Birkibrisli
Viewpoint is right when he says the key to reuniting Cyprus is building trust between the two communities.
Thank you
But I feel we'll have a better chance of achieving such a homeland if we have more people thinking like Cypezokyli.
I agree totally and its refreshing to read his comments which he expresses knowing that he will get bombarded with comments like your are to young and what do you know, come and become president and give TCs what they want etc etc.
I feel real happy that there are some young GC brains that have not been effected like GC youths we witnessed during the referendum in the south, maybe the fact thet he lives abroad has something to do with it. I applaud his family for raising him without hatred towards TCs and Turks, well done.
Kifeas
I do not argue that trust is not an issue, it is and a very important one.
you are unbelievable, let me remind you what you said to me in earlier post;
Because they cannot base on any sound logic all the things they are asking, they invent all kinds of pre-texts such as that they do not trust us because we did this and that 40 years ago, they do not want to become a minority, they do not want to be dominated by the GCs, etc, etc. The real issue behind all this is that because they got used to the idea for so many years that the occupied north is rightfully theirs forever and that whatever happened to the GCs in 1974, it happened to them because they deserved it, they do not want now to loose any of these acquisitions that Turkey illegally “succeeded” for them but rather they care only to find ways to solidify and legitimize their “acquisitions.” Of course they cannot go to the outside world and tell them all these things because they know already they will be ruled out not to be acceptable claims, therefore they invent all the other pre-texts built around the issue of trust, hoping that this by itself will increase their chances. This is why they keep talking about the past so much and so often, in many cases with the most exaggerated tone and passion, so that the GC side is victimized and qualified, both in the eyes of the international community but also morally with ourselves
but today you say;
What I do not like though is to see the issue of trust being so savagely abused, just in order to justify unacceptable acquisitive claims. Trust is a very delegate but also a very subjective issue. One cannot for example assume the right to violate other people’s human rights simply because s/he says or even genuinely feels that s/he cannot trust the other. One cannot trust because of valid personal reasons but can also pretend that he doesn’t trust, either because he doesn’t want to trust or because of other purely subjective reasons. I cannot for example accept from an educated and intelligent person such as viewpoint to argue on the issue of trust like a child that all of suddenly was left away from its mother and in the middle of totally unknown crowed of people and thus was conquered by fear and mistrust of all those around it.
Could you kindly try to clarify the above your arguements appear to be very imbalanced and they dart from accusations to wanting to legalize what you say we stole to hiding behind the issue of trust to being a lost child yet I will repeat your own words "I do not argue that trust is not an issue, it is and a very important one. "
I believe that the GC side has taken some steps towards this building of trust,
Could you kindly list these so that we all know.
Consequently, it makes me wonder whether the leadership of the TC community genuinely wants the TC community to develop trust towards the GC community or they prefer instead that the mistrust continues, for their own reasons.
Actions speak louder than words,
65% Yes Vote
Opening of boarders
GC school in the north
Relaxation of paper work at boarder
No limit to stay in the north
10.000 free movement of workers(cheap labour for south)
Constant call for restart of talks and meeting on a personal level
Offer of Maras/Varosha
Opening of new crossing GC have yet to open their side.
Prayers to Ayas Mammas
these spring to mind...
cypezokyli
vp said that there cant be any land given back unless there is a comprehensive solution.
I have always argued this and I am all for giving back as much of the boarders as possible to allow as many refugees to return under the own constituent state because they probably dont want to be under TC administration. The rest shoud be given the rights to theirproperty where it is physically possible where it is not they shoudl get real immediate compensation. But as for Maras/Varosha this can be returned to former owners and development projects shoudl be given to joint TC GC companies to encourage working together an trust.
Birkibrisli
I don't know if Viewpoint will agree with me but imo by giving the settlers the vote in the North the will of the TCs is essentially broken.
I dont agree totally because we are currently not a minority but in time and if no solution is found we will be and the GCs will have to negotiate with Turks rather than TCs and if a solution should arrive then they will share the island with Turks.
North Cyprus can be a very intimidating place for someone with ideas like mine.Lets not forget that a lot of Tcs who are still living in Cyprus now are migrants from the South who did very well financially out of the troubles.They have no wish to unite the island.Other Tcs are plainly too intimidated by the Turkish Army who are the real rulers of the North (again i wonder if Viewpoint will agree with me on that point) to speak their minds.So until real power comes to the hands of Talat and Co there is little that can be done to improve trust between Cypriots.
Thats why I suggested to Kifeas,
So in other words we should not meet, not work together and not address each others concerns and agree on what will will take to the UN. If our two leaders were to show a form of cooperation then surely the UN would take this as a narrowing of the gap but ho according to Kifeas this is absoulutely not the case.
Lets wait for others to solve our problems, thats the Cypriot way, then we have someone to blame if we dont like it or it all goes wrong.
If you cannot understand the relation between economic dependence on Turkey and the decision making mechanism in the north, then you need to do more research if you do not help us to improve eceonomically it will take longer for us to stand on our own 2 feet. Do you get the message??
Kifeas responded,
About Economical dependence. You must be joking of course! You had the chance and the option to get 260 millions of Euros from the EU and you turned them down so that you do not allow the slightest possibility of escaping your selves from Turkey’s economic dependence and you now tell me that you want the GCs to help you in that direction?
Do you also want the GCs to help you build your own Army so that you do not need the presence of the Turkish one?
Viewpoint, please stop taking us for a ride and more!
Ill let everyone make their own decision as to how important it is for TCs to break away from mommy and the only way to do this is economically if GCs cant see this then they should really think hard as to how else it can be done???
Piratis
As I said already I have no problem with things that will help TCs but not "TRNC". Do you want to help "TRNC" as well?
Is anyone claiming recognition of TRNC right now, only today Talat said he is saddened by EU counter declaration but still has hope of unification and will work for it.
If you do not help us it will take longer to gain economic indepenence from mummy...do you at least understand what Im saying??
