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[yialousa1971]

Jim Stone – Jan 10, 2020
Final summary of the Iran shoot down of Ukranian jet

This report has changed a lot as new info has come in. The info is complete enough so it likely won’t change again. Here is what happened:

Two minutes after take off, the transponder, communications, and lights on the aircraft were shut off, obviously via remote. It flew in this hacked configuration for approximately 4 minutes and 30 seconds before, in error, Iranian ground forces mistook it for a cruise missile and shot it down, with Iran’s top nuclear physicists aboard. The plane was sent out during a no fly order to get the most important people (and their families) out of Iran before a war broke out, which Iran was expecting.

The only question in this story now is who interfered with communications between the airport, the military, and the pilots, who went dark for a considerable length of time before the missiles were launched. Approximately 1 minute after the first missile was launched, a second one was launched though the first one probably would have downed the plane despite it not being on fire. Eight minutes after take off, it crashed.

My guess is Israel is the one that hacked the plane and shut the transponder, lights and radios off to force it to fly completely dark, the way a cruise missile would. They are the only ones celebrating.

As corrupt as Ukraine is, Iran SHOULD NOT turn over the black boxes until they have at least copied what is on the cockpit voice recorder. If whatever is reported to have come off that voice recorder does not mimic what I just said above, the wrong people will have “analyzed it”, you know, like how accurately American votes get counted.

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[Robin Hood]

yialousa1971:

Jim Stone – Jan 10, 2020 Final summary of the Iran shoot down of Ukranian jet

This report has changed a lot as new info has come in. The info is complete enough so it likely won’t change again. Here is what happened:

Two minutes after take off, the transponder, communications, and lights on the aircraft were shut off, obviously via remote. It flew in this hacked configuration for approximately 4 minutes and 30 seconds before, in error, Iranian ground forces mistook it for a cruise missile and shot it down, with Iran’s top nuclear physicists aboard. The plane was sent out during a no fly order to get the most important people (and their families) out of Iran before a war broke out, which Iran was expecting.

The only question in this story now is who interfered with communications between the airport, the military, and the pilots, who went dark for a considerable length of time before the missiles were launched. Approximately 1 minute after the first missile was launched, a second one was launched though the first one probably would have downed the plane despite it not being on fire. Eight minutes after take off, it crashed.

My guess is Israel is the one that hacked the plane and shut the transponder, lights and radios off to force it to fly completely dark, the way a cruise missile would. They are the only ones celebrating.

As corrupt as Ukraine is, Iran SHOULD NOT turn over the black boxes until they have at least copied what is on the cockpit voice recorder. If whatever is reported to have come off that voice recorder does not mimic what I just said above, the wrong people will have “analyzed it”, you know, like how accurately American votes get counted.

I can't believe that story and searched for some back-up to the claims and didn't find any! He is trying to make it seem as if Iran was shipping out all its nuclear scientists but, if they were doing that it would most likely to have been a charter flight. This flight was a scheduled flight booked months before hand. A Canadian couple were both Physicists and there were quite a few physics students on the flight but ...... Iran nuclear scientists are not mentioned anywhere else.

As for the other claims. It could well be an Israeli False flag, they have done it before but until the investigation gets underway the claims are all speculation. Every event has a starting point and from there you create a time line of the sequence of events, that will tell you fairly accurately WHAT happened and further investigation will identify the probability as to HOW it happened. Then you can work out the next probability .....WHO was involved and then the apportioning of responsibility in an open Criminal Trial.

[Robin Hood]

Kikapu:

I stand by my above comments. There has been many engine fires, engine shutdowns, engine disintegrations, and one or two engines falling off during a flight. You are never going to get the whole aircraft in a complete fireball crashing to earth, especially when the aircraft had just taken of few minutes earlier and was barely at 10,000 ft. Something other than an engine on fire would have to have caused that fireball, like two surface to air missiles for example or on board bomb.

The reason I had a question over what you said, was not the idea that an engine failure/fire would be unlikely to bring an aircraft down. I referenced the Airbus 380 flight because of the INDICATIONS of what such a failure COULD cause that WOULD bring the aircraft down.

All the avionics failed in the 380 incident and modern aeroplanes rely 100% on electronics. An engine blowing up would/could be like raking the aircraft with a machine gun ..... and it’s pot luck what the debris will impact. A lot of the avionics is under the floor toward the front of the aircraft ...... so the engine failure would not bring it down but the resulting damage could.

Remember Concorde in Paris? One relatively small piece of metal on the runway destroyed the whole aircraft because it set of an unpredictable chain of events.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu:

I stand by my above comments. There has been many engine fires, engine shutdowns, engine disintegrations, and one or two engines falling off during a flight. You are never going to get the whole aircraft in a complete fireball crashing to earth, especially when the aircraft had just taken of few minutes earlier and was barely at 10,000 ft. Something other than an engine on fire would have to have caused that fireball, like two surface to air missiles for example or on board bomb.

The reason I had a question over what you said, was not the idea that an engine failure/fire would be unlikely to bring an aircraft down. I referenced the Airbus 380 flight because of the INDICATIONS of what such a failure COULD cause that WOULD bring the aircraft down.

All the avionics failed in the 380 incident and modern aeroplanes rely 100% on electronics. An engine blowing up would/could be like raking the aircraft with a machine gun ..... and it’s pot luck what the debris will impact. A lot of the avionics is under the floor toward the front of the aircraft ...... so the engine failure would not bring it down but the resulting damage could.

Remember Concorde in Paris? One relatively small piece of metal on the runway destroyed the whole aircraft because it set of an unpredictable chain of events.

I am NOT saying a failed engine(s) does not bring an aircraft down, because it can and it has. My ONLY disagreement with you is, it will not bring an aircraft down in a complete fireball. I understand what happened to Qantas 380 as far as the avionics goes after the disintegration of the No. 2 engine and after landing, the No. 1 engine would not shut down for almost 2 hours from memory, even after being hosed down with water and foam for the entire time.

Concorde in Paris crash had ruptured fuel tank from blown tyre on takeoff, which then the fuel went into the No. 1&2 engines intake to create the huge fire trail. The pilot may have shut down the wrong engine from memory again. A disaster that should have never happened.

[Londonrake]

Hi LR,

Are you there yet?

Yes, we made it! My first look at Aus Perth. I have to say at first impressions it seems a fantastic place.

I don’t know what their normal Heathrow to Singapore flight path is but our SIng Airlines A380 didn’t go anywhere near Iran.

I got fed up with the WiFi and watched all 5 episodes of “Chernobyl”. A very good mini-series depicting the actual events. Amazing contrast, between many, who knowingly went to a terrible death in order to save thousands of their people and country, with those who only looked to apportion blame and basically cover their arses. I can highly recommend it.

Paphitis. Would you believe it, I left my phone on one of the SA flights. A Samsung Galaxy. It’s out there somewhere, wandering the skies. A bit like you.

[cyprusgrump]

Hi LR,

Are you there yet?

Yes, we made it! My first look at Aus Perth. I have to say at first impressions it seems a fantastic place.

I don’t know what their normal Heathrow to Singapore flight path is but our SIng Airlines A380 didn’t go anywhere near Iran.

I got fed up with the WiFi and watched all 5 episodes of “Chernobyl”. A very good mini-series depicting the actual events. Amazing contrast, between many, who knowingly went to a terrible death in order to save thousands of their people and country, with those who only looked to apportion blame and basically cover their arses. I can highly recommend it.

Paphitis. Would you believe it, I left my phone on one of the SA flights. A Samsung Galaxy. It’s out there somewhere, wandering the skies. A bit like you.

Welcome back!

Chernobyl is excellent TV - really enjoyed it.

[Robin Hood]

As this now has become an ‘open thread’ .......

Cyprusgrump:

You're mental!

No ..... perfectly sane ....... I am just a far smarter and a much better analyst than you are! Don’t mock others on subjects you clearly know absolutely nothing about ..... you will only end up looking foolish!

Have you never watched one of those programmes where they demolish buildings...?

You mean what is called ‘Controlled Demolition’? Yes! When watching WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 ........... did you notice a similarity to a building collapsing due to a controlled demolition as opposed to one collapsing due just to gravity and controlled only by Newton’s Laws of Motion?

It takes thousands of explosive charges and miles of detonation cord.

Does it? So you are a demolition expert as well?

Ever heard of a programmable controller, Thermate, dual highways, smart wireless fire systems etc.? Do you know how the 47 vertical columns of the centre core of the towers were welded to form single columns? Ever heard of Newtons Three Laws of Motion and do you know how to apply them? Ever heard of a progressive gravitational collapse or vortex shedding? Do you know what free fall acceleration means? Do you understand the principals of combustion? Do you know that it is the building itself that is the biggest contributing factor to structural collapse. I suspect the answer is NO! So I think you are about 18 years of learning behind me on the knowledge scale on this subject!

Even then, they sometimes have to remove big chunks of the building to guarantee success...

That is when dealing with a concrete structure ...... these three buildings were all steel framed ..... so no big chunks of concrete to remove! There was virtually no normal concrete in WTC1 or WTC2.

Yet you and your fellow loony conspiracy nutjobs want to believe that happened and nobody noticed right...?

We all noticed it but most of us didn’t know what we were actually looking at..... and that included me at that time, that was, until I found out about WTC7. As I said...... none of the three were brought down either by fire or structural damage or a combination of the two, it is a physical impossibility and defies all three of Newton’s Laws of Motion! But an explanation (conspiracy theory) that was completely untrue, satisfied most observers at the time but now only fools believe it and they are an ever dwindling minority.

So dozens of explosive experts entered the buildings for weeks at a time placing explosives, wiring them up and yet not one person, not one said, "Errrrr, excuse me, do you really think you should really be doing that?"

You are obviously not aware that between 1993 and 9/11/2001, all the WTC buildings had undergone extensive replacement of the fire alarm and sprinkler systems and also the communications and IT systems as well as the fire proofing. The work was still going on ‘til the day they came down.

But, it is far too big and complex a subject to even try to explain it to you!


You seem to think you are so very clever but can’t look at two very short videos, compare them and answer a simple question:

How do those TWO videos prove WTC1 did not collapse due to fire or structural failure, but neither video on its own will prove it?

I am surprised it is taking someone with your inimitable talents, so long to work it out?

I’ll give you a clue .......Read the title on this ....... then watch the video very carefully ..... @19 secs through to the final part of the visible collapse and ......... think about it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnw7V8RtEjI

[Londonrake]

So, your belief is that the US deliberately blew up the WTC in 2001?

[Robin Hood]

So, your belief is that the US deliberately blew up the WTC in 2001?

I did not say anything of the sort! That is where you always go wrong, you extrapolate anything to create something else without actually bothering with fact! But .... to respond to that I would say ....... are you absolutely sure the US (or certain factions within/without the US Govt.) were not? Do you honestly believe that a plan like this was all carried out by a handful of Muslims ..... and nobody noticed?

What I actually posed to counter Cyprusgrump's stupidity, is a scenario based on pure irrefutable evidence!

First step ....... WHAT happened? To work that out look at the proven evidence, and those two video's are just that that, raw evidence. They actually tell you something very obvious if you are smart enough to understand what you see. The answer is also irrefutable ....... it actually PROVES WTC1 was not brought down by either fire of structural damage. If it applies to WTC1 then the probability is that the same happened to WTC2 as, from other videos, the scenarios were practically identical. So somebody is telling lies!

Without having substantial reasons to prove this argument is the higher probability than the official explanation, it is pointless to try and apportion blame. The videos do that and although I DID work it out for myself, as the recent video shows, I am not alone, in fact it is quite well known among those that have followed events over the years.

The events of 9/11 have never actually been through an open investigation! The official Investigations by NIST and FEMA, were implemented with very limited and restrictive briefs. BOTH investigations were carried out by Govt. selected investigators, dictated and controlled by the US Administration and a huge amount of the 'evidence' that they used to reach their conclusions, has never been released. NIST has actually admitted that WTC7 came down at free-fall acceleration!

I have no proof of who was behind it, only those that were, know the whole truth. A free and public, impartial investigation of events is all those who support the truth movement have ever asked for. Not ONE of those 'Truth' sites has ever pointed the finger because, like me, they understand that unless you can show what happened ...... anything else is speculation.

[B25]

I believe this was an inside job as a pretxt to going to war with Iraq and getting budgets passed that they would not otherwise be possible to do.

I don't believe for a moment that a few camel shaggers out foxed ALL the security services of the US to pull this off and I agree totally with RH.

So, ok, let us just for arguments sake, that the planes did bring down WTC1 and 2, what brought down the third building and where is the explanation for this.

Anyone who believes otherwise is seriously delided and has swallowed the US propaganda BS.

The US are known for killing their own for money, it happened during the Vietnam war.