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[miltiades]

Hey stupid, find just a single word of my support fir either Hezbollah or Assad.
If by stating that the West should have stayed out of Syria and that Assad is the only dictator that can bring peace to Syria is a sign of support, then you are far more naive than I took you for.
Unlike you my comments are not based on blind support for the west regardless, neither are they based on hatred and immaturity. Grow up and learn the difference between objective observations and blind observations such as yours. You are ready to support the west even if it fucks up things like in Syria, Iraq, Lybia.
Be objective, act as if you are an observer and not a bloody participant in West's actions. Stop this bullshit of we this and we that. YOU ARE NOT PART OF ANY DECISION MAKING.

[Paphitis]

Hey stupid, find just a single word of my support fir either Hezbollah or Assad.
If by stating that the West should have stayed out of Syria and that Assad is the only dictator that can bring peace to Syria is a sign of support, then you are far more naive than I took you for.
Unlike you my comments are not based on blind support for the west regardless, neither are they based on hatred and immaturity. Grow up and learn the difference between objective observations and blind observations such as yours. You are ready to support the west even if it fucks up things like in Syria, Iraq, Lybia.
Be objective, act as if you are an observer and not a bloody participant in West's actions. Stop this bullshit of we this and we that. YOU ARE NOT PART OF ANY DECISION MAKING.

Your support for Assad is de-facto support for Iran and Hezbollah.

The West couldn't stay out of Syria. It had recieved an open invitation from ISIl and it would have been an outrage not to go to Syria to fight them. In addition, it was the Coalition that defeated ISIL with the help of the FSA and the Kurds.

But this isn't about ISIL or the FSA. This is also a proxy war between Iran and other Gulf States.


The FSA was also in alliance with the Kurds. The FSA were also fighting Islamic State. There were more than 50 militias in Syria and probably still are right now.

[Londonrake]

You're much more into this stuff than me of course. However, whilst I can find lots of references, over quite a long period, to Israeli threats of attacking Iran's nuclear development facilities, *** I haven't come across any saying they would do so using nuclear weapons***. On the contrary, there seems to be a total blackout on the subject in Israel. Whatever the perceived reality the official policy seems to be to neither deny nor confirm possession of nuclear weapons. So, I'd be interested in a link to those threats.

I am sure you are not that naïve! If Israel attacked Iran without the use of nuclear weapons they would almost certainly lose. They would not do it without US backing and that would almost certainly bring Russia and China into the fray and they would again lose. If they were pushed to the point of backs against the wall, they would use Nukes, chemical and biological weapons ...... that's the Samson option .... We go, We take you all with us. A similar approach to Putin's ..... "What is Earth without a Mother Russia?".

So, now we have shifted from the direct accusation that Israel has continually threatened Iran with nuclear attack to what amounts to nothing more than your opinion. Does that add up to the inconceivable - you were wrong? I certainly can't find any reference to such threats and it has nothing to do with "them" filtering the internet. Russia (and whatever the bloody hell China are doing in the picture) is straw man stuff. You do love your Armageddons, don't you?

Couldn't be bothered to read all that!

Oh yes you did!

For the benefit of any interested readers let me spell it out for you though. It's a selection (by no means anywhere approaching definitive) of statements, from very senior Iranian government and military figures, threatening the destruction of the State of Israel. A difficult one to negotiate of course. Thus the "I didn't read it" blag. Iran has been making bellicose, dire threats against the population (note - not military) of Israel for decades.

You mean, Iran has been invited into Syria to support the 'ASSAD' regime and to set up a defence against the Israeli regimes aggression ..... just like the NATO regime does on Russia's borders against their 'aggression'?.

I'm glad you have gotten around to calling Assad's set up a "regime" (if you don't think it qualifies as "an authoritarian government" then I would suggest it ain't me that's being naive). Although, Israel is actually a functioning democracy. The only one around those parts, actually. Leaders come and go, sometimes in surprising and unexpected ways. As in most democracies, unlike "regimes".

However, the truth is that Iran has been invited into Syria (and has ordered it's proxy army in Lebanon to do likewise) in order to murder large numbers of the Syrian Sunni population in putting down their revolt against the 8% minority Alawite Shia regime. The one that's been ruling them with an iron fist and regularly killing them for generations of Assads. In doing so it extends its influence even further across the ME. Currently, it's setting up military bases with a view to confronting Israel (did you get that bit?) and in doing so has become an existential threat. Oh - and there's Russia again! Although, the Chinese seem to have left.

........or Syria or Lebanon or against the Palestinians etc ..... well it certainly would not please me unless they started it .... which I don't think is the case. Netanyahu cries wolf and you believe his tales of threats ...... the ONLY nuclear power in the region that spends more on offensive armaments than all the other countries in the region put together ..... and THEY are threatened?

Israel has been surrounded and attacked by countries which, after 70 years, still publicly proclaim their commitment to its destruction. It's been backs against the wall for them on more than one occasion. Netanyahu's just playing the cards he has - although, frankly - on this occasion I have a feeling it wasn't necessary.

And who exactly is a threat to who?

Exactly!

So, Iran builds military bases in Syria, directly confronting Israel. Routinely threatens them with genocide, at the highest levels. It funds an army of 65,000 in Lebanon and arms it to the teeth. It throws money at Hamas and provides weapons and other support but.......................... Israel is the threat?

Nevertheless - and just my view - Netanyahu is clearly trying to influence Trump's upcoming decision on the possible re-implementation of sanctions against Iran. Something else he campaigned on.

As I said Netanyahu is spoiling for a war with Iran but is shit scared of doing it n his own. Like all bullies he needs his big brother and all his mates to protect him!

Personal opinion again and I sincerely doubt there's any element of "shit scared" involved. But - I like the thing about his being a bully and having to have all his mates to protect him. Are they by any chance Polish/Russian/Cypriot friends?

But it would appear that all the other signatories to this agreement and most Nations, are opposed to his plan ..... except Israel of course.

Actually, I agree. Not that it will have any effect on the outcome. Trump campaigned on the Iran deal being flawed and it's difficult to see how he could weasel out of this one. We shall see though.

Please have another go at providing evidence to support your statement that Israel has been continuously threatening Iran with nuclear attack. Preferably from somebody in a senior position there. Otherwise, people will think it's a first.

BTW. I can’t believe anyone has any serious intent to actually invade Iran. In which case, the topography’s pretty irrelevant. Although, that’s not the case should it come to driving the Jews into the sea of course.

[Robin Hood]

Londonrake

So, now we have shifted from the direct accusation that Israel has continually threatened Iran with nuclear attack to what amounts to nothing more than your opinion. Does that add up to the inconceivable - you were wrong? I certainly can't find any reference to such threats and it has nothing to do with "them" filtering the internet. Russia (and whatever the bloody hell China are doing in the picture) is straw man stuff. You do love your Armageddons, don't you?

Who else other than Iran does Israel need nukes to defend them selves from .....maybe Kuwait/Jordan/Syria/Lebanon/Egypt/Cyprus/Saudi etc.? Their main enemy IS Iran and yes, like most comments they are my opinion which are better informed than some.

RH. Couldn't be bothered to read all that!

Oh yes you did!

Oh no I didn't!

For the benefit of any interested readers let me spell it out for you though. It's a selection (by no means anywhere approaching definitive) of statements, from very senior Iranian government and military figures, threatening the destruction of the State of Israel. A difficult one to negotiate of course. Thus the "I didn't read it" blag. Iran has been making bellicose, dire threats against the population (note - not military) of Israel for decades.

Once again the facts say differently. They have from Khomeini's original statement have threatened to destroy the regime in Hods (Jerusalem) like they destroyed the Shahs regime. What you quote is the same as Netanyahu does. ....but what they have always threatened is the regime , not the people i.e. the want to destroy the Zionist regime, not Jews. They have many Jews in Iran and even in the government. But of course you believe Zionists and Jews are the same thing.

You mean, Iran has been invited into Syria to support the 'ASSAD' regime and to set up a defence against the Israeli regimes aggression ..... just like the NATO regime does on Russia's borders against their 'aggression'?.

I'm glad you have gotten around to calling Assad's set up a "regime" (if you don't think it qualifies as "an authoritarian government" then I would suggest it ain't me that's being naive). Although, Israel is actually a functioning democracy. The only one around those parts, actually. Leaders come and go, sometimes in surprising and unexpected ways. As in most democracies, unlike "regimes".

Israel a democracy ..... one that practises segregation and genocide and where only some Israeli's get to vote .... a democracy ..... yeah, so was the little guy with the moustache who wrote their GAZA handbook for them. A democracy

However, the truth is that Iran has been invited into Syria (and has ordered it's proxy army in Lebanon to do likewise) in order to murder large numbers of the Syrian Sunni population in putting down their revolt against the 8% minority Alawite Shia regime. The one that's been ruling them with an iron fist and regularly killing them for generations of Assads. In doing so it extends its influence even further across the ME. Currently, it's setting up military bases with a view to confronting Israel (did you get that bit?) and in doing so has become an existential threat. Oh - and there's Russia again! Although, the Chinese seem to have left.

Please tell me where this idea that Syria murders Sunnis came from ..... isn't it the Sunnis that are the very terrorists the west supports that are doing all the head chopping and throwing people off roofs ? Boy do you have a clouded view of the real World .... I think most people would not agree with your view .... especially the Syrian people.

........or Syria or Lebanon or against the Palestinians etc ..... well it certainly would not please me unless they started it .... which I don't think is the case. Netanyahu cries wolf and you believe his tales of threats ...... the ONLY nuclear power in the region that spends more on offensive armaments than all the other countries in the region put together ..... and THEY are threatened?

Israel has been surrounded and attacked by countries which, after 70 years, still publicly proclaim their commitment to its destruction. It's been backs against the wall for them on more than one occasion. Netanyahu's just playing the cards he has - although, frankly - on this occasion I have a feeling it wasn't necessary.

When was the last time Israel was attacked by its neighbours?

And who exactly is a threat to who?

Exactly!

So, Iran builds military bases in Syria, directly confronting Israel. Routinely threatens them with genocide, at the highest levels. It funds an army of 65,000 in Lebanon and arms it to the teeth. It throws money at Hamas and provides weapons and other support but.......................... Israel is the threat?

You mean like NATO builds bases in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland? Are occupied by invited NATO troops by the thousand. Of course it helps Hezbollah .... they keep the Israelis at bay, that is their main function. Yes ..... Israel is the greatest threat in the region, without doubt

Nevertheless - and just my view - Netanyahu is clearly trying to influence Trump's upcoming decision on the possible re-implementation of sanctions against Iran. Something else he campaigned on.

I won't argue with that view!

As I said Netanyahu is spoiling for a war with Iran but is shit scared of doing it n his own. Like all bullies he needs his big brother and all his mates to protect him!

Personal opinion again and I sincerely doubt there's any element of "shit scared" involved. But - I like the thing about his being a bully and having to have all his mates to protect him. Are they by any chance Polish/Russian/Cypriot friends?

Hezbollah have held Israel to account twice and Hezbollah were formed after some terrible muders of thousands in Lebanon at the hands of the Israeli's. (You are getting rather paranoid over your safety ..... your getting as bad as Netanyahu!)

But it would appear that all the other signatories to this agreement and most Nations, are opposed to his plan ..... except Israel of course.

Actually, I agree. Not that it will have any effect on the outcome. Trump campaigned on the Iran deal being flawed and it's difficult to see how he could weasel out of this one. We shall see though.

Please have another go at providing evidence to support your statement that Israel has been continuously threatening Iran with nuclear attack. Preferably from somebody in a senior position there. Otherwise, people will think it's a first.

I have expressed my opinion and don't apologise for having an opinion. At least I know something about the subject but there would seem to be no other country in the region that would be a suitable target and Iran's natural wealth is a tempting prize for both Israel and the US

BTW. I can’t believe anyone has any serious intent to actually invade Iran. In which case, the topography’s pretty irrelevant. Although, that’s not the case should it come to driving the Jews into the sea of course.[/quote]

Why not, how else would the Israeli's and the US strip them of the wealth ..... Proxies? Who, exactly?

You post far too much complicated and convoluted sarcasm and innuendo, it detracts from the message .... that is if you actually have one?

[Robin Hood]

Back to the Iranian 'nuclear threat' ...... basically there isn't one and there never has been one!

I think this guy should know something about the subject, he has been on it for decades ..... and he repeats what I have said on here about the stupid hysteria and propaganda surrounding Iran's attitude to nuclear and chemical weapons. They don't want them, history proves that ..... and note: that is because of their religious teachings. Islam is actually assisting the cause of peace in this instance ..... maybe WE should start trying to understand the message and stop threatening to attack the messenger?

Is Iran Really a Nuclear Threat?

Investigative journalist Gareth Porter dispels some of the myths surrounding Iran's nuclear programme.

By Mersiha Gadzo

May 01, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - "Iran is moving 'very quickly' towards production of a nuclear bomb and could have a weapon within two years," the United Press International reported.

The quote was published in a 1984 article headlined "'Ayatollah' bomb in production for Iran" but it might as well have been published today.

For more than three decades Western politicians and the press have been claiming that Iran is a nuclear threat.
Israeli leaders Benjamin Netanyahu and Shimon Peres echoed this claim numerous times in the 1990s, warning that Iran would build an atomic bomb by the next decade.

In the fall of 2012, Netanyahu declared at the United Nations General Assembly meeting - with his infamous bomb cartoon - that Iran would be able to build a nuclear weapon by June 2013.

The following October, former US President Barack Obama followed with a new deadline - that Iran is a year away from making a nuclear bomb.

Most recently, the press reported earlier this month that Yossi Cohen, head of Israel's Mossad intelligence agency, stated he is "100 percent certain" that Iran is seeking to build a nuclear weapon.

And yet, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has released eight statements over the years confirming that Tehran has been meeting its nuclear commitments fully.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49338.htm

[Paphitis]

Irrelevant!

Iran has made threats against Israel and has moved its proxy into Syria and therefore, Israel has every right to defend itself.

And that could mean direct war with Iran and if there is a developing Nuclear capability, then Israel will strike preemptively.

There will be no wait for any UN deliberation or investigation or for any weapon inspectors to investigate.

You can jump up and down all you like, but Hezbollah is a huge provocation which will never go unanswered by Israel.

Iran wanted this fight and is just reaping what it sows. So no complaining ok!

[Robin Hood]

Irrelevant!

Iran has made threats against Israel and has moved its proxy into Syria and therefore, Israel has every right to defend itself.

And that could mean direct war with Iran and if there is a developing Nuclear capability, then Israel will strike preemptively.

There will be no wait for any UN deliberation or investigation or for any weapon inspectors to investigate.

You can jump up and down all you like, but Hezbollah is a huge provocation which will never go unanswered by Israel.

Iran wanted this fight and is just reaping what it sows. So no complaining ok!

There are none so blind as those that cannot see!

Lets face it you are a Western cheer leader .......in reality Israel and the US are recognised as the real threats to World peace ..... and your comments demonstrate why!

[Paphitis]

Israel is the only beacon of light in the entire area, aside from Cyprus that is. Both Western countries.

[Robin Hood]

Israel is the only beacon of light in the entire area, aside from Cyprus that is. Both Western countries.

really Israel is a rogue nuclear, biological and chemical weaponised state; they practice apartheid; they have 'Israeli's' who cannot vote; they attacked Syria over a thousand times in the last few years; they have continually stolen land belonging to others; they have illegally annexed part of Syria; they blockade Gaza causing untold death through malnutrition and illness; they control electricity and water to Gaza on a strictly limited basis; they hold 7000 Palestinians in detention some as young as 13 ......... and on top of that run the biggest f*****g concentration camp in Gaza the World has ever seen....... the list of their abuses of human rights and of war crimes is extensive.

A beacon of light ..... you have got to be kidding!

[Londonrake]

RH

You're right.These posts are becoming far too convoluted. I'm sure it's doing anybody who has the stamina to follow them's heads in.

Despite the - bludgeon, bludgeon, bludgeon, ( ) it's really dead simple.

You said " .........they ignore Israel's continuous threats to use their own nuclear weapons on Iran......." . That's a completely unambiguous statement. Anybody got a problem with that view?

I asked - where's the proof? Or, as you have repeated ad-infinitum on the Skripal thread, the evidence. (hypocrisy?)

The answer of course is that there is none. The statement is a total fabrication. No such threats have ever been issued.

Moving on

You're blagging about all those - again unambiguous - genocidal threats by high ranking Iranian officials is just that. There is no answer to it, so, it's ignored. They've been shouting loudly and publicly about obliterating the State of Israel for decades. Please spare me all the bullshite about "It's not the Jews. It's the Zionists". In Sherwood forest there are 6.5 million Zionists in Israel. A (nother) final solution.

Iran has paraded ballistic missiles capable of reaching Tel Aviv through the streets of Tehran with "Death to Israel!" written on them. Their President has appeared on platforms with "Death to Israel" banners around him.

Please provide evidence of Israel continuously threatening Iran with nuclear weapons as you stated or - you need to sit down for this - admit for the first time in 8 years that - actually - you were wrong. People, of whatever opinion, can perhaps see what I am talking about here regarding you. You are never wrong about anything. My advice, from very long experience, is that folk shouldn't hold their breathe waiting for that one.

Bludgeon, bludgeon, bludgeon.

Ohh, I have no fears for my safety. It's all bluster but - just in case (you have form for winding others up) trust me - you are locked and loaded. Although, according to your mythology, I am apparently supposed to appear at your house, with a couple of other members of the fan club, in order to beat you and Mrs RH up, closely followed by wrecking the place. Just another of your many Jack and the beanstalk, playground fantasies.