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[boomerang]

i have trouble getting my head around when the turks/tcs, well the tcs are parrots anyway, go around saying they had the right to intervene, blah blah...but the guarantor rights everyone knows that it does not extend to ethnic cleassing, ie ECHR rulings, colononization, US resolutions etc...but they still go around claiming what they did is right...

what i do not see is greece or the UK contesting this in open platforms not even to the UN...why is that?...why are they staying quite on this?

could it be that they have exchanged documents between each other and this could be the reason turkey is not pushed?...maybe she is threatening to reveal coz if they did she is not going to fall on her own...

could this also be another huge reason as to why greece is not releasing the cyprus file?...she prefers the easiest and current path of assimilation/brainwashing as she did in the past?...in other words what we have is a crime in perpetuity...wild thoughts you say...hold on...not so, of a wild thought...turkey has been successfull in this in the north...plenty of sheep north and south thats for sure...

so the crimes in cyprus by both turkey and greece are still continuing...

i would have more respect for greeks and greek wannabies if greece revealed her role, read sell out in all this...i would have expected honesty befitting a mature nation as they go around with their usual rhetoric, democrasy, human rights, we gave the world so much, etc...but when it's too close to home they clam up...me thinks not very honest, not a mature nation, and not only very ungreek of them but also not very european of them...

i would expect the same from the turks, but we all know they are just as bad as the greeks...

BC it looks like it's time for facebook...why doesn't greece release the cyprus file...

[bill cobbett]

Oh Gawd! ... ...

[boomerang]

the crime in perpetuity needs to end...food for thought?...

[Piratis]

Greece condemns the Turkish invasion and occupation and therefore doesn't recognize that what Turkey did or is doing is its right as a guarantor. The same goes for most of the world.

Trying to equate the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus which go on for 37 years with the responsibility of Greece, is what every Turkish partitionist who is trying to excuse the invasion and occupation has ever done. I am sure the partitionists of this forum will be very pleased with you for assisting their cause. The Junta collaborated with the Turks to harm Cyprus and unfortunately you are not any different from them. Cyprus would be much better off without such traitors.

[boomerang]

wow man quickly somebody throw him a couple of tissues he is starting to drip...

this is where you tiny little brain has getting probelms getting around...the double enosis was schemed way before the junta came around...the junta just executed it...why you think the cyprus file won't be released?...if it was as simple as you simpletons wish it to be greece would have NO problem whatsoever in releasing the cyprus file and putting the blame squarely on the junta...but she is not...and this alone should be ringing alarm bells...

further more yes there are resolutions etc on turkey, BUT GREECE NEVER ONCE CALLED TURKEY ON THE GUARANTOR RIGHTS straight to the turks face...pussies

i am not equating nothing, if anything i am up front and recognise that both fucked up countries, greece and turkey, are still continiuing with the fucking crimes...but even this you are too stupid to see...

and you call others traitors because of what exactly, not falling in line via brute force assimilation read coup, and accepting the double enosis losing 1/3 of the island...and absolve greece of her crimes?...now keep on bending over...

piraris and the other greek wannabies bendovers...you have no problem accepting the greek crimes and even forgive her for these crimes but what you have become is guilty by association and accessories after the fact and you call others traitors...you simpletons don't know the meaning of the word...

you want facts piratis, greece screwed cyprus to the bone and not fairy tales?...

from 64 to 74 the gcs were running the roc without tc participation, no veto, pretend/partial enosis was achieved...if the aim was to eliminate tcs from government organs, it was achieved...why when the greeks in greece in a "won" situtation in cyprus having achieved their objectives go for the coup?...can you think of any reason?...

it's not really a question if the greek wannabies want the truth but a question if they can handle the truth...big difference...

PS...asking questions as to any "why" does not make you a traitor...accepting blindly and bending over with either a greek "ballotjie" or a turkish "ballotjie" or a UK "ballotjie" is what makes you a traitor...learn the meaning of words before you start throwing words around...or either keep your trap shut and look stupid rather than opening it thus removing all doubt...

[Piratis]

The level of your intelligence is obvious so I don't need to comment on that.

i am not equating nothing, if anything i am up front and recognise that both fucked up countries, greece and turkey, are still continiuing with the fucking crimes

Therefore you ARE equating. Turkey illegally occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus, continues to refuse to the 100s of thousands of refugees who were ethnically cleansed to return to their homes, continues to transfer illegal Settlers to Cyprus, gives our properties to Turkish Settlers and foreigners, destroys our cultural heritage, doesn't recognize RoC, doesn't recognize our right to the gas finds on the south of the island, violates our air-space on a daily basis, threatens Cyprus on every occasion etc etc.

What are the continuing crimes of Greece? Greece is in fact the country that supports the RoC more than any other country in the world. You sound like the most extreme Turks who are looking for excuses to justify the continuing crimes of Turkey against Cyprus.

Everything else was already answered:

Greece has jailed the leaders of the Junta and this is an action that counts more than any empty words. Those who were responsible have been punished and this is more than a mere apology from them. The Greek goverment did more than any other goverment to punish those responsible for the events of 74. Turkey treated its own criminals as heros, while Cyprus, with the exception of Sampson, has punished nobody else. Beyond that you can not hold all Greeks responsible for the actions of a few. If that was the case then since Sampson and others like him were Cypriot that would mean that the whole Cyprus is responsible for the actions of a few Cypriots. If that is what you believe, and since you claim that you are Cypriot, then when did YOU apologize?

Regarding the release of confidential files, neither Greece, nor Turkey, nor the UK have released their files for the events in Cyprus in 1974. Either we like it or not we were forced to be a separate country from the rest of Greece, and no country sends to another government its confidential documents. The only reason you see something sinister in this is because you are a Greek-hater. Otherwise why wouldn't you demand the same from Turkey and UK? (and from every government on every issue for that matter)

[boomerang]

The level of your intelligence is obvious so I don't need to comment on that.

i am not equating nothing, if anything i am up front and recognise that both fucked up countries, greece and turkey, are still continiuing with the fucking crimes

Therefore you ARE equating. Turkey illegally occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus, continues to refuse to the 100s of thousands of refugees who were ethnically cleansed to return to their homes, continues to transfer illegal Settlers to Cyprus, gives our properties to Turkish Settlers and foreigners, destroys our cultural heritage, doesn't recognize RoC, doesn't recognize our right to the gas finds on the south of the island, violates our air-space on a daily basis, threatens Cyprus on every occasion etc etc.

What are the continuing crimes of Greece? Greece is in fact the country that supports the RoC more than any other country in the world. You sound like the most extreme Turks who are looking for excuses to justify the continuing crimes of Turkey against Cyprus.

Everything else was already answered:

Greece has jailed the leaders of the Junta and this is an action that counts more than any empty words. Those who were responsible have been punished and this is more than a mere apology from them. The Greek goverment did more than any other goverment to punish those responsible for the events of 74. Turkey treated its own criminals as heros, while Cyprus, with the exception of Sampson, has punished nobody else. Beyond that you can not hold all Greeks responsible for the actions of a few. If that was the case then since Sampson and others like him were Cypriot that would mean that the whole Cyprus is responsible for the actions of a few Cypriots. If that is what you believe, and since you claim that you are Cypriot, then when did YOU apologize?

Regarding the release of confidential files, neither Greece, nor Turkey, nor the UK have released their files for the events in Cyprus in 1974. Either we like it or not we were forced to be a separate country from the rest of Greece, and no country sends to another government its confidential documents. The only reason you see something sinister in this is because you are a Greek-hater. Otherwise why wouldn't you demand the same from Turkey and UK? (and from every government on every issue for that matter)

if my level of intelligence was low why would you bother answering and frothing at the mouth?...huh?...not only an idiotic comment but the rest of my the post went over your head...but understandable as it's typical of closed minded bordering retardism people...this is what you get for graduating from the greek madrasa...

you say greece is only country that supports the roc than any other country...but no other country fucked the roc to the bone as much as greece did...come to think of it with brothers and sisters as such who would need enemies, huh?...

the problem with you is you are unable to get your head around that the scheeming started well before 67...junta came to power in 67...how do you account for this potato head?...

i told you before if it was straight forward and the cyprus file was all about the junta, greece wold have been flaunting it anywhere and everywhere...unfortunately for you simpletons this isn't the case...for the fact that greece isn't releasing and showing the damage she alone did to her "people" should be ringing alarm bells...get it?...

[Kikapu]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

[SKI-preo]

A nation cannot compromise its sovereignty!

Turkey should give us guarantor "rights".

Also, Why are they "rights"...they should be called obligations!

[zan]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

You say you dont want to dismiss them and then go ahead and DO

The scars are open wounds and this clown tries to dismiss them Not only that but they rub salt into the wound with the Greek flags that show they are still interested.

Who double crossed who again If they were planning a double ENOSIS for instance...Would the coup be the double cross? only in balanced minds it seems.

The big EU stick has now turned into a final time frame for partition or sense in negotiations...Is this a dagger I see before me!!!!!!!!