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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:12 pm

Hermes wrote:A couple of things here. Firstly, Greece did push actively for Cyprus's EU accession. But the EU was not reluctant to accept Cyprus. It was actually very keen because it saw Cyprus as an excellent candidate and also saw Cyprus' EU accession as a symbol of its own values and sovereignty.

Some background. While it's true that Greek gov't representatives, particularly Foreign Ministry Secretary-General Yannis Kranidiotis, prior to his death in 1998, periodically uttered threats that Greece was prepared to veto any Enlargement of the EU that did not include Cyprus, Cyprus was already regarded by the EU as an excellent candidate on its own terms with a well functioning democracy and a flourishing economy.

The majority view of EU countries was that Cyprus was the best candidate for accession and this should not be dependant on a solution. This was because Cyprus was not seen as responsible for the island's division. Turkey was not only seen as the main cause of the problem. It was also regarded as the major obstacle to a solution. As one German MEP put it:

The reunification of Cyprus must not be a precondition for accession… for Cyprus must not become a hostage to Turkey and Turkey must not be granted any right of veto on this question. Cyprus must not be penalized twice over.

Cyprus's accession also became a question of the EU defending its values and sovereignty.

While some speakers saw this as a matter of justice for the RoC, others deemed it a question of principle concerning the sovereignty of the EU itself. For instance, it was declared completely unacceptable for a non-EU member – and ‘a foreign occupant’ to boot – ‘to dictate the date and pace of accession negotiations’ between the Union and its applicants. On another occasion, a Greek MEP declared that proceeding with the accession process constituted ‘a message to all quarters’ that the European Union would ‘proceed on the basis of its own principles and perceptions … without allowing anyone to dictate how issues relating to human rights, democracy, international standing and international law are to be handled’.

In conclusion:

Greek arguments in favour of allowing the accession process of the RoC to move ahead fell on willing ears. This was because they resonated with values held to be central to the EU identity. In our EP case study, it was apparent that Greek MEPs played an active role in debates on Cyprus. But their views were very much part of the parliamentary mainstream. The essential point was that excluding the RoC on the grounds of the unresolved conflict would have been a morally untenable position in the context of the value-based perceptions of EU Enlargement analysed above. In this respect, the admission of the RoC may be seen not as something which happened by accident, the result of an incremental slide towards Cypriot accession, but as a decision taken by a community of values in order to preserve its own identity.

See this article for all quotes and background.


Very good research and a well written post.

I would like to point out that both Greece and Cyprus have in the past both expressed the hope the Turkey will join the EU, with conditional support for their candidacy: whether or not Turley is willing to meet those conditions is another matter: Personally I do not see Turkey as a suitable candidate for menbership at the Current time.
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:09 am

Viewpoint wrote:So you dont know if it was a precondition on which the GCs reneged, they have a habit of doing that...just remember what Verhugen said about being tricked.

I forgot, that your comprehension of the written English language is somewhat limited, so let me try one more time using less words for you to understand. :roll:

If there were preconditions, Cyprus would not have been given EU membership. :roll:

If it was preconditioned on the AP, then Verheugen should have sued the RoC for being "tricked". :lol:

So, did he sue? :wink:
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:13 am

Viewpoint wrote:So you dont know if it was a precondition on which the GCs reneged, they have a habit of doing that...just remember what Verhugen said about being tricked.


That's his way of pleasing the Turks. Act dumb and incredulous.
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:15 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So you dont know if it was a precondition on which the GCs reneged, they have a habit of doing that...just remember what Verhugen said about being tricked.


That's his way of pleasing the Turks. Act dumb and incredulous.


I don't think the dumb part was acting! :wink:
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Get Real! » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:15 am

Verheugen’s behavior was bizarre because he must’ve (should’ve) known that the AP was not a prerequisite and that democratic referendums could go either way so what exactly was his problem anyway?

It’s no wonder he was gotten rid of soon after… :?
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:16 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Personally I do not see Turkey as a suitable candidate for menbership at the Current time.


Most countries would agree. But, they will hide behind Cyprus/Greece for as long as possible and pretend they support Turkish accession.
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Kikapu » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:22 am

Ironically, solving the Cyprus problem first before EU membership, has become prerequisite for Turkey. :shock:

Ain't that a bitch, huh VP! :lol:
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:23 am

Kikapu wrote:Ironically, solving the Cyprus problem first before EU membership, has become prerequisite for Turkey. :shock:

Ain't that a bitch, huh VP! :lol:


Ace! :D

- or, should that be 'checkmate'. :wink:
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Get Real! » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:27 am

It’s more like an indefinite Check! :lol:
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Re: why was the roc allowed to join the EU?

Postby Bananiot » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:38 am

Okay, a scholarly article, taken at face value, but at this stage I would like to challenge every body that lived in Cyprus during the period between 1999 to 2002, to come out clean and tell us what the well known rejectionist politicians were telling us about the Helsinki treaty. These politicians included Papadopoulos, Koutsou, Omirou and certain elements of the DISI party. Let me jolt their memory. In those days we heard a lot of Helsinki with a tail, by these rejectionists who made it their aim of life to get us bananiots to believe that Helsinki was a sell out. Every day they mercilessly attacked Simitis, Klerides and Vasiliou for accepting the treaty "with a tail". What was this infamous tail that caused so much stir but suddenly people have forgotten of it, to the point of supporting that the EU was defending its values and sovereignty by allowing the RoC entry?

This question has been answered comprehensively and there is no disagreement at present. The Helsinki treaty did have an impact on the interests of Cyprus because it did allow accession without solution but AND HERE IS THE TAIL - Turkey undertook to support the UN initiatives to find a solution to the Cyprus issue so that a united Cyprus would enter the EU on May 1st 2004. Until then, the Turkish policy on the accession of Cyprus, as expressed by Ismail Cem, was that Turkey would react "without boundaries" if the RoC was made a member. Turkey, by helping to find a solution, received assurances that its own ticket would be stamped. This is what we accepted and signed, but Papadopoulos, who replaced Klerides in 2003, fell for the oldest of tricks. He offered vociferous support to the treaty stipulations hoping that it wouldn't be him to reject solution but Denktash, who was also a big rejectionist of solution. He was correct in a way to assume that Denktash would say no but little did he know that the TC's and certainly the new PM of Turkey, Erdogan, would soon get rid of Denktash. Suddenly Papadopoulos found himself in a dire situation. The Turks were actually willing to go along with the UN and find solution (the tail) and we found ourselves at odds with the UN and the EU. Until today we are the black sheep of the EU and this was admitted to by Papadopoulos himself and Iacovou, who once said "brother, they will not listen to us in Brussels".
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