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[Get Real!]

Kimon, I’m sorry but I’m not interested in participating in your bizarre ethnic confusions whereby someone is born and raised in one country but allegedly “belongs” to some other country because someone says so!

And what are those who were born in Rodos?

Citizens of a Greek island. (Rhodes)

Evidently, your ignorance does not allow you to distinguish between Greece as a geographical place and Greece as culture, history, tradition, common language, common descent etc.

Geographical Greece is based on fact in accordance with international law but all the others you mention are based on mythology, political manipulations, expansionism, misconstructions, misinterpretations, and all sorts of other abuses!

Cyprus has already paid and is still paying, a heavy price for this yet some people are still blind to her suffering!

What gives?

This level of destructive fanaticism against one’s country can only happen when an outside power takes over entire generations of a country’s children and systematically moulds them into whatever it wants!

I remind you of the characteristics of genocide…

“Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups”

[kimon07]

The Ecumenical Patriarch is know as the first amongst equals. The reason why the Church of Rome was excommunicated is because the bishop of Rome thought that he had a God-given right to rule over all the autocephalous churches.

1. The Ecumenical Patriarch is first amongst equal OTHER Patriarchs. Archbishops are in no way equal to Patriarchs.

2. The Church of Crete is semi autonomus, meanind the the Ecumenical Patriarchate appoints the Archbishop but all interfearance stops there.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF% ... E%B7%CF%82

3. The Church of Cyprus and the Church of Greece have exactly the same autocephalus status towards the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop ... All_Cyprus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocephaly

And by this opportunity, here is a statement of the Archbishop of Cyprus Mr. Chrysostomos:


Complaints of Archbishop Chrysostomos.

Archbishop Chrysostomos complained that "for the first time since the founding of the Republic of Cyprus, it being attempted for the Education to be cut off from Hellenism and its Hellenic roots”.

In his circular, Chrysostomos an attempt is being made for the creation of Cypriot national consciousness (identity) and for the Cypriot idiom to be presented as being the Cypriot language.

He further calls upon the minister of Education to remain the guardian of the Hellenic culture as the Constitution stipulates.

Comment: What a Greek wannabe eh?

http://thriskeftika.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... _3094.html

And the answer of the minister of Education: (another Greek wannabe?).

http://www.zougla.gr/page.ashx?pid=2&aid=465987


The whole circular of the Archbishop:

http://paideia-news.com/images/stories/ ... maton_.pdf

[kimon07]

Cyprus has already paid and is still paying, a heavy price for this yet some people are still blind to her suffering!

What gives?

This level of destructive fanaticism against one’s country can only happen when an outside power takes over entire generations of a country’s children and systematically moulds them into whatever it wants!

I remind you of the characteristics of genocide…

I was told by friends that the English School was producing (and probably still does) Greek hating Janissaries. You and the likes of you are the living proof of it.

And you also confirm what I suggested under another thread (and for which you tried to mock me) that the British, for their own reasons, had done all they could to create animocity, mistrust and hatred of the Greek Cypriots against Greece and Hellenism for their own reasons.

See on this also the recent circular of the Archbishop of Cyprus

Complaints of Archbishop Chrysostomos.

Archbishop Chrysostomos complained that "for the first time since the founding of the Republic of Cyprus, it is being attempted for the Education [url]to be cut off from Hellenism and its Hellenic roots.[/url]

In his circular, Chrysostomos says that an attempt is being made for the creation of Cypriot national consciousness (something which the British hasd attempted unsuccessfully) and for the Cypriot idiom to be presented as being the Cypriot language

http://thriskeftika.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... _3094.html

http://paideia-news.com/images/stories/ ... maton_.pdf

[Get Real!]

I was told by friends that the English School was producing (and probably still does) Greek hating Janissaries. You and the likes of you are the living proof of it.

Err, I’m NOT a graduate of the English School so there goes your flimsy argument!

Give it up Kimon… you haven’t got a leg to stand on!

[Me Ed]

The Ecumenical Patriarch is know as the first amongst equals. The reason why the Church of Rome was excommunicated is because the bishop of Rome thought that he had a God-given right to rule over all the autocephalous churches.

1. The Ecumenical Patriarch is first amongst equal OTHER Patriarchs. Archbishops are in no way equal to Patriarchs.

2. The Church of Crete is semi autonomus, meanind the the Ecumenical Patriarchate appoints the Archbishop but all interfearance stops there.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF% ... E%B7%CF%82

3. The Church of Cyprus and the Church of Greece have exactly the same autocephalus status towards the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop ... All_Cyprus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocephaly

I can't believe that you have simply resorted to making things up (like claming the Church of Crete is Autocephalous!)- do you actually take care to read the links you post?

All that proves is that Crete's enosis with Greece isn't exacly 100% complete as they have a separate church.

On point 2, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_amon ... dox_Church

Oh, and the Church of Cyprus is more senior than the Church of Greece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Or ... ganization

[kimon07]

The Ecumenical Patriarch is know as the first amongst equals. The reason why the Church of Rome was excommunicated is because the bishop of Rome thought that he had a God-given right to rule over all the autocephalous churches.

1I can't believe that you have simply resorted to making things up (like claming the Church of Crete is Autocephalous!)- do you actually take care to read the links you post?

All that proves is that Crete's enosis with Greece isn't exacly 100% complete as they have a separate church.

Firstly. Concerning the Church of Crete I did mention in my previous post that you might be right and that I would come back on the subject. On which you was also wrong saying that it was only self governed. The interferance of the Patriarchate is limited to the appointement of the Archbishop of Crete and that's that whom he HAS to select from the list of Bishops of the Church of Crete which the Church of Crete submits to him.

You can not believe what you are saying about the enosis of Crete based on the fact that the Church of Crete is not under the Church of Greece.

Formally, the Churches of ALL the so called "New Countries", i.e., the territories annexed to Greece after the Balkan wars of 1912-1913, are also separate from the Church of Greece. Does this mean that the union of these territories with Greece "isn't exactly 100% complete" either? So your new theory is that the sovereignty of Greece on its territories depends on whether the churches of said territories are under the Church of Greece or not? Unbelievable.

But, anyway, what is the relevance of the autocephalous of the GREEK Orthodox Church of Cyprus in respect to the subject of this thread? How can the status of our Church help determine whether the Greek Cypriots are Grek or not? Well, since you involve the Church in this, why don't you read the recent opinion/complain of the Archbishop which I posted above?

Or maybe you should read some staff about Archbishop Kyprianos?

“Hellenism is a race as old as the world,
no one has yet been found to eliminate it,
no one cause my God protects it from above.
Hellenism will perish when the world ends”

The Greek text:
«Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν φυλή συνότζιαιρη του κόσμου,
κανένας δεν εβρέθηκεν για να την ι-ξηλείψη,
κανένας, γιατί σιέπει την που τα 'ψη ο Θεός μου.
Η Ρωμιοσύνη εν να χαθή, όντας ο κόσμος λείψει!»

And if the Creakiness of Greek Cypriots is a myth manufactured by recent Greek propaganda, how come Greek Cypriots participated massively as volunteers to all Greek wars including the war of independence in 1821? Who had managed to brain wash them then? Gymnasium during the Ottoman era? Some junta?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_ ... nce#Cyprus

and

http://www.army.gr/flash%20sites/eldyk/kyprosa.html

and

http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/istoria/1260241

and

http://apo-kalipsi.blogspot.com/2012/01 ... ar-of.html

[bill cobbett]

Err .... someone ought to tell the Church of CY to include this word "Greek" in its title cos OMG!!!! >>> it doesn't !!!!! ...

http://www.churchofcyprus.org.cy/index.php

[CBBB]

Cypriots are demonstrating their "Greekness" by donating food and clothing to be sent to the poor Greeks to help them out during the current economic crisis.

Can we look forward to their reciprocation when we need it? Doubt it!

[denizaksulu]

İ enjoyed this thread. İnformative and funny. This poll is null and void! Those Greek Cypriots should not have partaken in this poll. ....İ will never understand how GR fell into this trap. See you soon.

How are you older BillC?

İ should visit here more often.

[bill cobbett]

İ enjoyed this thread. İnformative and funny. This poll is null and void! Those Greek Cypriots should not have partaken in this poll. ....İ will never understand how GR fell into this trap. See you soon.

How are you older BillC?

İ should visit here more often.

Older BillC!!!! HDY!!!! ... what was this dodgy poll about anyway?