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[Paphitis]

After reading the articles posted before, one would never think that Turkey is NATO's second largest military force. For years on this forum we were told Turkey can kick anyone's butt because of her military might. We were even told recently that Turkey could invade Russia within 3 days if I'm not mistaken. Well, here is a little bit of Russia right next door in Syria and Turkey can't do anything about it. She can't even fly her jets anywhere near the Syrian border. Turkey with her army of 800,000 troops, thousands of tanks, 2,000 fighter jets (OK, most are dilapidated F-4 Phantoms from the 50's which seems to fall apart on their own in the air with TAF) and thousands of that weapon and thousands of this weapons. Turkey has weapons coming out of her butts, and yet, they are looking at others to lead the way into Syria and not do it alone. I think this is a disgrace and very cowardly of Turkey not taking the initiative to act on their own if they believe even 10% of the rhetoric shit it's leaders are sprouting. Many always questioned Turkey's ability to fight a real war despite all the machoism from Turkey. In actuality, Turkey has shown itself to be a very scared and cowardly country and has no balls. Turkey in the last 90 years has been nothing but an opportunist and has been riding others coattails to achieve anything at all. I can see Turkey going down from here on, because they have shown to the world that they are all talk and no show. For God sake, even the ragtag YPG's and PKK are not afraid of Turkey.

As for this quote from the munchkin Davutoglu, it is so funny, because the Turks have been exploiting the Kurds for the last 90+ years. But that's OK, as long as others does not "exploit" them with a promise of their own state in the end.
What has Turks done for the Kurds in Turkey for the last 90+ years? That was a rhetorical question!

“In the face of all of these provocations, I’m calling on beyond Syria, beyond Iraq and everywhere. Nobody should attempt to exploit the Kurds. The Kurds’ state, patron and protector is the state of the Republic of Turkey.”

People say all kinds of silly things.

The notion that Turkey can invade Russia is one of those silly things. We they can invade, but NATO won't come to their rescue for complete and utter stupidity and Turkey will be defeated.

The other notion that is common on this forum is the one where Pootin will easily defeat Turkey in Syria. That is a very BIG statement. I believe the balance favors Turkey considerable and that Russia will be in a world of hurt if there is ever direct conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria and that it is very likely that Russia will be defeated and embarrassed.

[Paphitis]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Turkey, or rather Erdogan, decided on unilateral military action with ground troops hoping that the USA and allies would subsequently join in.

This could please the likes of GP ( General Plonker )" orgasmically "

There is not a chance in hell that the USA would come to Turkeys aid, they may quietly bemuse themselves but they have no stomach to enter Syria with ground troops, America will stand by and watch the Russians annihilate Turkish troops.

If Erdogan goes into Syria unilaterally because he is now seen as a big joke for a leader without balls and wants to prove something, his name will be changed to George Armstrong Custer II with his last stand at "Little Allepo"!

Ridiculous statements like these.

And on what basis do you believe that it will be his last?

The Royal Jordanian Air Force has Pootin's measure, let alone Turkey. Unfortunately for Pootin, fortunately for the Coalition, these are the true facts.

USA involvement gives any intervention like this great credibility politically and an extreme deterrent against Russia from even contemplating any action against the intervention. But in reality, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE and Qatar are more than enough to embarrass Pootin greatly.

[Paphitis]

If you watched Hardtalk on BBC tonight with Stephen Sackur interviewing the spokeswoman for the Syrian Opposition, and I hope it will be on Youtube soon to be posted here, according to Stephen Sackur, the game is all but over for the opposition in Syria with Assad remaining and Russia dictating the outcome and the spokeswoman all but agreed with him. Once the Russians/Assad deal a blow to the opposition, give part of Syria to the PYD, then they will take on the ISIS and whomever else who might want to play hero by invading Syria illegally.

What they can't wage their Asymmetric Urban Warfare?

Why is that? They will just go and buy a picket fence house now in downtown Aleppo of Damascus and apply for a Public Service Job in the Syrian Public Sector? You're dreaming I'm afraid.

[Robin Hood]

If you watched Hardtalk on BBC tonight with Stephen Sackur interviewing the spokeswoman for the Syrian Opposition, and I hope it will be on Youtube soon to be posted here, according to Stephen Sackur, the game is all but over for the opposition in Syria with Assad remaining and Russia dictating the outcome and the spokeswoman all but agreed with him. Once the Russians/Assad deal a blow to the opposition, give part of Syria to the PYD, then they will take on the ISIS and whomever else who might want to play hero by invading Syria illegally.

What they can't wage their Asymmetric Urban Warfare?

Why is that? They will just go and buy a picket fence house now in downtown Aleppo of Damascus and apply for a Public Service Job in the Syrian Public Sector? You're dreaming I'm afraid.

I watched the same interview on Hardtalk and Kikapu is correct. The battle for Aleppo is over, except for a few pockets of terrorists. These terrorist are trying to escape by hiding in with the refugees but over and over again they are being identified and turned over to Syrian forces by their victims ..... the Syrian people. The SAA with the assistance of not only Russia but Iran and Hezbolah have pulled victory from the jaws of defeat and this has embarrassed the US. When you are a self declared 'exceptional and indispensable Super Power' it is very difficult to admit defeat. The US is trying to save face ....... and Russia and Assad HAVE embarrassed them.

A few months ago, before Russia entered the conflict, there were thoudands of refugees, supposedly fleeing Assad and now the people who remained are praising the SAA, their allies and Russia. I have always refuted your wild claims that they were fleeing Assad and said that they were fleeing conflict. This is now being proved true and the people are, in the main, loyal to Assad ...... to show this in the MSM would clearly indicate that the US accusations against Assad are patently untrue and is another US embarrassment.

So the US and their Opposition Activists (read 'Terrorists') have now changed tactics. To anyone with a brain it would be obvious that Russia would not bomb hospitals and schools, they are winning hands down for Christ's sake, why screw that up by committing war crimes. Watch the western news media ..... the information is all coming from 'opposition activists' , (that is the latest in a succession of name changes ..... they were your 'moderates' before!).... via your old friend at The Observatory of Human Rights. A spokeswoman from one of the hospitals involved even said that they were shelled, most MSM articles now report 'missiles' like the 'missiles' the Israeli's always claim Palestinians fire at a Israel ...... ground to ground and often home made, rockets!!

But these Russians, according to these OA videos have a new weapon ...... cluster bombs that disperse at 90 deg. to the flight path ..... oooop's , I mean if you are going to lie at least try and make the lie plausible!

Assad said 'opposition' is a political term and that when the 'opposition' carries a weapon and fights to everhrow the Government ........then they are terrorists. He's right of course. Russia has said from the very start of their involvement that would attack ALL terrorists! I wonder how Cameron would feel if Russia was arming the 'Corbyn moderate opposition' in the UK and demanding Cameron stood down ...... or apply the same scenario to the US? What would they do ...... sit round a table and have a cost little chat as to how to award them what they were demanding.

[Kikapu]

After reading the articles posted before, one would never think that Turkey is NATO's second largest military force. For years on this forum we were told Turkey can kick anyone's butt because of her military might. We were even told recently that Turkey could invade Russia within 3 days if I'm not mistaken. Well, here is a little bit of Russia right next door in Syria and Turkey can't do anything about it. She can't even fly her jets anywhere near the Syrian border. Turkey with her army of 800,000 troops, thousands of tanks, 2,000 fighter jets (OK, most are dilapidated F-4 Phantoms from the 50's which seems to fall apart on their own in the air with TAF) and thousands of that weapon and thousands of this weapons. Turkey has weapons coming out of her butts, and yet, they are looking at others to lead the way into Syria and not do it alone. I think this is a disgrace and very cowardly of Turkey not taking the initiative to act on their own if they believe even 10% of the rhetoric shit it's leaders are sprouting. Many always questioned Turkey's ability to fight a real war despite all the machoism from Turkey. In actuality, Turkey has shown itself to be a very scared and cowardly country and has no balls. Turkey in the last 90 years has been nothing but an opportunist and has been riding others coattails to achieve anything at all. I can see Turkey going down from here on, because they have shown to the world that they are all talk and no show. For God sake, even the ragtag YPG's and PKK are not afraid of Turkey.

As for this quote from the munchkin Davutoglu, it is so funny, because the Turks have been exploiting the Kurds for the last 90+ years. But that's OK, as long as others does not "exploit" them with a promise of their own state in the end.
What has Turks done for the Kurds in Turkey for the last 90+ years? That was a rhetorical question!

“In the face of all of these provocations, I’m calling on beyond Syria, beyond Iraq and everywhere. Nobody should attempt to exploit the Kurds. The Kurds’ state, patron and protector is the state of the Republic of Turkey.”

People say all kinds of silly things.

The notion that Turkey can invade Russia is one of those silly things. We they can invade, but NATO won't come to their rescue for complete and utter stupidity and Turkey will be defeated.

The other notion that is common on this forum is the one where Pootin will easily defeat Turkey in Syria. That is a very BIG statement. I believe the balance favors Turkey considerable and that Russia will be in a world of hurt if there is ever direct conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria and that it is very likely that Russia will be defeated and embarrassed.

Without air cover by TAF, yes, Turkey's ground troops will be defeated eventually by Russia and gang in Syria. You say Russia only has 40 jets in Syria today. Well, it seems like that's all they need at the moment. Should Turkey make a full invasion, those Russian jet numbers will also increase to the level needed.

[Paphitis]

If you watched Hardtalk on BBC tonight with Stephen Sackur interviewing the spokeswoman for the Syrian Opposition, and I hope it will be on Youtube soon to be posted here, according to Stephen Sackur, the game is all but over for the opposition in Syria with Assad remaining and Russia dictating the outcome and the spokeswoman all but agreed with him. Once the Russians/Assad deal a blow to the opposition, give part of Syria to the PYD, then they will take on the ISIS and whomever else who might want to play hero by invading Syria illegally.

What they can't wage their Asymmetric Urban Warfare?

Why is that? They will just go and buy a picket fence house now in downtown Aleppo of Damascus and apply for a Public Service Job in the Syrian Public Sector? You're dreaming I'm afraid.

I watched the same interview on Hardtalk and Kikapu is correct. The battle for Aleppo is over, except for a few pockets of terrorists. These terrorist are trying to escape by hiding in with the refugees but over and over again they are being identified and turned over to Syrian forces by their victims ..... the Syrian people. The SAA with the assistance of not only Russia but Iran and Hezbolah have pulled victory from the jaws of defeat and this has embarrassed the US. When you are a self declared 'exceptional and indispensable Super Power' it is very difficult to admit defeat. The US is trying to save face ....... and Russia and Assad HAVE embarrassed them.

A few months ago, before Russia entered the conflict, there were thoudands of refugees, supposedly fleeing Assad and now the people who remained are praising the SAA, their allies and Russia. I have always refuted your wild claims that they were fleeing Assad and said that they were fleeing conflict. This is now being proved true and the people are, in the main, loyal to Assad ...... to show this in the MSM would clearly indicate that the US accusations against Assad are patently untrue and is another US embarrassment.

So the US and their Opposition Activists (read 'Terrorists') have now changed tactics. To anyone with a brain it would be obvious that Russia would not bomb hospitals and schools, they are winning hands down for Christ's sake, why screw that up by committing war crimes. Watch the western news media ..... the information is all coming from 'opposition activists' , (that is the latest in a succession of name changes ..... they were your 'moderates' before!).... via your old friend at The Observatory of Human Rights. A spokeswoman from one of the hospitals involved even said that they were shelled, most MSM articles now report 'missiles' like the 'missiles' the Israeli's always claim Palestinians fire at a Israel ...... ground to ground and often home made, rockets!!

But these Russians, according to these OA videos have a new weapon ...... cluster bombs that disperse at 90 deg. to the flight path ..... oooop's , I mean if you are going to lie at least try and make the lie plausible!

Assad said 'opposition' is a political term and that when the 'opposition' carries a weapon and fights to everhrow the Government ........then they are terrorists. He's right of course. Russia has said from the very start of their involvement that would attack ALL terrorists! I wonder how Cameron would feel if Russia was arming the 'Corbyn moderate opposition' in the UK and demanding Cameron stood down ...... or apply the same scenario to the US? What would they do ...... sit round a table and have a cost little chat as to how to award them what they were demanding.

Stuff the interviews RH. I look at other things which I am happy to talk to you about privately.

What counts for me is capability and numbers and how long a conventional war can be sustained. And Pootin wouldn't last a couple of weeks against Turkey's military capability.

See it's ok to have a superior force, but when its not available, then its no good. Turkey can pump a lot of resources into Syria and Russia can't because they will be vulnerable elsewhere and we are quite happy to exploit this particularly in Ukraine.

I'm starting to get pissed off with these so called "experts. People are being taken for a ride well and truly.

[Paphitis]

After reading the articles posted before, one would never think that Turkey is NATO's second largest military force. For years on this forum we were told Turkey can kick anyone's butt because of her military might. We were even told recently that Turkey could invade Russia within 3 days if I'm not mistaken. Well, here is a little bit of Russia right next door in Syria and Turkey can't do anything about it. She can't even fly her jets anywhere near the Syrian border. Turkey with her army of 800,000 troops, thousands of tanks, 2,000 fighter jets (OK, most are dilapidated F-4 Phantoms from the 50's which seems to fall apart on their own in the air with TAF) and thousands of that weapon and thousands of this weapons. Turkey has weapons coming out of her butts, and yet, they are looking at others to lead the way into Syria and not do it alone. I think this is a disgrace and very cowardly of Turkey not taking the initiative to act on their own if they believe even 10% of the rhetoric shit it's leaders are sprouting. Many always questioned Turkey's ability to fight a real war despite all the machoism from Turkey. In actuality, Turkey has shown itself to be a very scared and cowardly country and has no balls. Turkey in the last 90 years has been nothing but an opportunist and has been riding others coattails to achieve anything at all. I can see Turkey going down from here on, because they have shown to the world that they are all talk and no show. For God sake, even the ragtag YPG's and PKK are not afraid of Turkey.

As for this quote from the munchkin Davutoglu, it is so funny, because the Turks have been exploiting the Kurds for the last 90+ years. But that's OK, as long as others does not "exploit" them with a promise of their own state in the end.
What has Turks done for the Kurds in Turkey for the last 90+ years? That was a rhetorical question!

“In the face of all of these provocations, I’m calling on beyond Syria, beyond Iraq and everywhere. Nobody should attempt to exploit the Kurds. The Kurds’ state, patron and protector is the state of the Republic of Turkey.”

People say all kinds of silly things.

The notion that Turkey can invade Russia is one of those silly things. We they can invade, but NATO won't come to their rescue for complete and utter stupidity and Turkey will be defeated.

The other notion that is common on this forum is the one where Pootin will easily defeat Turkey in Syria. That is a very BIG statement. I believe the balance favors Turkey considerable and that Russia will be in a world of hurt if there is ever direct conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria and that it is very likely that Russia will be defeated and embarrassed.

Without air cover by TAF, yes, Turkey's ground troops will be defeated eventually by Russia and gang in Syria. You say Russia only has 40 jets in Syria today. Well, it seems like that's all they need at the moment. Should Turkey make a full invasion, those Russian jet numbers will also increase to the level needed.

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

[miltiades]

After reading the articles posted before, one would never think that Turkey is NATO's second largest military force. For years on this forum we were told Turkey can kick anyone's butt because of her military might. We were even told recently that Turkey could invade Russia within 3 days if I'm not mistaken. Well, here is a little bit of Russia right next door in Syria and Turkey can't do anything about it. She can't even fly her jets anywhere near the Syrian border. Turkey with her army of 800,000 troops, thousands of tanks, 2,000 fighter jets (OK, most are dilapidated F-4 Phantoms from the 50's which seems to fall apart on their own in the air with TAF) and thousands of that weapon and thousands of this weapons. Turkey has weapons coming out of her butts, and yet, they are looking at others to lead the way into Syria and not do it alone. I think this is a disgrace and very cowardly of Turkey not taking the initiative to act on their own if they believe even 10% of the rhetoric shit it's leaders are sprouting. Many always questioned Turkey's ability to fight a real war despite all the machoism from Turkey. In actuality, Turkey has shown itself to be a very scared and cowardly country and has no balls. Turkey in the last 90 years has been nothing but an opportunist and has been riding others coattails to achieve anything at all. I can see Turkey going down from here on, because they have shown to the world that they are all talk and no show. For God sake, even the ragtag YPG's and PKK are not afraid of Turkey.

As for this quote from the munchkin Davutoglu, it is so funny, because the Turks have been exploiting the Kurds for the last 90+ years. But that's OK, as long as others does not "exploit" them with a promise of their own state in the end.
What has Turks done for the Kurds in Turkey for the last 90+ years? That was a rhetorical question!

“In the face of all of these provocations, I’m calling on beyond Syria, beyond Iraq and everywhere. Nobody should attempt to exploit the Kurds. The Kurds’ state, patron and protector is the state of the Republic of Turkey.”

People say all kinds of silly things.

The notion that Turkey can invade Russia is one of those silly things. We they can invade, but NATO won't come to their rescue for complete and utter stupidity and Turkey will be defeated.

The other notion that is common on this forum is the one where Pootin will easily defeat Turkey in Syria. That is a very BIG statement. I believe the balance favors Turkey considerable and that Russia will be in a world of hurt if there is ever direct conflict between Turkey and Russia in Syria and that it is very likely that Russia will be defeated and embarrassed.

Without air cover by TAF, yes, Turkey's ground troops will be defeated eventually by Russia and gang in Syria. You say Russia only has 40 jets in Syria today. Well, it seems like that's all they need at the moment. Should Turkey make a full invasion, those Russian jet numbers will also increase to the level needed.

Who told you there will be no Air Cover? By geez Kikapu, Turkey would be able to maintain Air Superiority and control the skies over Syria easily. The Russians only have 2 bases they fly from. Turkey can send planes from anywhere, even Jordan if it wanted to.

Then of course, add the Saudis into the mix. Pootin will not find it easy at all, and will probably find himself in the shit!

What a load of rubbish !! Turkey to have air superiority, the Russians will shit themselves

Is there anyone else in the entire world who shares your views apart from Erdogan
What a Plonker you turned out to be General

[Paphitis]

What a load of rubbish !! Turkey to have air superiority, the Russians will shit themselves

Is there anyone else in the entire world who shares your views apart from Erdogan
What a Plonker you turned out to be General

Yes Air Superiority guaranteed! And then some.

Russia will not be able to cope with the sheer volume of aircraft. The Russians can use their S300/400, but the Turks have countermeasures against those as well. The Russians have the aircraft they deployed only, whilst the TAF can throw everything into Syria and land back in Turkey and go again.

Russia can't cope with Turkey's depth of field. End of story.

It's really simple old fart. Even a little kid can understand this after it is explained. And mind you, Turkey won't act alone. The Saudis will probably be in it too, and that takes another dimension once again, because the Saudis are armed like no ones business.

[miltiades]

Why don't we ask the forum members if they agree with your assessments ?
I will start a poll