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[boomerang]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

i hear you kikapu...there is niothin friendly about greece getting the roc in the EU with threatening to stop all the other countries...do you actually believe greece ever had so much power?...come on man...

powers to be decided the roc will be getting in thats all...the illegals are gonna use EU law at the end and there is nothing you can do about it...

something sinister is brewing i tell yeah and again the common denominator, greece...

kiks you need to understand greece and turkey could sell cyprus from under our feet at any given time...don't pay lip service...they have a proven record...

our fellow brother george papandreou wanted us to sigh the annan plan...see another attempt at sellout...

[Kikapu]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

You say you dont want to dismiss them and then go ahead and DO

The scars are open wounds and this clown tries to dismiss them Not only that but they rub salt into the wound with the Greek flags that show they are still interested.

Who double crossed who again If they were planning a double ENOSIS for instance...Would the coup be the double cross? only in balanced minds it seems.

The big EU stick has now turned into a final time frame for partition or sense in negotiations...Is this a dagger I see before me!!!!!!!!

No, nothing is dismissed, not unless you are also suffering from full comprehension of the written English Language, like VP does.

As Halil would say, "there's two sides to a coin"!

Zan, it seems the only thing you care about more than anything else when it comes to the Cyprus issue, is what benefits Turkey and the Turks more than what benefits Cyprus and Cypriots, therefore, the ONLY thing you should then really be concerned with since Cyprus becoming an EU member with the help of Greece, is this;

Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future.

[Get Real!]

...one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004.

There’s no such thing as one country getting another country into the EU! ALL candidate countries have to undergo the same prerequisite processes and evaluations and Cyprus certainly did!

Now if Greece put in a good word for Cyprus here and there during those processes big deal! Does that exonerate Greece from the appalling scheming and 1974 attack on Cyprus that ultimately lead to the ridiculous situation Cyprus faces today???

I don’t think so and I find it preposterous to even suggest such a softening of the blow!

[Get Real!]

As Halil would say, "there's two sides to a coin"!

Kikapu, you are OUTRAGEOUS as far as your stance on this matter is concerned!

Victims...

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[Kikapu]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory intact back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

i hear you kikapu...there is niothin friendly about greece getting the roc in the EU with threatening to stop all the other countries...do you actually believe greece ever had so much power?...come on man...

powers to be decided the roc will be getting in thats all...the illegals are gonna use EU law at the end and there is nothing you can do about it...

something sinister is brewing i tell yeah and again the common denominator, greece...

kiks you need to understand greece and turkey could sell cyprus from under our feet at any given time...don't pay lip service...they have a proven record...

our fellow brother george papandreou wanted us to sigh the annan plan...see another attempt at sellout...

Boomer,

George Papandreou had no choice but to make believe he was supporting the Annan Plan in public, since he was also pushing others to let Cyprus into the EU. It was just one more deception that had to be played by Papandreou and Papadopoulos against the deceptions played by the enemies of Cyprus from Blair to Bush, to Erdogan to Verheugen that the AP was actually a Peace Plan rather than the Piece Plan that it actually was, for Cyprus to be taken apart piece by piece!

[boomerang]

kiks the roc had already accepted to join...this came later...papandreou should have kept his trap shut...he lost the election and one of the reasons was his backing of the annan plan...

beware greeks baring gifts... ...oh the irony...

PS...nothing will ever repair the damage and havoc they caused...not to say i forgive/excuse the turks, they are just as bad as each other...partners in crime...

[Kikapu]

...one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory in tack back in 2004.

There’s no such thing as one country getting another country into the EU! ALL candidate countries have to undergo the same prerequisite processes and evaluations and Cyprus certainly did!

Now if Greece put in a good word for Cyprus here and there during those processes big deal! Does that exonerate Greece from the appalling scheming and 1974 attack on Cyprus that ultimately lead to the ridiculous situation Cyprus faces today???

I don’t think so and I find it preposterous to even suggest such a softening of the blow!

That's why the crimes committed by Greece against Cyprus are not forgiven or forgotten at all, but Cyprus getting into the EU with the help of Greece does makes things easier for Cyprus today than had Cyprus not entered the EU. Past bad deeds done to Cyprus by others cannot be changed or forgotten, but at the same time, we shouldn't refuse or accept if these wrong doers wanted to make up for their crimes in anyway they can, specially if it furthers Cyprus's cause for a better future than the one in the past. I'm still waiting for Turkey to makes things better for Cyprus with some good deeds coming from her. It does not mean however, that her past and present crimes against Cyprus will be forgiven or forgotten.

[Paphitis]

I don't want to dismiss anything what Boomer, Paphitis, GR and others are saying regarding Greece's role in collaboration with Turkey and UK to partition Cyprus between themselves, even leading up to and beyond the official agreements built into the 1959 Zurich agreements under the disguised "Cyprus Independence", but at the same time, one cannot ignore in Greece making up for her earlier mistakes on Cyprus by making sure Cyprus would become an EU member with 100% of her territory intact back in 2004. Call it what you want as to why Greece did this great favour for Cyprus, guilty conscience perhaps or revenge against Turkey's double crossing Greece in their double enosis agreements in 1974, I don't know and it doesn't really matter, because what it really matters today is, that Cyprus has been given a huge political EU stick to beat Turkey over the head with it. In retrospect, what has Turkey and the UK have done to pay for their own aggressions in the past and present towards Cyprus? Without Cyprus being in the EU, there would not be any chance that she would be able to bring the Gas & Oil to the surface in the future or even have any sense of protection of further aggressions from Turkey, specially now that Turkey is already on the island. Without Cyprus being in the EU, Israel/Cyprus cooperation pact would not have emerged, nor would Cyprus would be on the world's stage.

Yes it is true, that scars of past Greece's double enosis crimes against Cyprus are still present on the island and Greece cannot be excused for them, but the present problems are no longer what Greece is doing in violating Cypriots Human Rights, but what Turkey is doing in not respecting Cypriots Human Rights, but continuing in violating them. Greece helping Cyprus to become an EU member may have helped Greece deal with her own past ghosts and bad deeds on Cyprus, but at the same time, Cyprus as an EU member has been able to stand up against Turkey's recent aggressions and threats with the backing of the EU, even when Turkey is still occupying northern part of Cyprus. Since 2004, EU member Cyprus has been given a new "lifeline" in solving the Cyprus problems, to be based on EU Principles by placing her on a leveled playing field vs. with Turkey's military might. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, Cyprus will always be Turkey's biggest headache and a large thorn at her side, now and in the future. At least in some small way, Cypriots can thank Greece for making this happen, despite her past mistakes towards Cypriots and Cyprus, because without an EU membership, Cyprus would have remained at the mercy of others in the years to come. No longer this is the case since 2004!

i hear you kikapu...there is niothin friendly about greece getting the roc in the EU with threatening to stop all the other countries...do you actually believe greece ever had so much power?...come on man...

powers to be decided the roc will be getting in thats all...the illegals are gonna use EU law at the end and there is nothing you can do about it...

something sinister is brewing i tell yeah and again the common denominator, greece...

kiks you need to understand greece and turkey could sell cyprus from under our feet at any given time...don't pay lip service...they have a proven record...

our fellow brother george papandreou wanted us to sigh the annan plan...see another attempt at sellout...

Boomer,

George Papandreou had no choice but to make believe he was supporting the Annan Plan in public, since he was also pushing others to let Cyprus into the EU. It was just one more deception that had to be played by Papandreou and Papadopoulos against the deceptions played by the enemies of Cyprus from Blair to Bush, to Erdogan to Verheugen that the AP was actually a Peace Plan rather than the Piece Plan that it actually was, for Cyprus to be taken apart piece by piece!

Papandreou did a lot of damage to Papadopoulos and Cyprus by publicly supporting the Annan Plan. How many times did we have to hear that Turkey and Greece support the Annan Plan while Cypriots rejected it hence insinuating that we were "unreasonable" all along?

[Kikapu]

kiks the roc had already accepted to join...this came later...papandreou should have kept his trap shut...he lost the election and one of the reasons was his backing of the annan plan...

beware greeks baring gifts... ...oh the irony...

PS...nothing will ever repair the damage and havoc they caused...not to say i forgive/excuse the turks, they are just as bad as each other...partners in crime...

I understand, Boomers, but he was representing Greece and Greece helped get Cyprus into the EU. He may have had ulterior motives, I don't know, but he had no other choice but to support the AP in public, just like everyone what everyone else did at the time, including Papandropoulos. Denktash did in it private. (for my good friend, Bananiot )

[Kikapu]

Boomer,

George Papandreou had no choice but to make believe he was supporting the Annan Plan in public, since he was also pushing others to let Cyprus into the EU. It was just one more deception that had to be played by Papandreou and Papadopoulos against the deceptions played by the enemies of Cyprus from Blair to Bush, to Erdogan to Verheugen that the AP was actually a Peace Plan rather than the Piece Plan that it actually was, for Cyprus to be taken apart piece by piece!

Papandreou did a lot of damage to Papadopoulos and Cyprus by publicly supporting the Annan Plan. How many times did we have to hear that Turkey and Greece support the Annan Plan while Cypriots rejected it hence insinuating that we were "unreasonable" all along?

Paphitis, as the saying goes, "You cannot make an omelette without first breaking few eggs".

The prize was the EU membership. There had to price paid for this. Without this price paid, today the RoC would not be in the good situation she finds herself, which is far better place than had she hadn't been able to get into the EU with the help from Greece. Look for the silver-lining in what Greece did for Cyprus with the EU membership since we can't change the past of the bad things she also did to Cyprus. If today Turkey wanted to make things right in Cyprus, would we reject it, just because of all the bad things she has done to Cyprus and Cypriots in the last 50+ years? I hope the answer is a "NO".