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[B25]

Agree with VP....

CF is a microcosm of the CyProb... with a small number of people associated with the motherlands, like him/her doing all they can to stop any settlement other than their ideal preferred one, usually of the Partition or taksim/enosis (in full or in part or with any variation thereof) or even the preferred by many Unitary State.

In the case of VP of course, back-tracking from convergences, hiding from UN parameters, the UN Ressies etc and running down the clock on the strength of the TA with the hopeless aim of a Parting of the Ways or Divorce ( as he/she would call it). Well, it ain't happened in 50 years VP and as you never tire of reminding us... "nothing has changed"... to make your dream a reality.

I agree with Bill

Nothing has changed; No closer to the TCs giving in to the outragious demands of the GCs and that is your double edged sword Bill. You try to make VPs, and my, dream seem rediculous but make yours just as much so. The point is that the UN and the EU are realising that your dream time might be coming to an end.

Zan, you are talking shit again.

The Eu, UN are realising very quickly, what ungrateful Parasites (not my words btw) you TCs are and fully understand our dilemma.

Your partionist dreams are built in sand, soon to crumble. I wonder who can last the longest, TCs being fed shit and kept in the dark by your motherland, or the RoC, progressive, EU, UN, internationally recognised and about to strike gold with the gas finds. You decide.

So see you in the spring you old dog.

[zan]

I'm afraid VP is correct because on the one hand you've got "Turks" like VP that want to partition the island and the "Greeks" that wan't to turn it into a Greek island, both cheeks of the same a**e if you ask me.

Then there's us Cypriots.

It hasn't even occured to the Greek-wannabes that the reason the UN is pushing a quasi-unification in the form of BBF with political equality is because then the "Turks" can carry-on being Turks and the "Greeks" can carry on being Greeks, with the British sitting pretty whilst these two entities continue the dead-lock.

I'm trying to paint the picture of this "Cypriot" thing, Me Ed, and no offence but I always have trouble with which paintstroke to use;

The iron curtain has come down ( in Cyprus terms that is) and the people come out in celebration...........Which square do we gather in to chant the success? whose statues are torn down and whoise erected????

[zan]

Agree with VP....

CF is a microcosm of the CyProb... with a small number of people associated with the motherlands, like him/her doing all they can to stop any settlement other than their ideal preferred one, usually of the Partition or taksim/enosis (in full or in part or with any variation thereof) or even the preferred by many Unitary State.

In the case of VP of course, back-tracking from convergences, hiding from UN parameters, the UN Ressies etc and running down the clock on the strength of the TA with the hopeless aim of a Parting of the Ways or Divorce ( as he/she would call it). Well, it ain't happened in 50 years VP and as you never tire of reminding us... "nothing has changed"... to make your dream a reality.

I agree with Bill

Nothing has changed; No closer to the TCs giving in to the outragious demands of the GCs and that is your double edged sword Bill. You try to make VPs, and my, dream seem rediculous but make yours just as much so. The point is that the UN and the EU are realising that your dream time might be coming to an end.

Zan, you are talking shit again.

The Eu, UN are realising very quickly, what ungrateful Parasites (not my words btw) you TCs are and fully understand our dilemma.

Your partionist dreams are built in sand, soon to crumble. I wonder who can last the longest, TCs being fed shit and kept in the dark by your motherland, or the RoC, progressive, EU, UN, internationally recognised and about to strike gold with the gas finds. You decide.

So see you in the spring you old dog.

The only gas will be you lot letting out your frustration mate Tjis gas thing has been going on for too long to make any difference what so ever.

My dream has been half realised but yours is the one that is crumbling.......YOUR government have already conceded BBF which shows where I am coming from and not your last breath whimper

[Get Real!]

I'm afraid VP is correct because on the one hand you've got "Turks" like VP that want to partition the island and the "Greeks" that wan't to turn it into a Greek island, both cheeks of the same a**e if you ask me.

Then there's us Cypriots.

It hasn't even occured to the Greek-wannabes that the reason the UN is pushing a quasi-unification in the form of BBF with political equality is because then the "Turks" can carry-on being Turks and the "Greeks" can carry on being Greeks, with the British sitting pretty whilst these two entities continue the deadlock.

Another exceptional post by MeEd! Keep 'em coming...

[Get Real!]

It looks like everyone’s avoiding the real point behind VP’s thread… “agreed partition”!

So why don’t the Turkish Cypriots tell us exactly what this is…

[Viewpoint]

Agreed partition for land appears to be the only way forward which imo both sides should start to contemplate...

So what exactly is that SUPER INCENTIVE for the Republic of Cyprus that would make them take your ridiculous “agreed partition” idea seriously?

Reduction of the north to 25% in return for recognition of the TRNC.

[boulio]

Can you tell us VP how you come up with 25%,is it with a analysis or did you just come up with it?
Further will it be a new country in the north or a province of turkey?
If a new country will the new country except that the roc is succesor to all she has ie un seat,eu etc
Will turkey and this new state agree under un laws the roc continetal shelf and eez?

Back to the territory issue thru my valcultions based on the british land registry the breakdown is as follows:

61% gc land
12% tc land
26 % govt land
1% church

From my calculation the only way to come to 25 % is if govt land is split 50% why shoulf that be when you were 18% population and when in the govt of 1960 the tc had 30% representation in the parliment ?

I think a fairer solution would be 78-22 % split

[boulio]

As for blaming everything on the "greeks" by the "neo cypriots"' your political leadership has been negotiating a bbf for the last 30 plus years not greece,come out and say what you really want to say that you will only accept a unitary state with minority rights for the tc

Federalism works however on idealogy not ethnicity if political parties in cyprus worked together then fine but when its based on ethnicity the tc will be a minority always at least on the federal level if youbenshrine the pwer to the state level then you just have a confederation thats were you been going and thats why people argue that its better to have partition then what will come out of negotiations.so deep down cypriots dont want this andt he roc has been negotiating someing it dosent want and at the end your back to thecurrent state of affairs

[Maxx]

Message from the banished (exiled) in Coventry.

It amazes me how it is always the Greek wannabes discussing percentages for a permanent partition on the island.

Well, on a personal level I just want to say that they don't have the right to be giving my country away to an invader, an invader that was bought to my shores by their Greek wannabe predecessors bringing about division to my island which they wish to perpetuate indefinitely all because they want to be Greek, wear their Greek boxers and wave their Greek flags like immature prats while their country is burning.

There is no difference between them and the Turkish partitionists like VP. They both complement each other nicely, only thing is, they don't have as much intelligence as the Partitionsists because they do indeed want justice in Cyprus but their antics play right into Turkey's partitionist hands.

Excellent posts by Bill Cobbett, Me Ed and Get Real! Well done chaps, but your efforts are severely compromised by the Greek wannabes.

Let's be very honest, the way they behave, it is little wonder why the UN Framework is based on a loose BBF. Yet the same individuals claim they don't want this, but little do they know that they are the BBF's biggest supporters. It is apparent that they are not very bright at all. These are the bash patriots, who nominate everyone under the sun as "persona non grata" for not agreeing to their world view.

Greekos, you are not the centre of the universe. You did not invent everything. Cyprus is NOT Greek or Turkish. And the lot of you can get out.

Seems like old habits die hard. Once again, my eyes are seeing a Greek offering to give away MY land to the invader. Betrayal seems to be in their blood!

[Get Real!]

I'm trying to paint the picture of this "Cypriot" thing, Me Ed, and no offence but I always have trouble with which paintstroke to use;

That’s because you’re using your dick for a brush and Erdogan’s bum for a canvass!