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[cyprusgrump]

In this instance it is an observation, not an opinion! But yes, my opinions are at odds with yourself obviously and a couple of others. I have found that those that have endless praise for the US/NATO and their allies ...... also vehemently hate Putin, Xi, Kim, Hezbollah, Assad, Castro etc and Palestinians . ...... but usually chose to criticise others rather than present or justify their own views. In my opinion, because they do not have their own views, they tend to parrot MSM and toe the official line. You have your views I have mine ..... but I can explain why I have them! Can you explain your views by justification of those views rather than by criticism of the views of others you happen to disagree with?

Priceless!

But true! Where is a counter argument? As I said .... you have no view just a putdown on the view of someone you disagree with.

I don't need a counter-argument, this is your opinion...

How anyone could look at that video, listen to him and watch his body language in what was so very obviously a well staged theatrical performance ...... and not see what I saw, baffles me.

...and then you double-down when I point out that millions disagree with you by sheepishly admitting that it might be...

But yes, my opinions are at odds with yourself obviously and a couple of others.

Priceless!

[cyprusgrump]

You have proved your stupidity countless times, you are totally delusional with a lot of growing up to do. Not least stop imagining that you are a fucking pilot ! as well as a millionaire !!

My profession and my net worth is none of your concern.

I am clearly no sheep. I have a brain and can think for myself. You can't. You are always looking for vindication from your mates. It's really quite a shame when an old man like yourself is so blind to some critical thought and logical thinking.

All you do is speak nonsense and throw about vulgar insults like a spoilt kid.

Insults are all CoCo has, you should know that by now...

As LR said, at least BorDo had some humility...

[miltiades]

Bucketman. You may have noticed, somehow I doubt it, that unlike you and the General, I have NEVER used foul language !!
I merely ask the stupid ones to fuck off.

[Londonrake]

I doubt you got as far as this:
"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations............

then you to (sic) express an opinion to relate Iran Air 655 ..... to Pan Am 103 as Iranian retribution ...... and that as an obvious suggestion that being a likely reason for the destruction of the Ukraine airliner in Tehran!. Are you suggesting that the Iranians shot down or otherwise destroyed, a Ukraine commercial airliner full of its own Nationals as well as foreigners, as an act of revenge?

Oh dear. Plot loss warning.

I didn't suggest anything and certainly nothing to do with the Ukraine aircraft which went down in Iran. Freudian moment? Although, I do note from the news today that the Iranian regime are refusing to give up the black boxes for analysis by the FAA and associated bodies. I suspect, given it was their aircraft, the Ukranians would be entitled to take possession.

Anyway, I merely posted a straight quote from MoonofAlabama (The Revenge For The Assassination Of Qassem Soleimani). That was his view on the matter. If you have a problem with what he's saying perhaps you should take it up with him? Although, I've got the distinct impression from your earlier adulation that everything he says is written on tablets of stone.

The Iranian retribution:

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it."

Pan Am 103: Feasible ...... but improbable for various reasons that I won’t bother to detail. That suggestion is nothing more than a conspiracy theory!

Another straight quote. So, MoonofAlabama (good ole Bernard) is a conspiracy theorist? I can see why you like him so much.

The UK had a trial, presented their evidence, witnesses etc. under UK Law, in a special Court convened in the Nederland’s (sic) ......... they blamed Libya and the Court put the prime suspect in jail!

I agree. However, MoA doesn't and given his omnipotence we surely have to reconsider? Do you think he was wrong? Surely not? Well, it's certainly not something you would ever admit. Much like when you're wrong.

I confess I did find it odd. Why would Gaddafi do such a thing? What did he hope to gain from something with such potentially devastating consequences? Opportune for Iran though. A US civil airline and all it's passengers blown out of the sky a few months after the USN did the same thing to an Iranian flight. Serendipitous coincidence? Allah?

If he's not wrong, spare a thought for poor old Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. The biggest fall guy of all time. Sacrificial lamb extraordinaire.

[Londonrake]

The Ayatollah is the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the same context The Pope is the Supreme Leader of the Roman Catholics. The democratically elected government in Iran, has an elected President and is in power for a limited period.

Total rubbish. What a joker you are.

Khamenei is the theocratic dictator and supreme ruler of Iran. He presides over a council which selects those who are permitted to take part in the farcical elections, dependent upon their fidelity. Only 4 of over 450 applicants were selected by the Guardian Council to compete in 2009's election. Millions of Iranians protested when a transparent stitch up (14 million ballots simply went missing) gave the puppet presidency to Ahmadinejad again, a hard liner who had Khamenei's approval.

The most powerful organisation in Iran is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) lately commanded by Major General Qasem Soleimani. It's influence is all pervasive throughout Iranian society. The IRGC operates independent of Iran's regular military forces and is directly accountable to the Supreme Leader and not the country's President. There are times when Rohani has absolutely no idea - let alone control - of what the IRGC are up to.

Khamenei is like the Pope. Best one I've read today.

[Londonrake]

How anyone could look at that video, listen to him and watch his body language in what was so very obviously a well staged theatrical performance ...... and not see what I saw, baffles me.

Precisely!

As others have pointed out on numerous occasions, you simply cannot accept that there are opinions that differ from your own!

Not strictly true. He understands that there are differences of opinion, he just knows they're all wrong. Something he's never been guilty of.

Seriously though. A bit of advice from an old timer. You need to sit down - cross legged in front of the pulpit - shut up, listen hard and try to understand what he's telling you.

Sorry - been catching up.

[Londonrake]

I have lived there ..... you have not!

Ohh, how many times have I heard that? Yet, when others have related events from their experience, sometimes a life's career, you've scoffed and thrown contempt, or insisted that your "research" trumps all. However, when it comes to your experiences, well, that's an entirely different matter isn't it? What's that word?

Really though, how long ago was it that you were in Iran (as a closeted foreign worker) 30 years?

Want to relate that story again about how one of your Iranian work colleagues invited you home for a meal and ended up being confronted by a couple of State thugs who berated him for fraternising with foreigners? Yes, I can see that happening in Primrose Hill. Lovely country.

So, what happened to the Brave New World forum? Fallen out with everybody? I really thought we had it hacked after 4 months and had started to develop a civilised relationship. Apparently not though. The lure of the subject. A great pity.

[Paphitis]

I doubt you got as far as this:
"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations............

then you to (sic) express an opinion to relate Iran Air 655 ..... to Pan Am 103 as Iranian retribution ...... and that as an obvious suggestion that being a likely reason for the destruction of the Ukraine airliner in Tehran!. Are you suggesting that the Iranians shot down or otherwise destroyed, a Ukraine commercial airliner full of its own Nationals as well as foreigners, as an act of revenge?

Oh dear. Plot loss warning.

I didn't suggest anything and certainly nothing to do with the Ukraine aircraft which went down in Iran. Freudian moment? Although, I do note from the news today that the Iranian regime are refusing to give up the black boxes for analysis by the FAA and associated bodies. I suspect, given it was their aircraft, the Ukranians would be entitled to take possession.

Anyway, I merely posted a straight quote from MoonofAlabama (The Revenge For The Assassination Of Qassem Soleimani). That was his view on the matter. If you have a problem with what he's saying perhaps you should take it up with him? Although, I've got the distinct impression from your earlier adulation that everything he says is written on tablets of stone.

The Iranian retribution:

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it."

Pan Am 103: Feasible ...... but improbable for various reasons that I won’t bother to detail. That suggestion is nothing more than a conspiracy theory!

Another straight quote. So, MoonofAlabama (good ole Bernard) is a conspiracy theorist? I can see why you like him so much.

The UK had a trial, presented their evidence, witnesses etc. under UK Law, in a special Court convened in the Nederland’s (sic) ......... they blamed Libya and the Court put the prime suspect in jail!

I agree. However, MoA doesn't and given his omnipotence we surely have to reconsider? Do you think he was wrong? Surely not? Well, it's certainly not something you would ever admit. Much like when you're wrong.

I confess I did find it odd. Why would Gaddafi do such a thing? What did he hope to gain from something with such potentially devastating consequences? Opportune for Iran though. A US civil airline and all it's passengers blown out of the sky a few months after the USN did the same thing to an Iranian flight. Serendipitous coincidence? Allah?

If he's not wrong, spare a thought for poor old Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. The biggest fall guy of all time. Sacrificial lamb extraordinaire.

The US has claimed they had intel about the impending attacks on the Iraqi Air Bases and they evacuated the bases of all their personnel, resulting in ZERO casualties of US personnel.

But an aircraft was shot down full of Iranian Citizens resulting in all losing their lives. US also claiming that it was the Iranians that shot it down by mistake.

So the net result of the Iranian Missile attack was Iranian loss of life.

The fact they refuse to hand over the black box is highly suspicious. The US has international rights to the black box because they manufactured the B737. Boeing is suppose to have access and be part of the investigation by ICAO Treaty, and the Iranians are refusing access to Boeing and the FAA.

[Kikapu]

That 737 was coming down to earth in a fireball like a meteor. No amount of engine fire would have done that. If the pilots never declared an emergency, how the fuck the Iranians declared it was a “technical” problem. Then the Iranians few hours after the crash declared that the black boxes were found but damaged, which some information was corrupted. Say what?

It is obvious the plane had been shot down.

I was wondering why there were so many Canadians, Germans and British that were on that doomed flight from Tehran. It appears that most were Iranian nationals with duel citizenship, which makes most killed as Iranians.

[Paphitis]

That 737 was coming down to earth in a fireball like a meteor. No amount of engine fire would have done that. If the pilots never declared an emergency, how the fuck the Iranians declared it was a “technical” problem. Then the Iranians few hours after the crash declared that the black boxes were found but damaged, which some information was corrupted. Say what?

It is obvious the plane had been shot down.

I was wondering why there were so many Canadians, Germans and British that were on that doomed flight from Tehran. It appears that most were Iranian nationals with duel citizenship, which makes most killed as Iranians.

No way the Black Box was destroyed. They are virtually indestructible.