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[GreekIslandGirl]

You people are going to be so gutted you thought 1974 would never happen and look what happened there.

Wrong!

We always knew Turkey is Expansionist!

You failed in 1964, that is all.

[supporttheunderdog]

The EU would NEVER allow this.

I sincerely hope you are right!

[supporttheunderdog]

You people are going to be so gutted you thought 1974 would never happen and look what happened there.

Wrong!

We always knew Turkey is Expansionist!

You failed in 1964, that is all.

Unfortunatley I think you are incorrect on the first but correct on the second. see http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36890-30.html?hilit=grivas#p705177
Grivas thought in 1973 that removing Big Mak and calling for Enosis would go unopossed but look how wrong he was. Turkey was and is not going to allow Enosis beyween Cyprus and Greece because of what it sees as Greek expansionism, and that has been the position probbaly since 1955.

On the Third I understand the hated Americans stepped in to stop invasion, both in 64 and 67, but not in 74, as by that time for their own strategic reasons in the cold war, because of what they saw and what has been apparently recently decsribed by a Cyprus Minister as a Strategic Alliance with the Soviet Union, they wanted Big Mak out. .

[souroul]

The EU would NEVER allow this.

Erm... Given the massive fallout in France-Turkey relations in recent weeks, picture the scene when Eroglu/Turkey go knocking on the EU Door...

Knock, knock

Qui est là?

Turkey/Eroglu

Qu'est-ce que vous voulez?

Recognition of "tncr"

Aller vous faire foutre

LOL

[GreekIslandGirl]

Turkey was and is not going to allow Enosis beyween Cyprus and Greece because of what it sees as Greek expansionism, and that has been the position probbaly since 1955.

It's not Greek 'expansionism' when Cyprus is already/ was always a part of the Greek nation. But you are right that Turkey didn't allow such moves because of its own, real, expanionism into other people's territories, on average eating up one country per 50 years.

Still, we now have enosis through the EU. Where there's a will there's a way and the right thing always happens in the end ...

[humanist]

we have integrity and the benefit of knowing that we are not living off the mis fortunes of others

[Viewpoint]

we have integrity and the benefit of knowing that we are not living off the mis fortunes of others

You are living off the blood and rights of innocent TCs.

[boulio]

hermes a few days ago asked for numbers of t/c dead in the intercommunal fighting and no one produced them so the blood is out of the equation as for rights give back the land and you have your rights capish?

[Get Real!]

hermes a few days ago asked for numbers of t/c dead in the intercommunal fighting and no one produced them so the blood is out of the equation as for rights give back the land and you have your rights capish?

You could've asked me! About 250 Tcs and 270 GCs... the credible link to which I can't be bothered to provide right now.

[supporttheunderdog]

But then Turkey almost certainly does not see the Gree nation in the way you do : they see the Greek state within borders defined by agreement following a number of wars from 1821 up to 1923 or so, which saw what the Turkls no doubt saw as Greek attempts Expansionism into what the Turks saw as as the Core of Turkey, in Western Anatoiia and where Turkey did not see Cyprus as a part of the Greek state but more as a natural part of Turkey, being off the Turkish coast, and where they were looking at one point (and probably still do) at reversing what they saw as the loss of Turkish territory following the 1923 Agreements.

They were certainly never going to (and as matters curently will still not) allow the modern Greek nation state as defined by the modern boundries to take over the whole of Cyprus.

If however there was or is to be anu form of Enosis it must imply partition.

Possibly the problm was that not enough Cypriots were in favour of the Double enosis deal apparently put together by the Colonels with the Turks, at CIA instigation: they did not want to live under Greek Rule, which then meant the Junta, with Enosis so close (at the cost of partition) they fought the coupists and ther alleged Greek brothers. who instigated the Coup, so that the unoccupied part remained free, even of Greek domination.