for.

I don't think so Kikapu. Try again!

Pootin can never attack Turkey or Greece, or Italy or any other member of NATO unless of course they want the USA to attack Mother Russia with Ballistic Missiles.

That's WW3!

[Kikapu]

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

Then I don't know why Turkey and the Saudis haven't already declared victory in Syria long long time ago if your assessment is correct?

The moment Turkey and Saudis attack the Russian forces in Syria, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia will also become targets deep in their countries to Russian ballistic missiles from Greater Russia. Once again, NATO won't be able to help Turkey at all. If Turkey want's to start a fight with the Russians on their own with the Saudis, then they will need to also defend themselves on their own.

As for TAF, they will be picked off 5 at a time with the Russian S300/S400's over Syria. Does Turkey want to bet it all just to try to get rid of Assad? Really? Then again, Erdogan is quite mad, so anything is possible, which will be music to the ears of the USA, EU, Russia, Kurds and Armenia to see the break-up of Turkey.

Do you really think so.

Whoah Kikapu, a Ballistic Missile attack on Turkey is the stuff Article 5 is meant for.

I don't think so Kikapu. Try again!

Pootin can never attack Turkey or Greece, or Italy or any other member of NATO unless of course they want the USA to attack Mother Russia with Ballistic Missiles.

That's WW3!

Do you wonder why NATO pulled out their Patriot missiles out of Turkey last year which were based along the Syria/Turkey border?

Maybe because NATO didn't want to be forced into defending Turkey from the Russians if and when Erdogan went crazier than he already is.

Forget about Article 5 if Turkey want's to play Rambo with Russia on her own.

[Paphitis]

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

Then I don't know why Turkey and the Saudis haven't already declared victory in Syria long long time ago if your assessment is correct?

The moment Turkey and Saudis attack the Russian forces in Syria, then Turkey and Saudi Arabia will also become targets deep in their countries to Russian ballistic missiles from Greater Russia. Once again, NATO won't be able to help Turkey at all. If Turkey want's to start a fight with the Russians on their own with the Saudis, then they will need to also defend themselves on their own.

As for TAF, they will be picked off 5 at a time with the Russian S300/S400's over Syria. Does Turkey want to bet it all just to try to get rid of Assad? Really? Then again, Erdogan is quite mad, so anything is possible, which will be music to the ears of the USA, EU, Russia, Kurds and Armenia to see the break-up of Turkey.

Do you really think so.

Whoah Kikapu, a Ballistic Missile attack on Turkey is the stuff Article 5 is meant for.

I don't think so Kikapu. Try again!

Pootin can never attack Turkey or Greece, or Italy or any other member of NATO unless of course they want the USA to attack Mother Russia with Ballistic Missiles.

That's WW3!

Do you wonder why NATO pulled out their Patriot missiles out of Turkey last year which were based along the Syria/Turkey border?

Maybe because NATO didn't want to be forced into defending Turkey from the Russians if and when Erdogan went crazier than he already is.

Forget about Article 5 if Turkey want's to play Rambo with Russia on her own.

No I don't wonder about that at all. Patriots are only a very minor part, and they have their faults and are not needed. The media beat the Patriot up quite a bit like the S400.

Most countries don't even buy Patriot - Australia and Canada among them. Do you ever wonder why that is so?

Article 5 is very real and I am sure Pootin will not be forgetting about it at all. And I don't think Turkey will be playing on its own. It will drag Saudi Arabia, QATAR, UAE and Jordan with it and I am sorry but that is something NATO or the USA can't ignore. Article 5 is very much alive and kicking.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Article 5 is very real and I am sure Pootin will not be forgetting about it at all. And I don't think Turkey will be playing on its own. It will drag Saudi Arabia, QATAR, UAE and Jordan with it and I am sorry but that is something NATO or the USA can't ignore. Article 5 is very much alive and kicking.

But you cannot just pick-and-chose what is convenient to the argument and disregard other Articles of the Charter which specifically run counter to the intent!

The North Atlantic Treaty - Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949

Article #1: ....... and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

Like attacking Syria without reason. I am afraid because I am losing the battle and they have upset my plans ..... is NOT a valid reason, it is an act of War!

Article #3: .......... will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Not if it was a NATO member acting contrary to Art. #1 that initiated the attack and the attacker was retaliating against an aggressive member of NATO acting in breach of that Treaty!

Article #4: ........... the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

But nobody has or is, threatening Turkey ......... it is Turkey doing all the threatening and Putin has warned them that he will retaliate. The US has also warned Erdogan to back-off.

Article #5: The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

And you think this gives Turkey carte blanche to attack another country and then plead foul when that country or its allies, retaliate against a NATO member who has disregarded all the preceding articles, all warnings, the UN Charter and International Law?

I don't think that will wash!

[Paphitis]

RH, I Believe the USA and its Coalition allies had Carte Blanche to legitimately declare a No Fly Zone in Syria and they would have UN Support in doing so. Few will argue with that other than Russia. We will leave China out for a second. The reason is that they can be bought.

Now, the reason while this action would achieve huge international support, is because the Assad regime has committed many crimes. In addition to this, the Rebels have every right to their share of the Syrian Government, which has been denied to them for decades in the sectarian based criminal Assad "Government"

Obama lacked leadership. Now, if Obama did that and Pootin attacked our aircraft, then we will attack him. Which is why the gig would be up for Pootin because there is no way he would engage an American aircraft. Now, if Turkey and Saudi Arabia invade Syria, and they prove to be unable to cope, something I doubt very much, and Pootin attacks KSA or Turkey then that is an act of war as far as we are concerned (NATO, Coalition).

The end result would inevitably be negotiations and we would be a step closer to transition.

We do not recognize the Assad Government. We do not have diplomatic connections in any form, and for as long as he remains, we will never trade or communicate with this terrorist much in the same way as we do not communicate with North Korea. Quite literally, he does not exist!

He is a War Criminal. We will only acknowledge him when he is on the stand in The Hague.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

RH, I Believe the USA and its Coalition allies had Carte Blanche to legitimately declare a No Fly Zone in Syria and they would have UN Support in doing so. Few will argue with that other than Russia. We will leave China out for a second. The reason is that they can be bought.

So why didn't they and who gave them this 'carte blanche' or was it self awarded ? Maybe because they had neither the agreement of the Syrian government or the UN ? As Russia has a veto, the US knew full well that they would never get a UN Mandate. To self declare a no fly zone would be an act of war.

Now, the reason while this action would achieve huge international support, is because the Assad regime has committed many crimes. In addition to this, the Rebels have every right to their share of the Syrian Government, which has been denied to them for decades in the sectarian based criminal Assad "Government"

Crimes? Where is the proof???? It was a secular government not a sectarian government.There is no proof ....... it is all hot air!

Syria has always had an active political opposition, unlike all the coalitions partners like Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain. Oman etc all of whom are dictatorships and do not allow an opposition! Your 'rebels' have no rights they are terrorists trying to overthrow a legitimate and elected government.

You applaud the US supporting rebels that are trying to overthrow a legal government, by force of arms but, when it comes to Ukraine, where a part of the population is threatened and attacked by a government put into power by a foreign inspired coup ........ yet you condemn Russia for giving them some support. Isn't that just a bit hypocritical?

Obama lacked leadership. Now, if Obama did that and Pootin attacked our aircraft, then we will attack him. Which is why the gig would be up for Pootin because there is no way he would engage an American aircraft.

I doubt the US would ever put itself in that position! Remember the US only attacks countries that are weak and defenceless and would not risk putting themselves in a position where the victim could fight back.

Now, if Turkey and Saudi Arabia invade Syria, and they prove to be unable to cope, something I doubt very much, and Pootin attacks KSA or Turkey then that is an act of war as far as we are concerned. (NATO, Coalition).

'As far as we are concerned' ????? If Turkey attacks Syria it is an act of war ..... if Syria/Russia were to retaliate it is in self defence. THAT is International Law and complies fully with the UN Charter. That is the way the rest of the World, apart from the US/NATO and their rather dubious gaggle of allies, will see it as well.

The end result would inevitably be negotiations and we would be a step closer to transition.

Forget transition! The Syrian people, not the US or NATO or Russia or Saudi or any other country will make that decision.

This illegal obsession of the US pursuing their desire for 'Regime Change' at any cost, has caused thousands of deaths and millions to flee the country ........ not Russia or Putin. There is little or no support for what your rebels are offering the Syrian people. They want the 'good old secular days back, not another Islamic State ...... the US don't give a shit about the Syrians, it's all about the Petro Dollar, reigning in their independent Central Bank and keeping Israel happy!

We do not recognize the Assad Government.

But you recognise the Ukraine Government who took power through an illegal coup, instigated, encouraged and implemented by a foreign government (USA)?

We do not have diplomatic connections in any form, and for as long as he remains, we will never trade or communicate with this terrorist much in the same way as we do not communicate with North Korea. Quite literally, he does not exist!

Diplomatic connection or not is your choice! He will remain .... get used to it. You've got it arse about face again ..... the terrorists are your armed 'opposition' according to the accepted definition of a 'terrorist'. Oh, but he does exist and very much so, as is confirmed by the US wishing to see him removed from power but are willing to take any old Jihadist who will dance to their tune ........ i.e. can be bought for a few million dollars! ........ Assad did not capitulate the their demands just like Saddam and Ghadaffi before him ..... and we know how you treated them!!!!!

He is a War Criminal. We will only acknowledge him when he is on the stand in The Hague.

Again ..... where is the evidence? There are many in the queue before they get round to putting Assad in the dock, many of them your western leaders and their cohorts.

[Kikapu]

If you watched Hardtalk on BBC tonight with Stephen Sackur interviewing the spokeswoman for the Syrian Opposition, and I hope it will be on Youtube soon to be posted here, according to Stephen Sackur, the game is all but over for the opposition in Syria with Assad remaining and Russia dictating the outcome and the spokeswoman all but agreed with him. Once the Russians/Assad deal a blow to the opposition, give part of Syria to the PYD, then they will take on the ISIS and whomever else who might want to play hero by invading Syria illegally.

You can listen to or download the above Hardtalk show here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03j2q6h

[miltiades]

No long winded delving into the Syrian conflict. Let this old timer state what I consider as the outcome.

The Syrian legitimate forces will in a matter of days capture Aleppo. Raqqa next within 3 months, Russia and Syria will then turn their attention to Daesh that should have been annihilated long ago.

Syria will return to peace and stability by the end of this year, thanks to Russian intervention.
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