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[Viewpoint]

Ironically, solving the Cyprus problem first before EU membership, has become prerequisite for Turkey.

Ain't that a bitch, huh VP!

Knowing what I think about Turkey and the EU this is has got be one of your most stupid comments, plus does Turkey look like they give a fck.

[B25]

I take issues with the title of this thread. You make it sound like they did us a favour.

The RoC met all necesasry criteria set down by the EU and thereby gained entry. It was not for anyone to allow or disallow.

Turkey on the other hand does not stand a cat in hells chance of conforming, their application should be terminated immediately.

The question of this thread should be (and probably warrents a new thread),

'Why is the EU even bothering with accession talks with a terrorist state, aka Turkey?'

or

'Why doesn't the EU terminate Turkeys Accession Application immediately?'
or

'Who the F is Turkey to dictate terms to the EU?'

[Paphitis]

Completely agree with Hermes on how useful Cyprus is for the EU and rightfully recognized as so.

But still there are those elements (UK?) who insisted on the Turkish agenda to please the USA in destroying the EU ( by allowing Turkey in) who would have refused Cyprus' accession into the EU (for all the wrong reasons) whilst still occupied by Turkey if Greece had not acted in advance to secure this as a definitive illegal stranglehold.

It is all too easy making stupid statements such as this without an ounce of logic, common sense or credible sources to back up the negative imputations implied!

Making erroneous statements such as the US wanting to "destroy" the EU is ridiculous and very misleading for those that come here to learn.

Why would the US want to destroy the EU? Can anyone think of any reason? Why would it want to "destroy" a free trade block of friendly nations and allies? What will it gain by doing such a thing?

The EU as a matter of fact actually makes it easier for other countries outside the EU, like the US, Australia, Canada and Japan to trade their goods and services on the continent. And let's not forget that nearly all EU members are also members of NATO, and hence allies.

Also, the US has Free Trade Agreements of its own, with countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the ace of them all, China! That's where its all happening, the Asia Pacific due to Chinese expansion so I am sure that the US has nothing to envy from the EU, on the contrary it is the EU that should envy this new fierce Free Trade Block in the Asia Pacific because that is where the Titans are who will consume most if not all our goods and services.

Now you might say that the US is pushing for Turkey to accede into the EU. Well yes, it does that because it knows that Turkey is potentially a rogue which may one day pose some problems and dilemmas and we have seen this recently with its antics against Israel. So it wants Turkey in the EU so that it may conform to EU standards and to be controlled somewhat and to ensure it does not project Eastwards as the Muslim Nation it is. It is as simple as that. It is not some US conspiracy to "destroy" the EU.

Furthermore, Greece also supports Turkey's EU accession, so that it isn't gang raped daily by the TAF. The RoC also supports Turkey's EU accession provided there is a solution to the Cyprus Problem. So in effect, both support Turkey's EU path for exactly the same reasons as the US whicch is nothing other than to keep Turkey under control.

So we would appreciate it if people stop posting rubbish such as that above. It does not serve Cyprus well at all, which incidentally has exactly the same policy as the US!

The CF can be a valuable resource if forumers are responsible about the information they post, particularly within the Cyprus Problem sections.

Thanks.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, there is a basic flaw in your argument. Greece was not and certainly is not now in any sort of position to threaten the EU. Greece could not and cannot present obstacles to the enlargement strategy of the EU. This said, one can argue that there were certain signs back at the turn of the century that the EU were greatly interested to get the Cyprus problem sorted out so that both Cyprus and later Turkey could get in. Even Denktash was sacrificed towards this end and no doubt, Cyprus did send signs that it would cooperate with the UN and EU for a compromise solution and this is what opened the door for the accession of Cyprus. Without this, Cyprus would not have become a member, there is no doubt in my mind. Papadopoulos, a staunch rejectionist of any compromise solution, spent the first 18 months of his tenure reassuring the world that he was ready to sign a comprehensive solution based on the Annan Plan. He knew what he was doing because he knew the score. He had to deceive the world, to get the RoC into the EU.

Lets take everything you stated above at face value, Bananiot, since we were not in the room to hear any of these discussions, then tell me one thing if you would please. Why didn't Turkey give the GCs a settlement plan in the AP that they could not refuse. You said about a week ago that Erdogan knew what Papadopoulos was up to and that he knew he wanted a OXI vote from the GCs, so why did Erdogan in that case help Papadopoulos to get an OXI vote from the GCs with that ridiculous AP for a settlement, that even you found many reasons that you could have voted "NO" also. I'm sure the EU would have loved for a settlement to have happened before Cyprus became an EU member, but I can't see any EU members chastising the RoC for not accepting a settlement plan that violated almost every principle the EU stands for. I'm asking, who really was at blame for the AP failing, Erdogan or Papadopoulos? If you tell me that Papadopoulos did not really negotiate therefore Erdogan took everything he could lay his hands on, regardless how many times he violated the EU principles, then who really got taken, Erdogan or Papadopoulos? That was actually a rhetorical question, because the answer is very obvious, that it was Erdogan who got taken with his own greed.

This is why I say that Papadopoulos outfoxed everyone, specially Erdogan, since Erdogan perhaps thought, "since the EU is expecting a settlement, I can take as much as I want, so when there is a settlement with the AP, I got everything I wanted and MORE, and too bad for Papadopoulos". Perhaps Erdogan forgot, that EU membership for Cyprus did not depend on the AP passing, which was rejected of course and Erdogan ended up holding the "bag of goods" that wasn't worth anything. Not only that, but now Erdogan must solve the Cyprus problem before Turkey can ever become an EU member. With this situation, the GCs don't even need to lift a finger to help Erdogan find a solution. All the GCs need to do is wait until Erdogan makes an offer that would be acceptable to the GCs, even if the TCs do not like it, it won't matter, since the settlers now control the votes in the north. No wonder Erdogan gets angry at the RoC at every chance he gets, because with the failure of the AP and EU membership of the RoC has been a one-two punch that knocked the wind out of Erdogans sails and he is now sitting and waiting for something to change to help him regain a strong position. In the meantime the RoC discovered Gas and Oil to really get Erdogan mad, but helpless. Erdogan will need to carry oxygen with him at all times from now on if Erdogan's misfortunes continues. No wonder Turkey is wanting to try a new approach to the EU since at present, all the doors are shut to her.

The conditionality of EU accession has collapsed: Kemal Derviş

The terms of the European Union’s discussions with Turkey need to be reformed, according to Turkey’s former Economy Minister Kemal Derviş, who said the “conditionality of accession has collapsed.”

“We need to put the past behind us and start again with self-confidence and without prejudices. Europe and Turkey need to say: ‘We have to make it work.’ It might not be the way we thought it would be, but we have no other choice but to move forward, so let’s make it work,” he said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-co ... sCatID=338

[Viewpoint]

Again you are barking up the wrong tree, does Turkey look like a country who gives a shit about entering the EU? Doesnt a country that gives a shit do everything to meet the entry requirements? They are just not cut out to be a full EU member and should never enter an aging and economically stumbling block of nations destined to disintegrate.

No EU aspiration means no GC leverage.

[Kikapu]

Again you are barking up the wrong tree, does Turkey look like a country who gives a shit about entering the EU? Doesnt a country that gives a shit do everything to meet the entry requirements? They are just not cut out to be a full EU member and should never enter an aging and economically stumbling block of nations destined to disintegrate.

No EU aspiration means no GC leverage.

An old Turkish proverb,

"Sakla Samani, Gelir Zamani"

Time does not matter, if and when Turkey wants to be a member.

Cyprus is already a EU member and will always hold the key for Turkey's EU future.

The longer Turkey waits, more it will cost her in the long run for her to become a EU member.

What will happen to the TCs when the time comes for Turkey to pay the price, is what you should be concerned about than the GCs leverage, because that leverage is always going to be there?

As Turkey modernizes, so will it's peoples ideology, who will want to become Europeans.

What will happen to the TCs when that time comes?

Erdogan and the Islamist are not always going to run the country.

What will happen to the TCs when the Turks want to become Europeans?

[repulsewarrior]

...Greece and Cyprus can be Turkey's greatest allies; Turkey has to choose.

Dude, here some idiots say that Greece can't be our ally because of a coup that happened like 4 decades ago even though the coup leaders were jailed and here you are telling us that the Turks can be our ally after so many decades of ongoing occupation!! GR even wants us to have a pipeline to export our gas from Turkey and the Cyprus Problem is not even solved yet! So much readiness to forgive the Turks and make them our ally and so much hate for Greece! Why would some people be like this? Piratis and Hermes were right when they said that these people are just misfits and that the reason they talk in this way is because they are Charlies that can't fit in the Greek environment of Cyprus!

geographically, such an alliance can become a powerful force in political, social and economic terms. it is not a question of forgiveness, it is an issue of change, and to maximise the benefits that can come from such an alliance. Erdogan will not be the leader of the Turkish government forever, neither will the politicians of the other countries involved, each State however will. when you mention the Greek environment of Cyprus, it is with the assumption that this "Greekness" is the same everywhere, and that somehow this sameness should conform to the identity of a "motherland"; don't you think that this is a very "Turkish" perspective? thus the question arises, as a Cypriot, would their lives be better if Athens was the center of their Governance, and if not, what is wrong with a Cypriot State which by its own acts brings these belligerent parties to another level of association?

...as for Cypriots hating "Greeks", this is healthy in my opinion, because all democracies sustain themselves from the debate that is stimulated from free expression. but, it is up to the representatives of these People to facilitate the exchange of information that will make their relationship clearer, so that the speculation of what are the true facts becomes inconsequential in choosing the acts that are to be executed.

the EU benefits from a Cypriot identity, Cyprus for the most part has always been a net contributor to this union. but more on the subject, "Greeks" and Greekness are not the centre of the debate when it comes to Turkey, (or to the EU's own identity within the circle of its membership), it is more an issue (without this discrimination) that revolves around the Rule of Law.

[Viewpoint]

Again you are barking up the wrong tree, does Turkey look like a country who gives a shit about entering the EU? Doesnt a country that gives a shit do everything to meet the entry requirements? They are just not cut out to be a full EU member and should never enter an aging and economically stumbling block of nations destined to disintegrate.

No EU aspiration means no GC leverage.

An old Turkish proverb,

"Sakla Samani, Gelir Zamani"

Time does not matter, if and when Turkey wants to be a member.

Cyprus is already a EU member and will always hold the key for Turkey's EU future.

The longer Turkey waits, more it will cost her in the long run for her to become a EU member.

What will happen to the TCs when the time comes for Turkey to pay the price, is what you should be concerned about than the GCs leverage, because that leverage is always going to be there?

As Turkey modernizes, so will it's peoples ideology, who will want to become Europeans.

What will happen to the TCs when that time comes?

Erdogan and the Islamist are not always going to run the country.

What will happen to the TCs when the Turks want to become Europeans?

With the continued increase in our numbers and a return to our Turkish roots a new generation TC will evolve. As for Turkey they will never enter the EU in your or my life time so nothing to worry about.

[humanist]

you will evolve to what? and how are your numbers exactly increasing? if you go back to your roots most mix bread TC's will be saying they're Turkish, not Turkish Cypriot. The world is evolving at a fast rate and similar patterns the only people's left trailing behind? TC's

[Viewpoint]

you will evolve to what? and how are your numbers exactly increasing? if you go back to your roots most mix bread TC's will be saying they're Turkish, not Turkish Cypriot. The world is evolving at a fast rate and similar patterns the only people's left trailing behind? TC's

Humanist who do you think the TCs are marrying? and what are their children if born here?