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[Londonrake]

The message seems clear. Israel will not tolerate Iran "digging in" in Syria and building self-sustaining military bases within striking distance.

Given the massive armament of Hezbollah by the peace loving Islamic Republic, in essence forming a second armed-to-the-teeth front.

It seems to me Israel would be willing to go to all-out war in order to prevent that situation and frankly, I understand why.

Iran, after all, has for years issued numerous threats from the very highest Government and Military levels to bring about the destruction of the State of Israel. A matter of verifiable record. Even if you - apparently - can't be arsed to read them.

[Paphitis]

Yep, the message has been sent.

If Iran establishes any foothold in Syria, then Syria is going to get pounded.

If you poke the Israeli Bear, you are going to get done. And it was Iran that provoked by firing rockets into the Golan Heights. Israel's response is, that any action against The Israeli State by any enemy will be answered 7 fold.

I don't want to hear that it is Israel that has done this or done that anymore. the fact is, Iran has been threatening Israel and had fired Rockets on Israeli territory. Israel has done everything to send Iran and Syria a very blunt warning. The ball is in their court now.

[Robin Hood]

The message seems clear. Israel will not tolerate Iran "digging in" in Syria and building self-sustaining military bases within striking distance.

Have you ever seen the self sustaining US military bases that are 'dug-in' along both the Russian and Chinese borders? All within striking distance and not with just rockets but hundreds of nuclear weapons and the means to launch them? How would you feel if Russia and China decided this was a threat they would no longer tolerate and wiped THEM out in a pre-emptive strike in self defence?

Given the massive armament of Hezbollah by the peace loving Islamic Republic, in essence forming a second armed-to-the-teeth front.

Does the US/NATO not supply terrorists in Syria with weapons and provide them with air support to bring down the elected government? Remember Hezbollah came into being with the help and continuing support of Iran simply to counter Israeli aggression in Lebanon! Is the NATO presence in the Baltic States and Eastern European countries, in fact Europe in general, not an 'armed to the teeth front'. Once again you demonstrate a dual standard!

It seems to me Israel would be willing to go to all-out war in order to prevent that situation and frankly, I understand why.

You have it wrong! The Zionist Government would, the Jewish people would oppose it, but being cowards Netanyahu will only move if they have the US and NATO countries support. Take away that protection and let Israel attack Iran on a level playing field and the Israeli's would lose, just like they have in Lebanon when faced with determined resistance and determined resistance is what they will face in a conflict with Iran.

Iran, after all, has for years issued numerous threats from the very highest Government and Military levels to bring about the destruction of the State of Israel. A matter of verifiable record. Even if you - apparently - can't be arsed to read them.

It is not verifiable record that the Khomeini/Amadinajadh '... wipe Israel off the map' was anything other than a poor translation, corrected in a few days and then became a myth that Netanyahu and the Zionists have perpetuated for useful idiots to swallow. Google it .... if you can be assed to read them. Word's hurt nobody ...... Israel is not only words but actual attacks. Iran has attacked no other country for over 300 years and has neither nuclear, chemical or biological weapons ..... the same cannot be said for Israel. Iran is in Syria legally to assist Syria fight against terrorist's YOU are arming and supporting.

[Robin Hood]

How just changing the time line or leaving out inconvenient facts out of events can make the aggressor look like the victim and the victim the aggressor! A technique quite common when events are reported where Israel is involved in violence ..... where Israel is always the victim. ...... or even on forums like this! When the distortion and lies come out later the MSM ignores it completely and the original lie/myth is thus perpetuated for all time.

Israel Distorts Timeline of Events to Play Victim in Dangerous Escalation With Iran And Syria - By Mondoweiss

Distorting the timeline of events is a long time Israeli strategy to make its enemies look like the aggressors and pass itself off as the victim. Israel’s massive aerial attacks earlier today on Iranians and Syrians — its most extensive cross-border strikes in decades — are carrying out this propaganda strategy to perfection, and even normally skeptical news outlets are being fooled.

Here’s the actual order of events:

* Just one hour after Donald Trump violated the Iran nuclear deal on May 8,Israel launched missiles against targets south of Damascus, Syria, reportedly killing 15 people, at least 8 of them Iranians.

* In response, Iran early this morning apparently struck back with 20 rockets aimed at the Golan Heights, (which is occupied by Israel since 1967 but is still legally part of Syria).

* Hours later, Israeli warplanes attacked dozens of allegedly Iranian targets in Syria.

The mainstream Western media is falling into Israel’s propaganda trap. Most reports are treating the Iranian rockets as the original provocation, and framing Israel’s massive air strikes as the (understandable) response. Unusually, the New York Times coverage was actually moderately less biased than other outlets, such as the Washington Post and the BBC. The Times at least noted — down in paragraph 12 — that Israel had first attacked Syria right after Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Iran deal.
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Larry Derfner, the American-turned-Israeli who is one of that country’s most experienced reporters, is hammering away at the truth on his Facebook page:

"I’ve been arguing all day against Israel’s policy of continually bombing Syria, Lebanon and Iran, pointing out that they’re not bombing us, we’re bombing them, which means we’re not acting in self defense, we’re the aggressors. . . For [people with the opposing opinion] it doesn’t matter how many times Israel bombs the enemy and the enemy doesn’t bomb back — Israel is still bombing in self-defense and the other side is still the aggressor. Why?

Because Israel is Israel and Iran/Syria/Lebanon is Iran/Syria/Lebanon. Israel is right because it is good and they are wrong because they are bad........

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49400.htm

There is a good discussion on events in Syria/Israel/Iran being aired at the moment on 'CROSSTALK' ..... on RT of course!

[Londonrake]

The message seems clear. Israel will not tolerate Iran "digging in" in Syria and building self-sustaining military bases within striking distance.

Have you ever seen the self sustaining US military bases that are 'dug-in' along both the Russian and Chinese borders? All within striking distance and not with just rockets but hundreds of nuclear weapons and the means to launch them? How would you feel if Russia and China decided this was a threat they would no longer tolerate and wiped THEM out in a pre-emptive strike in self defence?

This thread is about the potential confrontation between Israel and Iran in Syria. Yes? Or, should we widen it to encompass the US, Russia, China, the problems on the India/Chinese border, the problems in the South China sea. Trouble on the Azerbaijan border.

Given the massive armament of Hezbollah by the peace loving Islamic Republic, in essence forming a second armed-to-the-teeth front.

Does the US/NATO not supply terrorists in Syria with weapons and provide them with air support to bring down the elected government? Remember Hezbollah came into being with the help and continuing support of Iran simply to counter Israeli aggression in Lebanon! Is the NATO presence in the Baltic States and Eastern European countries, in fact Europe in general, not an 'armed to the teeth front'. Once again you demonstrate a dual standard!

This thread is about the potential confrontation between Israel and Iran in Syria. Yes?

It seems to me Israel would be willing to go to all-out war in order to prevent that situation and frankly, I understand why.

You have it wrong! The Zionist Government would, the Jewish people would oppose it, but being cowards Netanyahu will only move if they have the US and NATO countries support. Take away that protection and let Israel attack Iran on a level playing field and the Israeli's would lose, just like they have in Lebanon when faced with determined resistance and determined resistance is what they will face in a conflict with Iran.

Do you have any proof of that? Other than the usual left wing, mutually feeding, anti west nutters on "independent" sites. Also, please clarify "Zionist"? If you intend killing Israeli jews, how will you identify the "Zionists"? Which of them get driven into the sea?

Iran, after all, has for years issued numerous threats from the very highest Government and Military levels to bring about the destruction of the State of Israel. A matter of verifiable record. Even if you - apparently - can't be arsed to read them.

It is not verifiable record that the Khomeini/Amadinajadh '... wipe Israel off the map' was anything other than a poor translation, corrected in a few days and then became a myth that Netanyahu and the Zionists have perpetuated for useful idiots to swallow. Google it .... if you can be assed to read them. Word's hurt nobody ...... Israel is not only words but actual attacks. Iran has attacked no other country for over 300 years and has neither nuclear, chemical or biological weapons ..... the same cannot be said for Israel. Iran is in Syria legally to assist Syria fight against terrorist's YOU are arming and supporting.

None of my previous references of high level Iranian officials talking about the destruction of the State of Israel were Ahmadinejad's. Although, I do have a picture of him appearing on a platform with three banners. Those in Arabic and Farsi say "Death to Israel" (just like the missiles paraded through the streets of Tehran). The third in English says "Down with Israel". Putin would be proud.

Obviously, reading all this stuff is tiresome. So, let's do them one at a time.

1. 21 April 2018: The head of the Iranian army on Saturday said Iranian forces were working to “annihilate” Israel and predicted they would achieve success within 25 years.

Iran has used it's recent oil revenues to fund the arming of Hezbollah and Hamas, it's proxy war in Yemen and it's war in Syria (where it has primarily been engaged in putting down a Sunni uprising). How much of that sort of thing can go on whilst you still parrot that they haven't invaded anybody since the stone age?

Hezbollah's presence in Lebanon is such that nowadays it is indistinguishable from the government and army. In Iraq it holds a commanding level of authority over many shiite militias which are in opposition to the government there. It has also meddled in Bahrain and Saudi. Which is why we have the unprecedented situation of the Gulf States being effectively in a partnership with Israel.

BTW. I am still looking but have yet to find any evidence of your accusation that Israel has "Continuously threatened Iran with its nuclear weapons". Have you had better luck? Or, if not would you be kind enough to admit that you were wrong? Tell a lie once and of course all your so called truths become questionable.

[Robin Hood]

I will answer your last question ......

Londonrake:

BTW. I am still looking but have yet to find any evidence of your accusation that Israel has "Continuously threatened Iran with its nuclear weapons". Have you had better luck? Or, if not would you be kind enough to admit that you were wrong? Tell a lie once and of course all your so called truths become questionable.

I have replied! Full post on that subject on page #25.

“For anyone with more than two brain cells they would realize that ANY threat against Iran by Israel is inevitably NUCLEAR. Israel is a rogue nuclear nation, the Worlds fifth largest and the ONLY State in the region with nukes.”

“So when you think about it ........ ALL Israeli threats against Iran are inevitably a nuclear threat. Given the same situation anywhere in the ME, any conflict involving Israel will end up nuclear if they realize they are losing.”

I think that is an answer to our question?

I’m not wrong I just apply a bit of common sense and see a broader picture, yours is a very narrow perception. Who else are their 200-400 nuclear weapons intended for? GAZA?

I am using YOUR logic. Any threat against you is perceived by you to be violent and you react accordingly, because the person you regard as having threatened you is reasonably fit, can look after himself ..... and has friends! You didn’t require proof absolute of an actual threat of violence to come to your misguided decision and go running off claiming to be a victim of violent threats .... what you perceived was enough for you. So it is with Israel! ANY threat against Iran ultimately has to be nuclear!

I note that not one of the questions I asked you in that post, have you replied to. Just more questions and demands from you.

[boomerang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9PVkdwjrg

[Robin Hood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9PVkdwjrg

Thanks .... an interesting video. All true .... but it is difficult to convince some people!

It is an impressive country and the history is everywhere. A drive off the main roads for a few hours is an education. The Iranians are also a very cultured, well educated and polite people but like the people of any country, outside the main cities there is poverty and in general the people would like to see some changes. They also have free education and health care.

[Londonrake]

I will answer your last question ......

Londonrake:

BTW. I am still looking but have yet to find any evidence of your accusation that Israel has "Continuously threatened Iran with its nuclear weapons". Have you had better luck? Or, if not would you be kind enough to admit that you were wrong? Tell a lie once and of course all your so called truths become questionable.

I have replied! Full post on that subject on page #25.

No - you haven't. You've been unable to come up with anything at all that supports your earlier quite clear accusation, other than personal opinion. Because of course it simply isn't true. There have never been any threats from Israel to use nuclear weapons against Iran. These so-called threats you insist have been "continuous". Please show us evidence - not obfuscating BS. It's a lie!

[Robin Hood]

I will answer your last question ......

Londonrake:

BTW. I am still looking but have yet to find any evidence of your accusation that Israel has "Continuously threatened Iran with its nuclear weapons". Have you had better luck? Or, if not would you be kind enough to admit that you were wrong? Tell a lie once and of course all your so called truths become questionable.

I have replied! Full post on that subject on page #25.

No - you haven't. You've been unable to come up with anything at all that supports your earlier quite clear accusation, other than personal opinion. Because of course it simply isn't true. There have never been any threats from Israel to use nuclear weapons against Iran. These so-called threats you insist have been "continuous". Please show us evidence - not obfuscating BS. It's a lie!

Grow a few more brain cells and think about it!

The accusations you made against me were just your opinion of events and you told everyone you had been threatened. As I explain, I see no difference with Iran! Have the Israeli's ever said 'WE ARE GOING TO NUKE IRAN!' then obviously not because they claim ambiguity on the nuclear question and do not admit to even having them. Therefore ANY threat from ANY nuclear country is a nuclear threat ..... it was not too long ago that Fallon Defence Minister in the UK made the same veiled threat against Russia to justify Trident. As for Trump and his numerous threats even against allies if they don't toe the US line .............