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[kimon07]

Cyprus, apart from meeting all the admission conditions, was promised to be granted an admission date during the EU summit of December 2002, provided the Annan Plan II wouldd first be signed by both sides.
Clerides ans Kashulides went there prepared to sign but the three stooges, my Heroes (Denktash, Erdogan and Gul) rejected the plan. That proved to everybody that the Turks were just trying to keep CY out of the EU until Turkey would first become a member, i.e., NEVER.
That, together with Greece's threat to veto the enlargement did the trick.

[Paphitis]

Cyprus, apart from meeting all the admission conditions, was promised to be granted an admission date during the EU summit of December 2002, provided the Annan Plan II wouldd first be signed by both sides.
Clerides ans Kashulides went there prepared to sign but the three stooges, my Heroes (Denktash, Erdogan and Gul) rejected the plan. That proved to everybody that the Turks were just trying to keep CY out of the EU until Turkey would first become a member, i.e., NEVER.
That, together with Greece's threat to veto the enlargement did the trick.

Once again Kimon, please stop posting rubbish because The Annan Plan was NEVER a precondition for Cyprus joining the EU.

This was official EU policy!

Read points 8 and 9 under the sub heading of The Enlargement Process from this official link!

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm

Which also means that Greece's so called "threats" were not required!

[Kikapu]

Again you are barking up the wrong tree, does Turkey look like a country who gives a shit about entering the EU? Doesnt a country that gives a shit do everything to meet the entry requirements? They are just not cut out to be a full EU member and should never enter an aging and economically stumbling block of nations destined to disintegrate.

No EU aspiration means no GC leverage.

An old Turkish proverb,

"Sakla Samani, Gelir Zamani"

Time does not matter, if and when Turkey wants to be a member.

Cyprus is already a EU member and will always hold the key for Turkey's EU future.

The longer Turkey waits, more it will cost her in the long run for her to become a EU member.

What will happen to the TCs when the time comes for Turkey to pay the price, is what you should be concerned about than the GCs leverage, because that leverage is always going to be there?

As Turkey modernizes, so will it's peoples ideology, who will want to become Europeans.

What will happen to the TCs when that time comes?

Erdogan and the Islamist are not always going to run the country.

What will happen to the TCs when the Turks want to become Europeans?

With the continued increase in our numbers and a return to our Turkish roots a new generation TC will evolve. As for Turkey they will never enter the EU in your or my life time so nothing to worry about.

You are full of contradictions.

With the continued increase in our numbers and a return to our Turkish roots a new generation TC will evolve.

Osmosis only works from lower concentration to higher concentration and not the other way around.

75 million Turks vs. 100,000 TCs. You do the math.

Only citizens of the RoC are TCs. The rest are and will always be, Illegal Aliens.

So when Turkey wants to become Europeans and a EU member, most of the TCs would have become Osmose by then according to you through marriage, which means, you would have solved the problem for the GCs and that Cyprus would become a "Greek Island"!

What will happen to the remaining TCs in a "Greek Island"?

[Viewpoint]

Thats there problem not ours, as you say the TRNC due to its very close ties to Turkey call it assimilation or osmosis it will happen through marriage and other ways, we accepted this situation in 1974 and continue to do so today as the alternative osmosis or assimilation with GCs is totally unacceptable and is confirmed by the numbers of TCs who choose to remain in the TRNC when they have the option of moving south tomorrow to your so called promised land.

The problem is not for new generation TCs but the GCs will they want to unite with the population in the TRNC with so much osmosis and assimilation, where each person will have some TC heritage through the generations?

When will you understand that TCs prefer the current situation to what the GCs have to offer, if what you claim was so appealing and attractive wouldnt we all be flocking to the south today?

[kimon07]

Once again Kimon, please stop posting rubbish because The Annan Plan was NEVER a precondition for Cyprus joining the EU.

This was official EU policy!

Read points 8 and 9 under the sub heading of The Enlargement Process from this official link!

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm

Try reading between the lines now!

(b) The European Council underlines that a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union. If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition. In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors. (i.e., such as, if a plan was submitted to the parties, which party rejected it, what was the stance of the RoC to it etc).

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm


Annan Plans I & II

Following the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1250 of 29 June 1999, which requested the Secretary-General to invite the two leaders of the communities on Cyprus to negotiations, Alvaro de Soto was appointed as Special Advisor to the Secretary-General on Cyprus (1 Nov.), the Secretary-General visited Turkey and President Clinton visited Turkey and Greece (November),[3] and proximity talks in New York were arranged beginning 3 December. The motivation for this renewed attempt at a Cyprus settlement was Cyprus’ impending membership of the EU, and the fear that this development would create an obstacle to Turkey’s hopes of joining.

This prospect was of particular concern not only to Turkey, but also to the USA and the UK, which were both keen to promote Turkey’s membership of the EU.[4][5]

A further concern was the future of the British military bases and installations on Cyprus which were regarded as essential by both the UK and USA.
On 10-11 December the Helsinki EU summit’s conclusions welcomed the launch of the talks in New York and declared that “a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union.” This was followed by the observation that “If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition.” However the EU kept its options open by adding: “In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors.”[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus

Do you honestly believe that the Britain and the USA would had let the EU grant an accession date to CY if the RoC had also said no to Annan II??

[Paphitis]

Once again Kimon, please stop posting rubbish because The Annan Plan was NEVER a precondition for Cyprus joining the EU.

This was official EU policy!

Read points 8 and 9 under the sub heading of The Enlargement Process from this official link!

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm

Try reading between the lines now!

(b) The European Council underlines that a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union. If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition. In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors. (i.e., such as, if a plan was submitted to the parties, which party rejected it, what was the stance of the RoC to it etc).

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm


Annan Plans I & II

Following the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1250 of 29 June 1999, which requested the Secretary-General to invite the two leaders of the communities on Cyprus to negotiations, Alvaro de Soto was appointed as Special Advisor to the Secretary-General on Cyprus (1 Nov.), the Secretary-General visited Turkey and President Clinton visited Turkey and Greece (November),[3] and proximity talks in New York were arranged beginning 3 December. The motivation for this renewed attempt at a Cyprus settlement was Cyprus’ impending membership of the EU, and the fear that this development would create an obstacle to Turkey’s hopes of joining.

This prospect was of particular concern not only to Turkey, but also to the USA and the UK, which were both keen to promote Turkey’s membership of the EU.[4][5]

A further concern was the future of the British military bases and installations on Cyprus which were regarded as essential by both the UK and USA.
On 10-11 December the Helsinki EU summit’s conclusions welcomed the launch of the talks in New York and declared that “a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union.” This was followed by the observation that “If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition.” However the EU kept its options open by adding: “In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors.”[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus

Do you honestly believe that the Britain and the USA would had let the EU grant an accession date to CY if the RoC had also said no to Annan II??

Kimon, I gave up "reading between the lines" or analysing innuendos or hearsay when it comes to analysing politics with regard to anything let alone the Cyprus Problem.

Only the facts will do! Hearsay does not do it for me nor any other responsible analysis of very important issues.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm

8. The European Council notes with satisfaction the substantive work undertaken and progress which has been achieved in accession negotiations with Cyprus, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, the Czech Republic and Slovenia.

9. (a) The European Council welcomes the launch of the talks aiming at a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem on 3 December in New York and expresses its strong support for the UN Secretary-General’s efforts to bring the process to a successful conclusion.

(b) The European Council underlines that a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union. If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition. In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors.

[Get Real!]

Cyprus, apart from meeting all the admission conditions, ....

Thanks, case closed!

[Get Real!]

Try reading between the lines now!

(b) The European Council underlines that a political settlement will facilitate the accession of Cyprus to the European Union. If no settlement has been reached by the completion of accession negotiations, the Council’s decision on accession will be made without the above being a precondition. In this the Council will take account of all relevant factors. (i.e., such as, if a plan was submitted to the parties, which party rejected it, what was the stance of the RoC to it etc).

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/summits/hel1_en.htm

That's the very problem Kimon... you're NOT supposed to read between any lines because all you'll find is white space!

Just read what’s ON the lines where you’ll find that someone is suggesting that a political settlement would be helpful and reminding that “without the above being a precondition”!

Nothing could be clearer.

[humanist]

Cyprus was allowed into the EU, because it RoCs ......... she is the jewel of the Mediteranian

[kurupetos]

Cyprus was allowed into the EU, because it RoCs ......... she is the jewel of the Mediteranian

No, the jewel of Hellenism.