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Time for the German Reparations?

Postby kimon07 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:57 am

We will greatly appreciate your signature on our petition requesting the German government to honor its long-overdue obligations to Greece by repaying the forcibly obtained occupation loan, and by paying war reparations proportional to the material damages, atrocities and plundering committed by the German war machine during World War II.
Please read the petition justification and the supporting materials provided here.

http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/

Justification:

Germany Should Pay its Long-overdue Obligations to Greece
In the summer of 1940, Mussolini, perceiving the presence of German soldiers in the oilfields of Romania (an ally of Germany) as a sign of a dangerous expansion of German influence in the Balkans, decided to invade Greece. In October 1940, Greece was dragged into the Second World War by the invasion of its territory by Mussolini. To save Mussolini from a humiliating defeat, Hitler invaded Greece in April 1941.
Greece was looted and devastated by the Germans as no other country under their occupation. The German minister of Economics, Walter Funk, said Greece suffered the tribulations of war like no other country in Europe.
Upon their arrival, the Germans started to live off the country. They appropriated whatever they needed for their stay in Greece, and shipped back to Germany whatever they could lay their hands on: foodstuff, industrial products, industrial equipment and stocks, furniture, heirlooms from valuable collections, paintings, archaeological treasures, watches, jewelry, and from some houses even the metal knobs from the doors. The entire output of Greek mines of pyrites, iron ore, chrome, nickel, magnesite, manganese, bauxite, and gold was obtained for Germany. James Schafer, an American oil executive working in Greece, summed it up: “The Germans are looting for all they are worth, both openly and by forcing the Greeks to sell for worthless paper marks, issued locally” ( Mazower p.24). Mussolini complained to his minister of foreign affairs Count Ciano “The Germans have taken from the Greeks even their shoelaces”(Ciano p.387).
The massive looting of the country, the hyperinflation generated by the uncontrolled printing of German Occupation Marks by German local commanders, and the consequent economic collapse of the country, precipitated a devastating famine. In addition to providing food for the 200,000 to 400,000 Axis occupation troops stationed in Greece, the country was forced to provide the Axis forces involved in military operations in North Africa. Greek fruits, vegetables, livestock, cigarettes, water, and even refrigerators were shipped from the Greek port of Piraeus to Libyan ports (Iliadakis p. 75). The International Red Cross and other sources have estimated that between 1941 and 1943 at least 300,000 Greeks died from starvation (Blytas p. 344, Doxiadis p.37, Mazower p.23).
To read more:
http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=166

Articles
DIE WELT – Article
By admin, September 25, 2011 2:25 am
Reparations
By SVEN FELIX KELLERHOFF / DIE WELT / WORLDCRUNCH | Time.com – Tue, Sep 20, 2011

Read it here.
http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=589

Germany owes Greece
By admin, August 25, 2011 2:53 am

Albrecht Ritschl
is professor of economic history
at the London School of Economics

By: Albrecht Ritschl guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 21 June 2011
Germany owes Greece a debt Germany’s ducking of the war reparations issue makes its attitude to the current Greek debt crisis somewhat hypocritical
Read more.
http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=514

VIDEOS

BBC Video on Distomo
By admin, July 18, 2011 12:05 am
Greek battle for World War ll Nazi war crime reparations
Watch the BBC video on Distomo
17 July 2011 Last updated at 06:25 ET
Help A village in Greece is at at the centre of an international legal battle in a fight for reparations for a World War ll Nazi massacre.
http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=263

Kontomari – Crete

By admin, June 11, 2011 11:42 am
The Massacre at the Cretan Village of Kontomari, June 2, 1941
On June 2nd, 1941, the Germans, two days after they prevailed in the battle of Crete, executed all the men of the Cretan village of Kontomari in the district of Hania as a reprisal for their resistance to the German invasion of Crete.
To read more:
http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=197

“THE GREEK HOLOCAUST”
“During the Battle for Greece almost 20,000 enlisted Greek men were killed, and more than a 100,000 were wounded or frostbitten, one fifth of them ending up amputees. About 4,000 civilians were killed in air raids, which also destroyed hundreds of buildings, including churches, hospitals and schools. But those numbers pale by comparison to the loss of human life experienced during the occupation. According to conservative estimates the deaths resulting directly from the war before the war ended, adds up to about 578,000. That number comprises the deaths resulting from the persistent famine caused by the economic policies of the Axis, and the violent deaths resulting from the resistance and the reprisals; but it does not include the deaths resulting from diseases such as TB and malaria, persistent malnutrition, wounds and exposure, which are a direct result of war conditions, but which occurred shortly after the end of the war. Doxiadis estimates the overall loss of life due to the war to be 13% of the Greek population.
……….
“Two executive orders issued at the highest levels of the Third Reich played an important role in the Greek Holocaust. The first, issued by Hitler himself, was the torching directive according to which, if there was a suspicion that a residence was used by the resistance, that building was a legitimate target for burning, regardless of the possibility that the majority of the inhabitants might be non-combatants. The second order, signed by Marshal Wilhelm Keitel on 16 September 1941, specified that for every German killed, a minimum of 100 hostages would be executed, and for every wounded one, 50 would die”.

http://www.greece.org/blogs/wwii/?page_id=216
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:11 pm

kimon07 wrote:We will greatly appreciate your signature on our petition requesting the German government to honor its long-overdue obligations to Greece by repaying the forcibly obtained occupation loan, and by paying war reparations proportional to the material damages, atrocities and plundering committed by the German war machine during World War II.
Please read the petition justification and the supporting materials provided here.

And will Greece then pay her long-overdue obligations to Cyprus for her 1974 atrocities and structural damages?
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Bananiot » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:20 pm

Every time Greece was given money, either in the form of a loan or otherwise, the money was plundered by corrupt officials and this has been the hallmark of the short history of modern Greece. Fascist Germany inflicted great damage to Greece but at the same time the allies carpet-bombed Germany to submission. Yet, in no time, the Germans rose to the occasion and rebuilt their totally destroyed country from scratch and a few years later, the Greeks are asking Germany to pay for war damages. I think we are plain simple jealous of the Germans for a quality they have which we cannot match in our wildest dreams.
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:26 pm

Bananiot wrote:Every time Greece was given money, either in the form of a loan or otherwise, the money was plundered by corrupt officials and this has been the hallmark of the short history of modern Greece. Fascist Germany inflicted great damage to Greece but at the same time the allies carpet-bombed Germany to submission. Yet, in no time, the Germans rose to the occasion and rebuilt their totally destroyed country from scratch and a few years later, the Greeks are asking Germany to pay for war damages. I think we are plain simple jealous of the Germans for a quality they have which we cannot match in our wildest dreams.

And now Kimon wants Germany to compensate Greece for 70 year old global events but hasn’t the slightest interest in getting Greece to compensate Cyprus for her very personal 38 year old deeds!

Clever isn’t he? 8)
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Cap » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:41 pm

'Yet, in no time, the Germans rose to the occasion and rebuilt their totally destroyed country from scratch
..the Germans for a quality they have which we cannot match in our wildest dreams.'

I agree.
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Every time Greece was given money, either in the form of a loan or otherwise, the money was plundered by corrupt officials and this has been the hallmark of the short history of modern Greece. Fascist Germany inflicted great damage to Greece but at the same time the allies carpet-bombed Germany to submission. Yet, in no time, the Germans rose to the occasion and rebuilt their totally destroyed country from scratch and a few years later, the Greeks are asking Germany to pay for war damages. I think we are plain simple jealous of the Germans for a quality they have which we cannot match in our wildest dreams.

And now Kimon wants Germany to compensate Greece for 70 year old global events but hasn’t the slightest interest in getting Greece to compensate Cyprus for her very personal 38 year old deeds!

Clever isn’t he? 8)


Greece is our ally towards removing the Turks brought on by the actions of some GCs, some fascist Greeks, Britain, US and above all Turkey.

- Greece helped us enter the EU so we need to continue along the right path.

The stronger our allies, the sooner we solve our problem.

As for Bananiot's admiration of the German's rebuilding their country - well, that's easy since they milked those which they could!
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:57 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece is our ally towards removing the Turks brought on by the actions of some GCs, some fascist Greeks, Britain, US and above all Turkey.

The "ally" that saw fit to attack our country and remove our democratically elected government that paved the way for the Turkish invasion?

You obviously have a very foul definition for the word “ally”! :?
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece is our ally towards removing the Turks brought on by the actions of some GCs, some fascist Greeks, Britain, US and above all Turkey.

The "ally" that saw fit to attack our country and remove our democratically elected government that paved the way for the Turkish invasion?

You obviously have a very foul definition for the word “ally”! :?


Are you denying Greece is a recognised ally of the RoC?
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece is our ally towards removing the Turks brought on by the actions of some GCs, some fascist Greeks, Britain, US and above all Turkey.

The "ally" that saw fit to attack our country and remove our democratically elected government that paved the way for the Turkish invasion?

You obviously have a very foul definition for the word “ally”! :?

Are you denying Greece is a recognised ally of the RoC?

I recognize that many of you in this country are seriously fucked in the head and should have your entitlements; including your right to vote, removed. :evil:
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Re: Time for the German Reparations?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:54 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece is our ally towards removing the Turks brought on by the actions of some GCs, some fascist Greeks, Britain, US and above all Turkey.

The "ally" that saw fit to attack our country and remove our democratically elected government that paved the way for the Turkish invasion?

You obviously have a very foul definition for the word “ally”! :?

Are you denying Greece is a recognised ally of the RoC?

I recognize that many of you in this country are seriously fucked in the head and should have your entitlements; including your right to vote, removed. :evil:


And how about you? Have you ever voted for anyone who denied Greece is our ally?
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