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[Get Real!]

Dude, here some idiots say that Greece can't be our ally because of a coup that happened like 4 decades ago even though the coup leaders were jailed and here you are telling us that the Turks can be our ally after so many decades of ongoing occupation!!

They are BOTH guilty but one still has our territory and the other a pair of soiled pom-pom shoes! So which do you want most?

GR even wants us to have a pipeline to export our gas from Turkey and the Cyprus Problem is not even solved yet!

...in order to solve it but basic strategy it seems is beyond your intellect!

So much readiness to forgive the Turks and make them our ally and so much hate for Greece! Why would some people be like this? Piratis and Hermes were right when they said that these people are just misfits and that the reason they talk in this way is because they are Charlies that can't fit in the Greek environment of Cyprus!

Because some of us are only interested in Cyprus' interests not those of Greece!

It's not in Cyprus’ interests to wear pom-pom shoes and dance to the Zorba like a garagiozi all day while 37% of Cypriot territory is under occupation! Greece is just a powerless nuisance getting in the way of a solution.

[Get Real!]

Rephrasing the original question: Why was the RoC allowed to join the EU with the Cyprus problem unsolved?

Because the CyProb solution is 100% reliant on Turkey abiding by UN resolutions so the onus is solely on Turkey, and in the meantime Cyprus was/is entitled to join a group like the EU and have her ENTIRE territory included as part of such a deal.

In fact, the EU’s official response when Denktash was crying foul back in the late 90s was that the “TRNC” is illegitimate and therefore does not have a say in the matter.

[Paphitis]

Do you still believe in fairy tales paphitis?

I most certainly do not Bananiot!

But let me tell you that I think your post is deplorable. Aside from the fact that there is no evidence that the RoC would be kept out of the EU because of an illegal invasion and plenty which suggests that the RoC would accede regardless, it seems that you condone and believe that it is right that the RoC be held to ransom by Turkey. This is a state of affairs which the EU could not possibly defend.

How can a responsible person say such a thing?

[B25]

Do you still believe in fairy tales paphitis?

I most certainly do not Bananiot!

But let me tell you that I think your post is deplorable. Aside from the fact that there is no evidence that the RoC would be kept out of the EU because of an illegal invasion and plenty which suggests that the RoC would accede regardless, it seems that you condone and believe that it is right that the RoC be held to ransom by Turkey. This is a state of affairs which the EU could not possibly defend.

How can a responsible person say such a thing?

Paphiti, have you not learnt banana yet mate? He is totally Pro Turkish, don't expect anything from him and most of all, never turn your back on him. His thesis is we should all STFU and sign over Cyprus to turkey just to keep them happy. FFS.

[Bananiot]

So you still think that this world is made of angels, Paphitis. In any case, I suggest you read the literature of what went on at Helsinki in 1999 and the efforts of those that managed to get us into this exclusive club (Simitis, Klerides, Vasiliou) and perhaps you will really be surprised to find out that the road was not laid with roses but "certain prerequisites" needed to be guaranteed by us and which of course, in 2004, led our staunch supporter until then, Gunter Verheugen, then European Commissioner for Enlargement, shout out "you have deceived us"!

[Paphitis]

So you still think that this world is made of angels, Paphitis. In any case, I suggest you read the literature of what went on at Helsinki in 1999 and the efforts of those that managed to get us into this exclusive club (Simitis, Klerides, Vasiliou) and perhaps you will really be surprised to find out that the road was not laid with roses but "certain prerequisites" needed to be guaranteed by us and which of course, in 2004, led our staunch supporter until then, Gunter Verheugen, then European Commissioner for Enlargement, shout out "you have deceived us"!

No I do not think this world is made of angels but there are certain things even the corrupt can't explain such as punishing the RoC by keeping it out of the EU just because Turkey invaded and illegally holds 37% of our territory from which it ethnically cleansed some 180,000 citizens.

Bananiot, if you have something to say, then please find us a relevant link about Helsinki 1999 and be done with it. I understand for example that various things were being debated, but what I can't fathom is how the EU was going to adequately explain keeping the RoC out due to circumstances beyond its control.

I disagree that the RoC had to offer guarantees that it was to accept the Annan Plan. The EU can't do such a thing and when they allowed the RoC in, the EU new full well that there was a big chance that the Cyprus Issue was not going to be resolved.

[boomerang]

So you still think that this world is made of angels, Paphitis. In any case, I suggest you read the literature of what went on at Helsinki in 1999 and the efforts of those that managed to get us into this exclusive club (Simitis, Klerides, Vasiliou) and perhaps you will really be surprised to find out that the road was not laid with roses but "certain prerequisites" needed to be guaranteed by us and which of course, in 2004, led our staunch supporter until then, Gunter Verheugen, then European Commissioner for Enlargement, shout out "you have deceived us"!

i disagree you on this for the simple reason that when the roc was given a date it was prior to any deal and to a ref...the roc never guaranteed a yes vote, that is why you have a ref...yes the roc commited to a ref, to which she carried out, but in a ref nothing is guaranteed...you might want to argue, negotiations could bave been better,tears, no air time, etc...but in reality the turkish lines were and still are a NO go for us...still do not buy, we got in because we promised a YES in a future ref...

i still stand the roc's entry is purely an EU insurance...look no one is lifting a finger on turkey...yeah plenty of bones flying but that's it...even to the point affecting NATO...the turks are outmaneuvered by the EU...this insurance policy already paid dividends, turkey is frozen...she is were she was when she got a date...what does that tell you?...

only US arm twisting got turkey a date...but it stopped there...dead in its tracks as they say...or are you under the impression if the EU wanted turkey in they wouldn't lean on the roc?...they already leaned on them by the roc giving a date...they must have told paps something at the time, when Chirac came and grabbed paps by the arm as an assurance it will be ok it will work out...give turkey a date...BTW the US only promised to get turkey a date...which she did...the US hasn't spend any effort after that...read the wikileaks thtread on turkey i posted...the turks always complained to the americans and surprisingly they were told to see the EU point/directives...never lifted a finger...

wake up bananiot not greece, not turkey, not the US not russia actually gives a shit...about cyprus...we are in the EU because they want us to be in the EU...

also a strong convincing cypriot leader is needed to address both sides and win confidence...unlike now that each side is negotiating what's best for each other...they need to change their thinking and negotiate on how by unifying all cypriots benefit...i am not a great fan of the current negotiations...especially the give and take part...you are dividing instead of unifying...

[Bananiot]

This is a common secret:

Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

After the New York agreement, when Verheugen visited Cyprus on the day the talks started he said, after meeting Papadopoulos, that their meeting was brief because of "full agreement". What do you think they agreed on? Earlier, speaking in Brussels, Verheugen said" "Papadopoulos is telling all his visitors that he is ready to restart negotiations and he is looking to find a solution in the framework of the Annan plan" and put the responsibility exclusively on the other side. "Unfortunately I cannot say the same about Mr Denktash who clearly said the Annan plan was dead and no solution could be found in the framework of this plan." The solution "cannot be found with Mr Denktash, who thinks he can still drag the rest of the world by the nose for a long time".

Is this clear for you Paphitis? Do you still think that we entered the EU on our own merit?

We played a dirty trick on them, thinking that once inside, we can find a better, so called European solution. Papadopoulos and consequently Cyprus, lost all credibility through playing a game that may work fine in some coffee shop, high on the Troodos mountains, but once again we find ourselves on the receiving end of the stick and are widely considered as the black sheep of Europe.

[supporttheunderdog]

The point remains that Cyprus had passed the various chapters and as far back as 1999 the EU had reached some agreement that a settlement should not be a condition of entry.

However as we know the Tur*s began to swiftly move the Goal poast in the Annan plan, to the pointb that I now firmly believe that Papdop was right to reject what was ultimately presented to him.

[Get Real!]

Gunter Verheugen made a statement before the European Parliament on Wednesday April27 2004. He said that the EU was "deceived by the government of Cyprus" because it did not keep its commitment to accept the Annan plan. Verheugen thinks he was deceived because the Cyprus government pretended it wanted solution under the Annan plan only to achieve EU accession and when accession was achieved they went back on their commitments.

Verheugen is an idiot because the outcome of a democratic referendum can never be accurately predicted!