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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby Kikapu » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:As Halil would say, "there's two sides to a coin"!

Kikapu, you are OUTRAGEOUS as far as your stance on this matter is concerned! :?

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In answering to Zan, I was not saying that what Greece did was justifiable or even accepted and that one must also look at the other side of the coin to see what Cyprus was doing also, to bring about such calamity to Cyprus. Not at all. All I was saying by using Halil's phase was, that despite bad things that were done to Cyprus by Greece as being one side of the coin, the other side of the coin benefited Cyprus through the same Greece that did the bad things to Cyprus, that's all. :roll:

I didn't think I ad to explain myself of the obvious, but I can see where one could also misinterpret what the phrase Halil uses to mean, since it is generally meant that the two sides of the coin meaning to be what the GCs and the TCs did to each other in the past and even at the present time!
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby boulio » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Greece threatened a veto to the whole ascesion process if cyprus did not get a date as well.which meant all the eastern european counties would not get in.concerning papandreou he was in favor of annan 3 alot different than annan 5
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby Piratis » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:15 pm

When DISY, the biggest party in Cyprus, and its leader Anastasiades who wants to be the next president of Cyprus, and the former presidents of Cyprus Cleredes and Vassiliou supported the Annan plan, why Papandreou, who was not even the Prime Minister back then, could not do the same? The politicians in both Greece and Cyprus act in no different way. I agree with some I disagree with others.

As far as EU goes, Cyprus would have never been accepted with the Cyprus Problem unsolved if it wasn't for Greece.

Lastly, there is the issue that some observers regard as the unexploded bomb beneath the whole enlargement process: Cyprus. At present, the island is divided into a Turkish-occupied and a Greek-occupied part. The EU is negotiating only with the Greek part, but has made it clear that it is extremely reluctant to admit a divided island to membership. The hope is still that the prospect of enlargement will spur a Cyprus settlement, allowing the Union to welcome a reunited island as a member. But so far there is no sign of progress in the peace talks.

This confronts the Union with a dilemma. Admitting a divided island would enrage and possibly destabilise Turkey, an important strategic partner. That is reason enough for many existing members to oppose the idea; indeed the Dutch Parliament has passed a resolution saying that it would vote against any enlargement that included a divided Cyprus. But the Greeks are equally adamant that their bit of Cyprus must be allowed into the Union. The Greek Parliament would very likely veto any enlargement that keeps Cyprus out.

The top ranks of the EU are utterly divided on what to do. One senior EU official says that, faced with the certainty of a Greek veto of enlargement, the EU would have to let in a divided Cyprus because “we simply cannot let the whole of Central Europe be held hostage by the Cyprus question.” Across the road, another top official says it is “inconceivable” that the EU would let in a divided Cyprus.

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The EU is a battleground for the long and bitter dispute between Greece and Turkey.

Recently, Turkey warned that if the divided island of Cyprus became an EU member, it would annex the north.

Greece, for its part, has threatened to block all the EU's enlargement ambitions if Cyprus is not included in the first round of expansion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1694326.stm
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:21 pm

Piratis wrote:As far as EU goes, Cyprus would have never been accepted with the Cyprus Problem unsolved if it wasn't for Greece.

If you wanted to find out what the EU felt about admitting Cyprus you would’ve investigated EU reports on the matter not petty newspaper gossip!


6. BILATERAL RELATIONS EU-CYPRUS
a. The accession process

On 6 March 1995, the General Affairs Council Conclusion confirmed Cyprus's suitability for membership and established that accession negotiations with Cyprus would start 6 months after the end of the Intergovernmental Conference


http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/archive ... rus_en.htm

MANY EU reports conducted by experts had been written up on this matter and many addressed the reasons why Cyprus was being admitted (and it had NOTHING to do with Greece) and also the reasons the negative Turkish/TC stance was being rejected.

Links to reports and such can be found here that the RoC govt keeps...

http://kypros.org/CY-EU/eng/07_documents/index.htm
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:39 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Piratis wrote:As far as EU goes, Cyprus would have never been accepted with the Cyprus Problem unsolved if it wasn't for Greece.

If you wanted to find out what the EU felt about admitting Cyprus you would’ve investigated EU reports on the matter not petty newspaper gossip!


6. BILATERAL RELATIONS EU-CYPRUS
a. The accession process

On 6 March 1995, the General Affairs Council Conclusion confirmed Cyprus's suitability for membership and established that accession negotiations with Cyprus would start 6 months after the end of the Intergovernmental Conference


http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/archive ... rus_en.htm

MANY EU reports conducted by experts had been written up on this matter and many addressed the reasons why Cyprus was being admitted (and it had NOTHING to do with Greece) and also the reasons the negative Turkish/TC stance was being rejected.

Links to reports and such can be found here that the RoC govt keeps...

http://kypros.org/CY-EU/eng/07_documents/index.htm


What happened between 1995 and 2004?

From your own link, even in 2003 they were saying :

Günter Verheugen said : « There is a window of opportunity for a a united Cyprus joining the European Union by 1 May 2004. The Commission is ready to assist any further efforts to contribute to a comprehensive settlement on the basis of the UN plan, which remains on the table.
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:02 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:What happened between 1995 and 2004?

From your own link, even in 2003 they were saying :

Günter Verheugen said : « There is a window of opportunity for a a united Cyprus joining the European Union by 1 May 2004. The Commission is ready to assist any further efforts to contribute to a comprehensive settlement on the basis of the UN plan, which remains on the table.

And your RELEVANT point being what? :?
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby boulio » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:33 pm

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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby Kikapu » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Piratis wrote:As far as EU goes, Cyprus would have never been accepted with the Cyprus Problem unsolved if it wasn't for Greece.

If you wanted to find out what the EU felt about admitting Cyprus you would’ve investigated EU reports on the matter not petty newspaper gossip!


6. BILATERAL RELATIONS EU-CYPRUS
a. The accession process

On 6 March 1995, the General Affairs Council Conclusion confirmed Cyprus's suitability for membership and established that accession negotiations with Cyprus would start 6 months after the end of the Intergovernmental Conference


http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/archive ... rus_en.htm

MANY EU reports conducted by experts had been written up on this matter and many addressed the reasons why Cyprus was being admitted (and it had NOTHING to do with Greece) and also the reasons the negative Turkish/TC stance was being rejected.

Links to reports and such can be found here that the RoC govt keeps...

http://kypros.org/CY-EU/eng/07_documents/index.htm


GR, all the above links tells us is, that the decision was made by the European Council to admit Cyprus into the EU regardless what the outcome of the AP was. No one is doubting that. The question is, did Greece play a part for the European Council in maintaining that stance throughout RoC's accession process.? The wheeling and dealing on how the RoC reached to that stage where she would be guaranteed a EU membership by the European Council is not discussed in your links as far as I know.
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:What happened between 1995 and 2004?

From your own link, even in 2003 they were saying :

Günter Verheugen said : « There is a window of opportunity for a a united Cyprus joining the European Union by 1 May 2004. The Commission is ready to assist any further efforts to contribute to a comprehensive settlement on the basis of the UN plan, which remains on the table.

And your RELEVANT point being what? :?


You were trying to contradict Piratis' statement, that Greece assisted Cyprus' EU accession, by offering some links. Suggesting instead that Cyprus' EU entry was guaranteed. But your links do not support this. Kikapu has also pointed out their inadequacy for drawing such a conclusion.
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Re: greece and turkey guarantor rights

Postby boulio » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:51 pm

kikapu also the fact that cypriot accesion is not just the council but every member states parliment as well.it could have easily been blocked by ie sweden(very pro turkish)or great britain but wasent under threat of veto.
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