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Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

Verheugen is an idiot because the outcome of a democratic referendum can never be accurately predicted!

The GCs lied through their teeth and Verheugen the greatest supporter found out the hard way you cannot trust GCs

[Get Real!]

Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

Verheugen is an idiot because the outcome of a democratic referendum can never be accurately predicted!

The GCs lied through their teeth and Verheugen the greatest supporter found out the hard way you cannot trust GCs

What did they lie about VP?

[Viewpoint]

Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

Verheugen is an idiot because the outcome of a democratic referendum can never be accurately predicted!

The GCs lied through their teeth and Verheugen the greatest supporter found out the hard way you cannot trust GCs

What did they lie about VP?

Wanting a solution.

[Paphitis]

This is a common secret:

Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

After the New York agreement, when Verheugen visited Cyprus on the day the talks started he said, after meeting Papadopoulos, that their meeting was brief because of "full agreement". What do you think they agreed on? Earlier, speaking in Brussels, Verheugen said" "Papadopoulos is telling all his visitors that he is ready to restart negotiations and he is looking to find a solution in the framework of the Annan plan" and put the responsibility exclusively on the other side. "Unfortunately I cannot say the same about Mr Denktash who clearly said the Annan plan was dead and no solution could be found in the framework of this plan." The solution "cannot be found with Mr Denktash, who thinks he can still drag the rest of the world by the nose for a long time".

Is this clear for you Paphitis? Do you still think that we entered the EU on our own merit?

We played a dirty trick on them, thinking that once inside, we can find a better, so called European solution. Papadopoulos and consequently Cyprus, lost all credibility through playing a game that may work fine in some coffee shop, high on the Troodos mountains, but once again we find ourselves on the receiving end of the stick and are widely considered as the black sheep of Europe.

What is clear to me Bananiot is that Verheugen expressed his own political opinion or view about Cyprus and not EU policy as a whole.

The thing that he and Papadopoulos would have agreed to was that Papadopoulos would do everything he can to solve the Cyprus Issue. He did not agree that Cypriots will accept the Annan Plan at the referendum.

[Piratis]

So you still think that this world is made of angels, Paphitis. In any case, I suggest you read the literature of what went on at Helsinki in 1999 and the efforts of those that managed to get us into this exclusive club (Simitis, Klerides, Vasiliou) and perhaps you will really be surprised to find out that the road was not laid with roses but "certain prerequisites" needed to be guaranteed by us and which of course, in 2004, led our staunch supporter until then, Gunter Verheugen, then European Commissioner for Enlargement, shout out "you have deceived us"!

Paphitis might believe in fairy tales and that the world is made of angels but apparently you think that Verheugen has those same beliefs. Do you really think he is such an idiot?

What happened is that Greece threatened to block the whole enlargement if Cyprus was not included in the first wave of enlargement regardless if the Cyprus Problem was solved or not. Sure, both Cyprus and Greece said they would do everything possible to achieve a solution before that, and so they did. It is not our fault that the UN proposal was unacceptable.

Otherwise why wouldn't they ask from us to first say yes to Annan plan and then to join together with Romania and Bulgaria?

Also, while it is true that several EU members do not want Turkey in EU and are more than happy to use Cyprus as their excuse, there are some other members who want Turkey in EU as much as the Americans do (the UK for example) and they would obviously not want Cyprus in EU with the Cyprus Problem unsolved.

[Paphitis]

So you still think that this world is made of angels, Paphitis. In any case, I suggest you read the literature of what went on at Helsinki in 1999 and the efforts of those that managed to get us into this exclusive club (Simitis, Klerides, Vasiliou) and perhaps you will really be surprised to find out that the road was not laid with roses but "certain prerequisites" needed to be guaranteed by us and which of course, in 2004, led our staunch supporter until then, Gunter Verheugen, then European Commissioner for Enlargement, shout out "you have deceived us"!

Paphitis might believe in fairy tales and that the world is made of angels but apparently you think that Verheugen has those same beliefs. Do you really think he is such an idiot?

What happened is that Greece threatened to block the whole enlargement if Cyprus was not included in the first wave of enlargement regardless if the Cyprus Problem was solved or not. Sure, both Cyprus and Greece said they would do everything possible to achieve a solution before that, and so they did. It is not our fault that the UN proposal was unacceptable.

Otherwise why wouldn't they ask from us to first say yes to Annan plan and then to join together with Romania and Bulgaria?

Also, while it is true that several EU members do not want Turkey in EU and are more than happy to use Cyprus as their excuse, there are some other members who want Turkey in EU as much as the Americans do (the UK for example) and they would obviously not want Cyprus in EU with the Cyprus Problem unsolved.

What a load of nonsense.

You believe that the RoC's EU accession was up to Greece, in order to inflate your Hellenised ego.

The RoC had a date for EU accession and had to meet all the criteria of all the chapters, and it had done so with flying colors.

What was the EU going to do? Prevent the accession date because Turkey illegally occupies a part of its territory?

Greece could have said anything, or threatened to do anything, but do you honestly think they take Greece seriously? Let's say Greece vetoes the accession of 10 other states, what do you think they would have done to Greece? The fact is Greece was not on a winner here, and also, Cyprus didn't need Greece to Accede.

It seems to me and many others that it is YOU that believes in fairy tales, along with Bananiot. Aside from the fact I posted the same view as yourself minus Greece's overstated role in RoC accession which is nothing but bollocks!

[Bananiot]

Underdog, this thread is not about the Annan Plan. It's about "why the Roc was allowed to join the EU". Forumers here like to believe that it was just because Cyprus fulfilled all necessary criteria. This is tantamount to believing in fairy tales because it does not consider the political situation in Cyprus and the Middle East at large. This kind of thinking is totally apolitical and non pragmatic, because it is built on the notion that global, geostrategic and economic interests play second fiddle to justice, moral rights and all these wonderful things we dwell on in this forum at no cost at all. Of course, we soon had a change of heart when we sided with the Jewish State (now called Israel) as soon we sensed problems between Turkey and Israel. But this is another matter that touches the realms of hypocrisy, for those that perpetrate universal values and principles, soon forgot them when it came to supporting their own (so they think) interests.

[Paphitis]

Underdog, this thread is not about the Annan Plan. It's about "why the Roc was allowed to join the EU". Forumers here like to believe that it was just because Cyprus fulfilled all necessary criteria. This is tantamount to believing in fairy tales because it does not consider the political situation in Cyprus and the Middle East at large. This kind of thinking is totally apolitical and non pragmatic, because it is built on the notion that global, geostrategic and economic interests play second fiddle to justice, moral rights and all these wonderful things we dwell on in this forum at no cost at all. Of course, we soon had a change of heart when we sided with the Jewish State (now called Israel) as soon we sensed problems between Turkey and Israel. But this is another matter that touches the realms of hypocrisy, for those that perpetrate universal values and principles, soon forgot them when it came to supporting their own (so they think) interests.

What has Cyprus got to do with the political situation in the Middle East and why would this keep Cyprus out of the EU?

And how on earth can the political situation on the island keep Cyprus out? Why would the EU seek to punish Cyprus over circumstances not within its control. Why would Cyprus be punished by an illegal invasion and again by not being able to enter the common market?

You are stating many things Bananiot but you never provide any valid evidence.

[Bananiot]

Use your brain Paphitis. The West has an important role for Turkey as a stabilising influence on the Arab world. Now, this role is even more important than before due to the Arab spring which is threatening to change the balances that were in place for many decades in this area which has been described as a powder cake. With Iran and now Syria in the limelight, that involves Russia as well (staunch supporter of Assad with naval bases in Syria), Turkey, whether we like it or not, carries a lot of clout within the EU and NATO. Cyprus would never have been allowed to join the EU had we not consented that we would work with Turkey towards solving the Cyprus issue. Then EU would never want to incorporate the Cyprus problem in its ranks and for this they curse us and it is not just Verheugen but the whole EU. Of course we still have Russia and China on our side (we got a nice loan from Russia just recently) but we played this game before and look where it got us to.

[Me Ed]

Who is Gunter Verheugen anyway?

Is he the elected representative of any one person within any EU state?

No, he is just an appointed administrator who fundamentally has no say in who can and can't join the EU.