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Re: The Republic's Proposals Published

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:33 pm

CBBB wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:What about me? I went to a Cypriot village school, then a Greek town school, then back to Cypriot village school, then various English schools plus a couple of Greek Orthodox Church Schools in between. :D


You can fight yourself!


Oh, you're just a κοτόπουλο!
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Re: The Republic's Proposals Published

Postby CBBB » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:35 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
CBBB wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:What about me? I went to a Cypriot village school, then a Greek town school, then back to Cypriot village school, then various English schools plus a couple of Greek Orthodox Church Schools in between. :D


You can fight yourself!


Oh, you're just a κοτόπουλο!


You better have your eyesight checked out, I'm a rabbit!
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Re: The Republic's Proposals Published

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:42 pm

CBBB wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
CBBB wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:What about me? I went to a Cypriot village school, then a Greek town school, then back to Cypriot village school, then various English schools plus a couple of Greek Orthodox Church Schools in between. :D


You can fight yourself!


Oh, you're just a κοτόπουλο!


You better have your eyesight checked out, I'm a rabbit!


Ah huh ... a chicken in a rabbit costume; that went to an English school, hmm, curiouser and curiouser!
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Re: The Republic's Proposals Published

Postby kurupetos » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:02 pm

DT. wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:If that's meant to be funny I don't see it because I did not attend a Greek gymnasium so do you wanna try again? :?

Did you attend English School then? I used to beat up butterboys like you back in the day. :mrgreen:

And these days… do you beat up the wife and kids?

I am happy to report that I haven't been in a fight since those days, but I am willling to make an exception for an ES graduate. :mrgreen:



Anytime you're ready sunshine :twisted:

No problem mate. :twisted:

I can fight all three of you, but my only request is that you come one at a time. You see I don't want to use both of my hands. 8) :lol:
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Re: The Republic's Proposals Published

Postby kimon07 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:06 am

Ottoman-style solution! (Google translation).

Racial criterion on the ballot and traps on the property
Leads the outline of President Christofias and the convergences in reunification or to legitimize the faits accomplis of the invasion?
Why the G / C in the north to have any rights is an alien in Belgium?

The convergence of text and outline a solution of President Christofias in fact requires special analysis to determine whether it complies with democratic principles and values, with the EU acquis and whether or not the spirit and letter of the Annan plan. Raised another related question: Where the proposals ultimately lead the President? The reunification or legalization of faits accomplis of the invasion, which is reflected in partitionist geographical, administrative and population division of Cyprus.
Executive power and right to vote

if one starts the analysis of proposals by the President on the executive position, one finds that the proposed rotating presidency at a ratio of 2 to 4 and weighted - cross voting. This suggestion means that every vote of each of the Greek Cypriots will count for the election of the Turkish Cypriot president in 20% and only one Turkish Cypriot vote.
That is, each one Turkish vote is equivalent to 5 Greek Cypriot! In fact repealed the right one man one vote. And removal is associated with the acceptance by the President of the Turkish Republic partitionist that office in the north, namely the Turkish Cypriot constituent state, the Turkish Cypriots should have a majority population forever.
That translates, according to the recommendations of the President, as akalouthos:

1. Only a limited number of Greek Cypriots to return and probably will be able to have full political rights in the north to the quota.
2. Those Greek Cypriots who will not belong to the quota will return true right of residence in the Turkish Cypriot constituent state, but with restrictions, and have, as expressly stated in the text, limited political and other rights relating to local government and elections. It should be noted in the text that will have political rights holders "internal citizenship."

This means that in Cyprus there are three nationalities. A common foreign, apparently, the United Federal Cyprus and two other internal, one for each constituent state. The internal nationality that determines the political rights not only within each constituent state, and the United Federal Cyprus based on the following: For a Greek Cypriot to have full political rights in the north, should acquire the Cypriot citizenship interior.

But if the Turkish Cypriot internal gain citizenship, it would lose its internal Greek Cypriot citizenship. So back to the Ottoman practice, claiming that voting had only Muslim Turks. So if a Christian Greek Armenian nationality or wanted to have the right to vote, should lose their national and religious identity.
In that regard, the solution of the Cyprus problem would not have today in the northern occupied part of Cyprus anastalthentos implementing the acquis communautaire, which is the result of the invasion, but a return to osmaniki - Ottoman reality. This development will constitute a first-class victory of his theories and Ntavotouglou formalization of the population, geographical and administrative division of Cyprus.

It is not manifest that the concession to Greek Cypriots who have permanent residence rights in the north to vote in local government and European elections, makes Belgians or Poles in their own home! In essence, if the writer chooses a permanent home in Kyrenia, you will have political rights recognized by the State of Belgium as a foreigner! Therefore, there are obvious logic and practice of "two states" that will live side - the side.
Veto, ministerial and Finlandisation

On the issue of executive power is in the texts of the President even a suggestion, which is particularly interesting: In the cabinet, consisting of a ratio of 9 to 5, for a decision must be at least 2 voting members from each constituent state. Added, however, that the President and the Vice President will be able to cancel any decision with which they disagree on matters pertaining to external relations, defense and security.

In other words, each retain a veto. And under these circumstances, how made quickly and reliably without foreign intervention, any decisions in particular are important? In fact, defense and foreign policy and security issues of the new political system will receive the approval of Turkey .

When it disagrees, it will veto by Turkish Cypriot President or Vice President. The so-called "Finlandisation" will be institutionalized. Imagine what would happen if you have a decision by the Cabinet of Cyprus, as its chairman, on issues relating to the EU which Turkey opposes. There is no sane citizen who believes that if the majority decision is different from serving the Turkish national interests, will not tip over the veto will be exercised by the Turkish Cypriot President or Vice President?
External Relations ...

on foreign relations, the text of the President noted that the federal government uses its power to conclude treaties in a manner that will not be usurping the powers of the constituent states. And what will these responsibilities and how they determined? I cleaned explicit or constructive ambiguity? And if it is true the powers of the constituent states and central government, because anticipating the need to create a joint committee of external relations, which constitutes House issues concerning the powers of constituent states in relation to the powers of the federal units?

In essence, this provision refers to a quasi-principle of subsidiarity. That is, those powers do not belong to the central government will rest with the constituent states. And so on should be made clear what the source of power. Or what are the sources of power. Unless there are two sources of power, either directly or indirectly.
However, Mr Talat, the document filed in January 2010, refers generally regarded confession to two sources of power! In fact, this issue is relevant to the virgin birth, and how to express the final constitutional provisions. But when the "general solution" is confusing, can anyone understand what will happen next and how to operate a labyrinthine political system, in which for every decision there and councils to resolve disputes.

The right of ownership

The right of ownership of Greek Cypriot refugees or not, and the principle that the first reason is, as theoretical support the Government, the owner of the land eroded, if not canceled. And this is because including the text of the President highlighted the following: "The choice of recovery will be satisfied provided that complies with the criteria."
And in this phrase added that if the recipient chooses not to restore but the case is consistent with the criteria, then you can grant it property of equal value to the same federal facility, or compensation or exchange. And if there are disagreements, the beneficiary should have recourse to a committee (Independent International Properties) with equal representation of Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots and an equal number of foreigners. And if it considers that there wronged, you may appeal to the Court Property with an equal number of Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots and foreign judges. This is the case for two things:

A. The first line of hierarchy is not the right of the owner, but the criteria. And the exercise of the right is subject to the limitation of clear criteria, and the interests of current users.
B. In the labyrinthine process in which the beneficiary is involved in order to restore the property. True it is that this process will not only labyrinthine and lengthy as to painful, obviously expensive.

And it leads to the clearance sale of Greek Cypriot properties through compensation or otherwise, creating conditions for even a Turkish goal: Him that is the majority on the ground (!), Which complements that of the population, which is stamped on the principle that: Political rights are exercised on the basis of the internal citizenship. This means that the north will have rights only holders of Cypriot nationality. Otherwise, how will the Turkish Cypriots control the northern constituent state?

Therefore, civil rights will be provided on race and not grassroots democracy, and the Federation of Cyprus does not have anything to do with federal democratic systems such as those of the U.S. and Germany, where the principle one man one vote. Absence of racial discrimination, rotating presidencies and weighted votes.
Fear of Germany and the negative precedent

GENERAL principles that make the President on a single sovereignty and international personality and eroded and undermined by the outline solution and the undemocratic and racist provisions, based on the logic of a policy of equal partnership, which ultimately legitimates managerial, and administrative segregation population of Cyprus, namely the faits accomplis of the invasion.

Causes, and, surprisingly, that the President has signed an agreement with Mr. Talat, on the basis of which the Turkish citizens, ie settlers and others who will remain in Cyprus, as EU citizens enjoy, without their country to join EU-the four basic freedoms, such as the movement of persons, goods, capital and services. The Government brings it to the ratio 4 to 1. That is, every four Greek citizens who work in Cyprus, will have the same rights and one Turk.

Shows, and the assertion that the clause, after the accession of Turkey to the EU would prevent Turkish largest wave that will drown the island. And who has supported or accepted that this clause will apply after the entry of Turkey into the EU? And who and how to check the proportions and the state? Even if the observed proportion of persons, how do you control the movement capital, services and other purchases and sales? Currently, the President is willing to carry you back to Cyprus to Turkey in EU
Anyway, of course, if Turkey is not an EU member, to extend that agreement, the President should, for the sake of Turkish citizens and Ankara, require deviation from the acquis communautaire, the following logic: the formula This will apply only on the territory of Cyprus. But this should be accepted by the EU as creating a negative precedent.
Especially in the case of Turkey, the trend is that even if full integration occur, there will be a derogation from Article 4 of the Treaty, which means limiting the right of free movement of Turkish workers.

The rationale stems from the fact that our European partners, although located much farther from Turkey what Cyprus, fearing the waves of Turks will flood. Once feared by Germany, France and Austria, like other countries in a Turkish population invasion rightly should not worry as we victims? GIANNIOU Charalambides * Dr. International Relat

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