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[Piratis]

So your saying you have more right to Cyprus than the Anglo Saxons have to Britain? and that we have no rights at all?

No. What I am saying is that if you are going to question how Greek we are, then using the same arguments you can far more easily question how English the people who claim to be English are.

Personally I respect the identity of each person and I don't want to tell others what they are. I would not go to England and tell the local people that they are foreigners or tell them what their identity should be. There are Black people who claim to be English and even for them I wouldn't use your kind of arguments to tell them what they should be. People are free to have their own identities, and only arrogant racists would believe otherwise.

Edit: I mistook you for "supporttheunderdog". But what I said stands. It is a fact that the ancestors of many TCs were actually Greeks and Latins who converted to Islam and were gradually Turkfied during Ottoman rule. And that is something that happened relatively recently. Still, since you choose to call yourselves Turkish Cypriots I respect that, and I am not going to tell you what you should be. As far as rights go, ethnicity and ancestry are irrelevant. All Cypriot citizens have the same rights, even if you are Chinese who got the citizenship yesterday through naturalization.

[Viewpoint]

So your saying you have more right to Cyprus than the Anglo Saxons have to Britain? and that we have no rights at all?

No. What I am saying is that if you are going to question how Greek we are, then using the same arguments you can far more easily question how English the people who claim to be English are.

Personally I respect the identity of each person and I don't want to tell others what they are. I would not go to England and tell the local people that they are foreigners or tell them what their identity should be. There are Black people who claim to be English and even for them I wouldn't use your kind of arguments to tell them what they should be. People are free to have their own identities, and only arrogant racists would believe otherwise.

Edit: I mistook you for "supporttheunderdog". But what I said stands. It is a fact that the ancestors of many TCs were actually Greeks and Latins who converted to Islam and were gradually Turkfied during Ottoman rule. And that is something that happened relatively recently. Still, since you choose to call yourselves Turkish Cypriots I respect that, and I am not going to tell you what you should be. As far as rights go, ethnicity and ancestry are irrelevant. All Cypriot citizens have the same rights, even if you are Chinese who got the citizenship yesterday through naturalization.

Now lets get this right your saying that the amount of past history here on the island had no impact on our rights neither has more than the other, yet you deny me my right to my own country and recognition because you wanted to gift the island to another country?

[Piratis]

So your saying you have more right to Cyprus than the Anglo Saxons have to Britain? and that we have no rights at all?

No. What I am saying is that if you are going to question how Greek we are, then using the same arguments you can far more easily question how English the people who claim to be English are.

Personally I respect the identity of each person and I don't want to tell others what they are. I would not go to England and tell the local people that they are foreigners or tell them what their identity should be. There are Black people who claim to be English and even for them I wouldn't use your kind of arguments to tell them what they should be. People are free to have their own identities, and only arrogant racists would believe otherwise.

Edit: I mistook you for "supporttheunderdog". But what I said stands. It is a fact that the ancestors of many TCs were actually Greeks and Latins who converted to Islam and were gradually Turkfied during Ottoman rule. And that is something that happened relatively recently. Still, since you choose to call yourselves Turkish Cypriots I respect that, and I am not going to tell you what you should be. As far as rights go, ethnicity and ancestry are irrelevant. All Cypriot citizens have the same rights, even if you are Chinese who got the citizenship yesterday through naturalization.

Now lets get this right your saying that the amount of past history here on the island had no impact on our rights neither has more than the other, yet you deny me my right to my own country and recognition because you wanted to gift the island to another country?

What I support is that the Cypriot people should decide via democratic means (one citizen one vote) what to do with their own island. As long as the human rights of all Cypriot citizens are respected, we should all accept the democratic choices regardless if we personally agree with them or not. There is no problem at all if people of Cyprus democratically choose to unite their own island with Greece, EU or China. You can disagree with the choice of the majority, but it is definitely not your right to have your own minority views imposed.

[Viewpoint]

So if the majority choose to castrate every second born male child you would go along with it? what would you do if your wife gave birth to your second son?

Union with Greece would have been an infringement of my human rights to live in a country called Cyprus and not an island of Greece. For us it was a death warrant you of course will not accept this as you are Greek and are not in the line of fire, it would be you choosing to have our heads put on the block on our behalf.

[Piratis]

So if the majority choose to castrate every second born male child you would go along with it?

I think I was very clear: "As long as the human rights of all Cypriot citizens are respected, we should all accept the democratic choices regardless if we personally agree with them or not. "

Union with Greece would have been an infringement of my human rights to live in a country called Cyprus and not an island of Greece. For us it was a death warrant you of course will not accept this as you are Greek and are not in the line of fire, it would be you choosing to have our heads put on the block on our behalf.

Which of your human rights would be violated if Cyprus became part of the Greek state? For decades Cypriots have been subjects of the British, and for centuries subjects of the Ottomans and you never seemed to mind. How would be an equal citizen of Greece be a violation of your human rights and any worst than what we had for centuries?

There is a Muslim / Turkish minority in Greece which is alive and well, so your "death warrant" excuse does not stand.

[Viewpoint]

So if the majority choose to castrate every second born male child you would go along with it?

I think I was very clear: "As long as the human rights of all Cypriot citizens are respected, we should all accept the democratic choices regardless if we personally agree with them or not. "

Union with Greece would have been an infringement of my human rights to live in a country called Cyprus and not an island of Greece. For us it was a death warrant you of course will not accept this as you are Greek and are not in the line of fire, it would be you choosing to have our heads put on the block on our behalf.

Which of your human rights would be violated if Cyprus became part of the Greek state? For decades Cypriots have been subjects of the British, and for centuries subjects of the Ottomans and you never seemed to mind. How would be an equal citizen of Greece be a violation of your human rights and any worst than what we had for centuries?

There is a Muslim / Turkish minority in Greece which is alive and well, so your "death warrant" excuse does not stand.

Our human rights would be violated as we do not want to be part of Greece, anyone who does can go live there why violate our right to stay as what we signed up for Cyprus...people like you will never understand that it was exactly the mentality you continue to display that divided and will continue to keep this island divided.....as for death warrant ask the Turkish minority that live in Greece whether they are happy or not, you will be very surprised how suppressed they are.

[boulio]

the Muslim minority VP in thrace is very alive and well.the two main complaints VP are that they cannaot call the minority turkish(which in reality is only 50% turkish)and that they cannot directly elect their muftis which direct election is not done in any country including turkey.it is done from a the state.in the past their were complaints but many have been overcome within the greek courts and the EHRC as well.

hows the greek community in Turkey VP care to comment?

[Viewpoint]

the Muslim minority VP in thrace is very alive and well.the two main complaints VP are that they cannaot call the minority turkish(which in reality is only 50% turkish)and that they cannot directly elect their muftis which direct election is not done in any country including turkey.it is done from a the state.in the past their were complaints but many have been overcome within the greek courts and the EHRC as well.

hows the greek community in Turkey VP care to comment?

Have you spoken or listened to these people in Thrace? as for the Greeks in Turkey I dont know any so commenting is difficult but I would determine form what I read that Greeks are much more content in Turkey than "muslims" in Greece.

[boulio]

are koumbari are from xanthi as well as my wifes cousin and we have gone many times VP Its a very normal sitution VP,THE pomaks make up a greater group in the xanthi prefacture and they complain more about the turks and the turkish consulate in komotini than the greek state

you dont know any because the vast majority with the pogroms of 1950 1960 and the "wealth tax"have been forces to leave.thats why.

from 120,000 to 2,500 in 90 years

muslim minority in greece

from 86,000 to 120,000 in 90 years

[Viewpoint]

Look the Greek enosis thing for us a definite death warrant, we dont want it and will never accept it and fight against every time, as we are the ones at risk we have the say not you who are Greeks, its like me trying to force you to be part of Turkey...so stop with the shit that everything would have been fantastic we dont want it end of story.