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[Pyrpolizer]

You are getting too hasty in explaining me how America's economy is made up.
Who said that America's economy is made of anything different on the first place??
The question here is why that economy is war dependent. I will explain that with links not just off my head but i need some time to collect them.
Just be patient and I am sure you will eventually understand.

Regarding your previous challenge that shutting up the Arms Industry which outputs about it 1 trillion per year (2/3rd exported) -about 6% of US's GDP you may first need to study the effect of multipliers in an economy:

https://implanhelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us ... ultipliers

As you may see typical values range from 2 to 7. It looks my estimate of 10% was way too low.

Pyro,

You can come up with any links you like, the question is, are they credible? There are hundreds of sites which will suggest one thing or another, but are they factual.

It's upto you to check the credibility of those links. I did not come up with any random link. The links that I provided containing data are the best and more reliable. For example the arms sales link is mentioned nearly everywhere, while other sites do cherry picking from that.

Making the assertion that the USA is war dependent is just hysterical. They do not want to have wars.

Wow! This makes me think you didn't even read my post, which makes me wonder what's the point trying to talk with you.
You should 've at least read my conclusion. Of course the American economy is war dependent. Because to secure control of the oil and dictate it's price you need to do wars. There's no other way. As I said in my conclusion not only the American economy is dependent on that but also the economies of nearly all western countries. It's a chain event. Without those wars you would be buying your gazoline at 10 Euros per liter, is that so hard for you to understand?? Not at the ridiculous price of o.65 Euros that now costs to the Governments that tax it up to 100%

They formed NATO, ANZUS to prevent wars from starting. This policy has proven to be immensely successful is Europe’s case as well as the Asia Pacific.

Yes this is the purpose of NATO for the major accomplices to share some f the cost. There are no real enemies actually.explain to me how Russia for example is an enemy.

They have a fairly pacifist outlook with China but they will enforce UNCLOS and Freedom of Navigation.

Pacific my ass. Look at how many American bases encircle China... they are not there to serve lemonades...

I am not going to reply to the rest - much of it is either irrelevant or can easily be explained via the control of oil sources for the purpose of dictating it's price. It's all about the PRICE of oil.

Now, the Iraq War 1 occurred when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The Americans didn’t start it. It’s like saying if the Americans had come to Cyprus aid after the Turkish occupation, that the Americans are somehow causing trouble and waging war for no apparent reason. That would not be the case. Turkey started the war by invading Cyprus as did Iraq for invading Kuwait. Sure, there were US interests in entering the war to liberate Kuwait and hence no interest in helping Cyprus but rather, they were on Turkey’s side. Well, they are not completely upstanding about things. We know that and it is the case for all countries. Then, Sept 11 occurred so there was always going to be a war over that because they got attacked on their own soil with perhaps the most successful terrorist action in history.

So they went after Afghanistan because the Taliban was harboring Al Qaeda.

I posted information that arms sales have in fact reduced by about 80% since 1960.

OK this got my attention. All you have to do is just check the data from SIRPI.
In 2002 they sold 181851 b amounting to 62% of the total of 292,621 b
Now if you go back 60 years maybe the 80% "reduction" was nothing but the value of inflation over the years.
You need to be careful in double checking your information. You mea easily be mislead.

If the Americans are so polemical, they are clearly not very good at driving their Arms sales as opposed to selling things like IPhones, where the real money is. Explain this. Consumer companies like Apple are able to increase their sales by massive amounts but Arms dealers have not been as successful.

Arms sales will continue not because of the USA. The threats today are in the Middle East against Israel, Russia against Eastern Europe and the Baltic States, North Korea, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia over Yemen, and China in the South China Sea. Anyone who let’s their guard down will pay a price.

Countries like Australia, Japan, South Korea, Canada, France, Germany, and UK are building their capabilities not because they want to start wars. It’s about protecting your economic interests, Sea lanes, Economic Zones, Resources and these countries need to patrol the globe right down to the Antarctic to even prevent illegal fishing of the Pantagonisn Tooth Fish which sells for $10,000 per fish.

If you don’t have this kind of capability, then you are surrendering control and are left to the mercy of others which will not happen since no one will be merciful or follow the rules of international agreements when money is involved.

It has nothing to do with the USA at all.

[Paphitis]

You are getting too hasty in explaining me how America's economy is made up.
Who said that America's economy is made of anything different on the first place??
The question here is why that economy is war dependent. I will explain that with links not just off my head but i need some time to collect them.
Just be patient and I am sure you will eventually understand.

Regarding your previous challenge that shutting up the Arms Industry which outputs about it 1 trillion per year (2/3rd exported) -about 6% of US's GDP you may first need to study the effect of multipliers in an economy:

https://implanhelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us ... ultipliers

As you may see typical values range from 2 to 7. It looks my estimate of 10% was way too low.

Pyro,

You can come up with any links you like, the question is, are they credible? There are hundreds of sites which will suggest one thing or another, but are they factual.

It's upto you to check the credibility of those links. I did not come up with any random link. The links that I provided containing data are the best and more reliable. For example the arms sales link is mentioned nearly everywhere, while other sites do cherry picking from that.

Making the assertion that the USA is war dependent is just hysterical. They do not want to have wars.

Wow! This makes me think you didn't even read my post, which makes me wonder what's the point trying to talk with you.
You should 've at least read my conclusion. Of course the American economy is war dependent. Because to secure control of the oil and dictate it's price you need to do wars. There's no other way. As I said in my conclusion not only the American economy is dependent on that but also the economies of nearly all western countries. It's a chain event. Without those wars you would be buying your gazoline at 10 Euros per liter, is that so hard for you to understand?? Not at the ridiculous price of o.65 Euros that now costs to the Governments that tax it up to 100%

They formed NATO, ANZUS to prevent wars from starting. This policy has proven to be immensely successful is Europe’s case as well as the Asia Pacific.

Yes this is the purpose of NATO for the major accomplices to share some f the cost. There are no real enemies actually.explain to me how Russia for example is an enemy.

They have a fairly pacifist outlook with China but they will enforce UNCLOS and Freedom of Navigation.

Pacific my ass. Look at how many American bases encircle China... they are not there to serve lemonades...

I am not going to reply to the rest - much of it is either irrelevant or can easily be explained via the control of oil sources for the purpose of dictating it's price. It's all about the PRICE of oil.

Now, the Iraq War 1 occurred when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The Americans didn’t start it. It’s like saying if the Americans had come to Cyprus aid after the Turkish occupation, that the Americans are somehow causing trouble and waging war for no apparent reason. That would not be the case. Turkey started the war by invading Cyprus as did Iraq for invading Kuwait. Sure, there were US interests in entering the war to liberate Kuwait and hence no interest in helping Cyprus but rather, they were on Turkey’s side. Well, they are not completely upstanding about things. We know that and it is the case for all countries. Then, Sept 11 occurred so there was always going to be a war over that because they got attacked on their own soil with perhaps the most successful terrorist action in history.

So they went after Afghanistan because the Taliban was harboring Al Qaeda.

I posted information that arms sales have in fact reduced by about 80% since 1960.

OK this got my attention. All you have to do is just check the data from SIRPI.
In 2002 they sold 181851 b amounting to 62% of the total of 292,621 b
Now if you go back 60 years maybe the 80% "reduction" was nothing but the value of inflation over the years.
You need to be careful in double checking your information. You mea easily be mislead.

If the Americans are so polemical, they are clearly not very good at driving their Arms sales as opposed to selling things like IPhones, where the real money is. Explain this. Consumer companies like Apple are able to increase their sales by massive amounts but Arms dealers have not been as successful.

Arms sales will continue not because of the USA. The threats today are in the Middle East against Israel, Russia against Eastern Europe and the Baltic States, North Korea, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia over Yemen, and China in the South China Sea. Anyone who let’s their guard down will pay a price.

Countries like Australia, Japan, South Korea, Canada, France, Germany, and UK are building their capabilities not because they want to start wars. It’s about protecting your economic interests, Sea lanes, Economic Zones, Resources and these countries need to patrol the globe right down to the Antarctic to even prevent illegal fishing of the Pantagonisn Tooth Fish which sells for $10,000 per fish.

If you don’t have this kind of capability, then you are surrendering control and are left to the mercy of others which will not happen since no one will be merciful or follow the rules of international agreements when money is involved.

It has nothing to do with the USA at all.

I don't think you understand Pyro.

It simply doesn't make any sense at all.

Yes, we keep hearing that the USA wants to control the Oil, It requires the Oil to drive its economy.

Well, the simple truths are this. The USA has been controlling the Oil since WW2. Some of the largest Oil Companies are American. The Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris, Omanis, and Emirates are all US allies and Western Countries are able to buy as much oil as they require and that is all they are interested in.

The amount of money the USA has spent on the last few wars since the first Iraqi War can never be recovered in 100 years even if the USA owned all the Oil Reserves lock stock and barrel.

Not from oil and not from Armament sales either.

The West has at this point a lot of Energy security. The USA even has the biggest share in the Cypriot EEZ of known Gas reserves so far.

You can say whatever you like Pyro just like the previous generation would always say that the USA is doing everything to help its armaments industry along. But it is a false dichotomy. Weapon sales have been going in the opposite direction since 1960 relative to GDP. Every country has actually reduced defence Expenditure except for countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Every action from the USA since the end of WW2 was to promote peace and stability through Treaties such as NATO and ANZUS, and not to create wars.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Every action from the USA since the end of WW2 was to promote peace and stability through Treaties such as NATO and ANZUS, and not to create wars.

NATO ceased to have a peace keeping function when the cold war ended! Yes, they prevented further conflict after WWII in Europe .... when the 'Russian/communist' threat disappeared NATO became the main creator of conflict in the world and it was all driven by US interests, economic and politica. Read the history books ..... not the Beano! NATO is now as much a proxy army as Al-Nusra and all the other terrorist mercenaries they openly supply and support.

[yialousa1971]

## @ Koala Bear.....

#Israel and from over the occupied Golan heights launched only one missile towards #Syria
And it was downed by the AD systems 30 Km south of #Damascus via: @WaelAlRussi #ww3 #breaking British and Israeli warplane activity has been confirmed however.

[Paphitis]

Oh look, is it a S200, is it a flying pig, no, it's Superman!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis, PLEASE TRY TO ACT LIKE A GROWN UP!

[yialousa1971]

Paphitis, PLEASE TRY TO ACT LIKE A GROWN UP!

Twitter is a good source of info.

CWWStaff
- @usafshortwave
6m6 minutes ago

Member of the National Security Committee of #Iran: #Israel committed strategic mistakes that will be paid for dearly.

CWWStaff
- @usafshortwave
8m8 minutes ago

Member of the National Security Committee of #Iran: Iranian revenge is coming

https://mobile.twitter.com/usafshortwav ... 5727414279

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, PLEASE TRY TO ACT LIKE A GROWN UP!

Twitter is a good source of info.

CWWStaff
- @usafshortwave
6m6 minutes ago

Member of the National Security Committee of #Iran: #Israel committed strategic mistakes that will be paid for dearly.

CWWStaff
- @usafshortwave
8m8 minutes ago

Member of the National Security Committee of #Iran: Iranian revenge is coming

https://mobile.twitter.com/usafshortwav ... 5727414279

That guy only has 1905 followers.

I got more than that!

[Paphitis]

Israel hits 50 Iranian targets in Syria



https://www.businessinsider.com.au/isra ... ?r=US&IR=T

[Paphitis]

And the war has started!

The Israeli military on Thursday said it attacked nearly all of Iran's military installations in neighboring Syria in response to an Iranian rocket barrage on Israeli positions in the occupied Golan Heights, in the most serious military confrontation between the two bitter enemies to date.

Israel said the targets of the strikes, its largest in Syria since the 1973 war, included weapons storage, logistics sites and intelligence centers used by elite Iranian forces in Syria. It also said it destroyed several Syrian air-defense systems after coming under heavy fire and that none of its warplanes were hit.

Iranian media described the attacks as "unprecedented," but there was no official Iranian comment on Israel's claims.

Israel has acknowledged carrying out over 100 airstrikes in neighboring Syria since the civil war erupted in 2011, most believed to be aimed at suspected Iranian weapons shipments bound for the Hezbollah militant group.

But in the past few weeks, Israel has shifted to a more direct and public confrontation with Iran, striking at Iranian bases, weapons depots and rocket launchers across Syria, and killing Iranian troops. Israel accuses Tehran of seeking to establish a foothold on its doorstep. Iran has vowed to retaliate.

Reflecting the scope of the overnight attacks, Russia's military said 28 Israeli jets were involved, striking at several Iranian and government sites in Syria with 70 missiles. It said half of the missiles were shot down.

Speaking at the Herzliya Conference, an annual security gathering north of Tel Aviv, Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Israel would response fiercely to any further Iranian actions.

"We will not let Iran turn Syria into a forward base against Israel," he said. "We, of course, struck almost all the Iranian infrastructure in Syria, and they need to remember this arrogance of theirs. If we get rain, they'll get a flood. I hope that we ended this chapter and that everyone understood."

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which closely monitors the civil war through sources inside Syria, said the overnight Israeli attacks struck several military posts for Syrian troops and Iranian-backed militias near the capital, Damascus, in central Syria and in southern Syria. The Observatory said the attacks killed 23 fighters, including five Syrian soldiers. It said it was not immediately clear if Iranians were among those killed.

The Syrian military said the Israeli strikes killed three people and wounded two, without saying if any Iranians or Iran-backed militiamen were among them. It said the strikes destroyed a radar station and an ammunition warehouse, and damaged a number of air defense units. The military said air defense systems intercepted "the large part" of the incoming Israeli strikes.

An Iranian state television presenter announced the Israeli strikes, sourcing the information to Syria's state-run SANA news agency. The broadcaster described the Israeli attack as "unprecedented" since the 1967 Mideast war.

Israel captured the Golan Heights in the 1967 war, annexing it in 1981 in a move not recognized internationally. In 1974, Israel and Syria reached a cease-fire and a disengagement deal that froze the conflict lines with the plateau in Israeli hands.

Damascus shook with sounds of explosions just before dawn, and firing by Syrian air defenses over the city was heard for more than five hours. Syria's state news agency SANA said Israeli missiles hit air defense positions, radar stations and a weapons warehouse, but claimed most incoming rockets were intercepted.

Russia sent forces to Syria to back President Bashar Assad in 2015. But Israel and Russia have maintained close communications to prevent their air forces from coming into conflict. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traveled to Moscow on Wednesday to meet with President Vladimir Putin and discuss military coordination in Syria.

Israel said early Thursday that Iran's Quds Force fired 20 rockets at Israeli front-line military positions in the Golan Heights. Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, a military spokesman, said four of the rockets were intercepted, while the others fell short of their targets. The incoming attack set off air raid sirens in the Golan.

Conricus said Israel was not looking to escalate the situation but that troops will continue to be on "very high alert."

"Should there be another Iranian attack, we will be prepared for it," he said.

It is believed to be the first time in decades that such firepower from Syria has been directed at Israeli forces in the Golan Heights.

Iran's ability to hit back further could be limited. Its resources in Syria pale in comparison to the high-tech Israeli military and it could also be wary of military entanglement at a time when it is trying to salvage the international nuclear deal.

Iran has sent thousands of troops to back Assad, and Israel fears that as the fighting nears an end, Iran and tens of thousands of Shiite militiamen will turn their focus to Israel.

Earlier this week, Syrian state media said Israel struck a military outpost near Damascus. The Observatory said the missiles targeted depots and rocket launchers that likely belonged to Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard, killing at least 15 people, eight of them Iranians.

Last month, an attack on Syria's T4 air base in the central Homs province killed seven Iranian military personnel. On April 30, Israel was said to have struck government outposts in northern Syria, killing more than a dozen pro-government fighters, many of them Iranians.

Israel considers Iran to be its most bitter enemy, citing Iran's hostile rhetoric, support for anti-Israel militant groups and development of long-range missiles. President Donald Trump's withdrawal from the international nuclear agreement with Iran, with strong support from Israel, has further raised tensions.

Israel and Iran have appeared to be on a collision course for months.

In February, Israel shot down what it said was an armed Iranian drone that entered Israeli airspace. Israel responded by attacking anti-aircraft positions in Syria, and an Israeli warplane was shot down during the battle.

But Thursday was the first time Israel openly acknowledged targeting Iran.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Internationa ... a-55060007