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[bill cobbett]

Well, the bottom line is that if there is anything in these claims, a better place to pursue them is in the Courts, perhaps the ECJ might be appropriate.

[Get Real!]

Well, the bottom line is that if there is anything in these claims, a better place to pursue them is in the Courts, perhaps the ECJ might be appropriate.

Would Greece be entitled to Legal Aid?

[bill cobbett]

Well, the bottom line is that if there is anything in these claims, a better place to pursue them is in the Courts, perhaps the ECJ might be appropriate.

Would Greece be entitled to Legal Aid?

Gosh.... erm ... from the tax returns, income is below 20,000E ... so yes!

[Get Real!]

Well, the bottom line is that if there is anything in these claims, a better place to pursue them is in the Courts, perhaps the ECJ might be appropriate.

Would Greece be entitled to Legal Aid?

Gosh.... erm ... from the tax returns, income is below 20,000E ... so yes!

You forgot the brackets around the figure...

[GreekIslandGirl]

Erm ... Kimon look up the Reparations payments from WW1 ... you may be surprised to find that the payments by instalments were made and the last payment was made over about a year ago ... some 90+ years after the event.

Whilst you're looking that up... will send an Invoice to Germany for re-building London after the Blitz.

Britain did very well out of both world wars.

[Paphitis]

Erm... so what devastating past experience is missing from this thread about German Reparations ???

That there is no past experience yet??

Oh Gawd! ... think reh Kimon!... why were Reparations so limited after WW2 ?????

The answer is in the article I reposted. Here it is:

"Indeed, the London debt agreement deferred settlement of the reparations question – including the repayment of war debts and contributions imposed by Germany during the war – to a conference to be held after unification. This conference never took place: since 1990, the Germans have steadfastly refused to reopen this can of worms. Such compensation as has been paid, mostly to forced workers, was channelled through NGOs to avoid creating precedents. Only one country has challenged this openly and tried to obtain compensation in court: Greece."

You need to read the Treaty of Versailles mate and the massive reparations the allies wanted off Germany after WW1 ... and we all know where that huge debt led.

Hitler, and WW2!

Let's not forget that Germany paid another heavy price! Partion and double union with US/USSR!

That is quite enough methinks!

[yialousa1971]

Erm ... Kimon look up the Reparations payments from WW1 ... you may be surprised to find that the payments by instalments were made and the last payment was made over about a year ago ... some 90+ years after the event.

Whilst you're looking that up... will send an Invoice to Germany for re-building London after the Blitz.

Britain did very well out of both world wars.

They helped destroy Greece.

[kurupetos]

Erm ... Kimon look up the Reparations payments from WW1 ... you may be surprised to find that the payments by instalments were made and the last payment was made over about a year ago ... some 90+ years after the event.

Whilst you're looking that up... will send an Invoice to Germany for re-building London after the Blitz.

Britain did very well out of both world wars.

They helped destroy Greece.

Brits also deceived the Hellene Cypriots.
Unfortunately EOKA didn't manage to kill them all.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Erm ... Kimon look up the Reparations payments from WW1 ... you may be surprised to find that the payments by instalments were made and the last payment was made over about a year ago ... some 90+ years after the event.

Whilst you're looking that up... will send an Invoice to Germany for re-building London after the Blitz.

Britain did very well out of both world wars.

They helped destroy Greece.

Britain owes so much to Greece. Because of Greece's strong resistance, Hitler deployed troops to Greece which he was intending to use to mount an attack on the UK.

Greece saved Britain from a German invasion.

- And the Germans have never fogiven the Greeks ...

[supporttheunderdog]

The Greeks ended up playing a very valuable role in the war, however the assertion that the Greek campaign stopped an invasion of Britain is probably fanciful and in her racist efforts to promote Greece over Britain, GIG has got it wrong.

By September 1940 the RAF had secured air supremacy over the Luftwaffe and Hitler abandoned the idea of invading Britain . This was before Greece was brought in to the war,in October 1940. Thereafter by late 1940 (he signed the orders on 18th December) Hitler was planing the invasion of Russia, probably for May 1941, which would have precluded an invasion of Britain at the same time. Indeed one of the ideas of Barbarossa was that by securing a victory over the USSR Hitler would be able to persuade Britain to Surrender without invasion.

As it was, in 1940 Hitler probably had no intention of invading Greece (which was neutral) but in October 1940 Mussolini launched an attack which the Greeks defeated, and with Greece having been brought in to the war and doing well against his allies, Hitler had to send forces into Greece to bail out the Italians.

At about the same time as Mussolini attacked Greece he launched his North African campaign, which the British and commonwealth Troops soundly defeated but they were unable to clear the Italians completely out of North Africa as they sent forces to assist the Greeks against the Germans. However Germany had to send troops to North Africa too, which troops (along with the forces in Greece) could probably (from the Nazi POV) have been better deployed in the Russian Campaign.

The Russian campaign got underway a month late - this was for several reasons including bad weather preventing some critical troop movements in Poland, as well as event in Greece , and the delay however further upset the progress of the Russian campaign, which failed to met its objectives before the autumn rains and then winter set in, and it finally ground to halt not far from where IKEA now stands on the St Petersburg Road: had Leningrad (as then was) Moscow and the oilfields fallen then the chances are that Russia would have collapsed and the outcome of the war might have been different. That is however speculation.

Greek irregular guerrilla resistance started in 1941 but did not properly take off until 1942 (when again no Invasion of Britain was planned) and then was beset by fighting between groups, which allegedly included EDES under general Zervas doing a deal with the Germans to leave each other alone, so he could attack the ELAS resistance group, as a prelude to the devastating civil war of 1946-49.

By the end of 1941 the USA was in the war, and ultimately it was the Russian Victories in Europe and the Allied victories in North Africa in 1942 followed by the invasion of Italy in 1943, that set the course of the war in Europe.

This is not to denigrate the efforts of the Geek resistance fighters who effectively cleared the interior of Greece of German troops by 1944, when, in the face of the Soviet advance, they left Greece to defend Germany, rather than be isolated.