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[B25]

To avoid any back and forth on what you constitute as a factual source, supply a list of what you will accept and I will do so.

Now you are being delibrately obstructive. YOU are the one that made an unsubstantiated comment, now back it up with a cedible source.

If GIG was to give you the list what else is there for you to do. Just get the blinking link and let us see where you are getting your dodgy figures from. FGS.

Anything less then you need to retract and apologise for the lies you were spreading.

[GreekIslandGirl]

NO - You have already supplied a figure so you must have read it somewhere. Tell us where. There are many reliable sources and I am guessing you suspect now that your source was not reliable.


Here's an example of me giving you some information to discuss. I quote the following:

Greek Cypriots, Maronites, Armenains and Latin’s own more than 87% of the property in Cyprus whereas the Turkish Cypriots own less than 13%. The property owned by Greek Cypriot, Maronite, Armenain and Latin refugees from the occupied areas amounts of 33% of the islands territory whereas that of Turkish Cypriots is 5%. The value of the property owned by individual Greek, Maronite, Armenain and Latin Cypriots is on average 10 times the value of the property owned by individual Turkish Cypriots.

I then tell you my source, as follows:

http://www.argyrosargyrou.fsnet.co.uk/a ... e10-3a.htm

Now, feel free to discuss ....

[GreekIslandGirl]

So you see - I gave you two legitimate sources - one from the British proportionements of the Cyprus Land registry quoting 16% as owned by TCs and the other, a more recent one, quoted from the Land registry apportioning 13% as owned by TCs. (I warned you the initial figures from the Brits were generous ).

- Now - where did your figure of 33% actually come from?

[newgeneration]

I will have to try and find the source because honestly I don't recall. It was something I read in Cyprus last week, either in a newspaper or online.

I will try and find it later but please bear in mind i haven't spent anything LIKE the time and effort you appear to have put in and to adhere to the rules of discussion that I am fast learning about on this forum, I will have to bookmark everything I read in future!

I know I will be shot down for posting this but put simply, I am searching for the truth. I have some truth already, I have the experiences of both sets of Grandparents on either side. They are of course a 'credible source' to me.

Meeting with aggression and extreme, one sided views on here make me empathise with the North. Unfortunately you do not help your cause in that respect.

I can also see from my previous reading all over this forum that where info is supplied that does not support the GC agenda, the source is systematically discredited. That is why I ask for a list of what you will accept.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Try not to be so judgmental or defensive. I don't think anyone has a "list" of what is acceptable; nothing is prescribed. Everything is discussed on its merits. We are all learning together. No one can have all the answers so try and open your mind as to how we GCs (who have never invaded anyone) have been forced off the land which has contained our history going back thousands of years.

You, the 'victors', can invent anything you like to hold onto what is not yours .... we GCs are the ones who cling to the truth!

[newgeneration]

Please less of the 'you and I'. I have never lived in Cyprus, and my family are GC also, as are my children. For this reason I can never be totally one sided.

Judgement and defence are what I encountered on this forum from my very first post, which did not give any alegiance to any side. But I will endeavour to keep an open mind, absolutely.

The events I have trouble understanding are those of the EOKA movement. I understand not wanting to be ruled by Britain any longer. But EOKA did not stop there (I will find sources that back up my grandparents experiences other than the books I have already mentioned, and let it be known that my GC grandparents witnessed TC killings in the name of EOKA also).

Why try to remove the TC's too? They had lived in Cyprus for 400 years, and in many villages they had formed friendships and lived peacefully together. If my British friend can trace her British ancestry back to the 1500's I don't think any reasonable person would question that she is British. Why talk of the Ottoman's? Shall we then talk of the Venetians who built most of the churches in Cyprus? (The ones who built many of the churches and cathedrals you say are Greek) The Lusignans? The blood is mixed, you cannot state that you are of pure Greek blood going back until the dawn of time. How could you even know?

I do feel that had Makarios not gone back against the agreement of the equal Cyprus govt, and removed all TC rights, much of what followed would never have happened. Turkey warned him, as did other heads of state but he disregarded their advice.

The Turkish mainland DID have to intervene to stop the killing. The UN and the British were completely ineffective in stopping the violence. Do Turkey have a right to claim half of Cyprus? No! They absolutely do not. But they have really just left it to the TC's to live there have they not? I am not sure I agree with sending over mainland settlers however.

And now the majority of Cyprus as a whole wants Turkey to leave, but how can they, when the very reason for which they intervened has not been resolved? If it were safe for Turkey to just up and leave, we would not have British and UN peace keeping corps on every corner.

I cannot see how the problems will ever be resolved but we can only start with the absolute and whole truth, and that is something that is not freely available on this forum.

[GreekIslandGirl]

... . I have never lived in Cyprus, and my family are GC also, as are my children.

You have NEVER lived in Cyprus?

Please, I find the rest of your post(s) highly dishonest ....


Why so many posts on what TCs owned? Or their 'condition' ?

You are a schooled Turk! Go away dishonest person.

[newgeneration]

In fact you first mentioned the condition of TC properties. As I have previously stated, I don't think the GC govt should have to pay to maintain these private properties.

I have not been through any TC or Turkish mainland education. Why are you and your fellow posters insistent in trying to put a label on me? So that it is easier to then judge me and throw insults aimed at degrading my nationality? (racism)

How on earth can you find my post dishonest when we are on an anonymous Internet forum?

[GreekIslandGirl]

NO - You have already supplied a figure so you must have read it somewhere. Tell us where. There are many reliable sources and I am guessing you suspect now that your source was not reliable.


Here's an example of me giving you some information to discuss. I quote the following:

Greek Cypriots, Maronites, Armenains and Latin’s own more than 87% of the property in Cyprus whereas the Turkish Cypriots own less than 13%. The property owned by Greek Cypriot, Maronite, Armenain and Latin refugees from the occupied areas amounts of 33% of the islands territory whereas that of Turkish Cypriots is 5%. The value of the property owned by individual Greek, Maronite, Armenain and Latin Cypriots is on average 10 times the value of the property owned by individual Turkish Cypriots.

I then tell you my source, as follows:

http://www.argyrosargyrou.fsnet.co.uk/a ... e10-3a.htm

Now, feel free to discuss ....

Debate- discuss or shut up!

[newgeneration]

Can I please redirect you to my responses on the thread, EOKA terrorism and the TMT in the '50's and '60's.

Also for the record, it is unreasonable of you to cite GC websites as your source when you will not accept TC ones.