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[Paphitis]

The EU is a business partner/common market.

Cyprus and Israel are pretty much co-dependant! One needs the other and both are practically joined at the hip now.

For Israel, Cyprus is a friendly and stable country in the region. For Cyprus, Israel represents security from Turkey and economic resurrection.

Israel is without any question the RoC's most important ally and partner.

[Oceanside50]

Robin Hood wrote:

There is a uncanny similarity between what happened in Palestine from 1948 and what happened here in 1974,

There aren't any significant similarities between the Arab/Israeli conflict and the war in 1974 in Cyprus

The Tc never had a UN mandate to form their own state. In contrast the Israelis and Palestinians did. Much of the land that you see as being part of Israel was an expansion from land bought by Jews,starting from the early 1800"s, from the Ottoman Turks and absentee Arab land owners. Greek Cypriot land was taken in an illegal invasion by Turkey.

[supporttheunderdog]

The EU is a business partner/common market.

Cyprus and Israel are pretty much...... practically joined at the hip

Is that some form of Enosis? If so we may well have some forumers wetting or cracking their pants ( or panties) that it is not with Greece.

Personally while I think the relationship with Isreal is important, and should be cherished by both countries, I would say that at least as far as the Israelis are concerned it is still very much a business relationship.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Personally while I think the relationship with Isreal is important, and should be cherished by both countries, I would say that at least as far as the Israelis are concerned it is still very much a business relationship.

Very much agree. A business relationship initiated for us by Greece.

The romance between Netanyahu and Papandreou began in February of 2010, when the two met coincidentally at the “Pushkin” restaurant in Moscow. Netanyahu took advantage of their chance encounter to speak with the Greek prime minister about Turkish extremism against Israel and the two quickly became friends.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... g-1.370794

And then:

September 15, 2011
Greece’s Papandreou to discuss oil drilling with Netanyahu
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou was scheduled to consult with his Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu regarding drilling for natural gas near Cyprus.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/art ... u_20110915

[Paphitis]

Sorry "g"IG, don't take it personally because I just can't stand people like you talking absolute shit.

Israel and Cyprus entered into bilateral agreements delineating their mutual EEZ boundary many years before Greece entered in the fray and these bilateral agreements go way beyond simple business. It is a partnership, the likes of which is unprecedented in RoC history.

Greece I may add is only involved because of the future pipeline expansion but nothing more. Greece is still to delineate its EEZ which means it is the RoC and Israel setting the pace and Greece should be thanking the RoC and Israel for actually deflecting attention from their own inaction, inability, and lack of political will with respect to its EEZ!

[Robin Hood]

Oceanside50

There aren't any significant similarities between the Arab/Israeli conflict and the war in 1974 in Cyprus

I was thinking more on the lines of events on the ground rather than legality?

LIKE .......A minority backed by vastly superior military, drives incumbent majority out of ancestral lands they have lived on for generations, , even though many had legal title, murdering many, destroying and raping as they went. They displace thousands (in the case of Palestine 700,000) as a mass of refugees in their own land with no right of return. The occupier imports settlers, changes the names of all the towns and villages, builds on the occupied areas and maintains a large military presence. The occupier unilaterally declares a ‘Republic’ (In the case of Israel a ‘State’) and is supported with aid from an external power (in Israel’s case $8.2m a day from the US) as well as military support.

Then of course the similarity ceases as the GC’s plight with regard to their losses ceased.

Had the same happened in Cyprus as it did in Palestine, the GC majority would now be dispersed and those that remained in Cyprus confined to an area the size of Limassol, ringed by a concrete wall, water/electricity/food/medical aid etc. all under the total control of the illegal occupier, blockaded by land/sea/air and subject to military attack when they resort to violent retaliation in protest!.

So, I cannot agree with you that there is no similarity................. and it is why I asked ‘Supportthe underdog’ if his handle reflected his true sentiments?

The TC never had a UN mandate to form their own state. In contrast the Israelis and Palestinians did. Much of the land that you see as being part of Israel was an expansion from land bought by Jews, starting from the early 1800"s, from the Ottoman Turks and absentee Arab land owners. Greek Cypriot land was taken in an illegal invasion by Turkey.

I think you have a misconception of the events in Palestine .........

Excerpts from ‘The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict’ Published by ‘Jews For Justice in the Middle East’. (Note this is a Jewish publication)

http://bearcanada.com/fae/israel/conflictorigin01.html

Quotes from:

"Arab rejection (of the UN Partition Resolution) ...was based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body - a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter."

Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."

"While the Yishuv’s leadership (the body of Jewish residents in Palestine, before the establishment of the State) formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel’s society (Zionists)- including...Ben-Gurion – (Zionist and Jewish Atheist) were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state’s borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians."

Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in "Tikkun", March/April 1998.

"In 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6 percent of the land of Palestine...After 1940, when the mandatory authority restricted Jewish land ownership to specific zones inside Palestine, there continued to be illegal buying (and selling) within the 65 percent of the total area restricted to Arabs.

Thus when the partition plan was announced in 1947 it included land held illegally by Jews, which was incorporated as a fait accompli inside the borders of the Jewish state. And after Israel announced its statehood, an impressive series of laws legally assimilated huge tracts of Arab land (whose proprietors had become refugees, and were pronounced ‘absentee landlords’ in order to expropriate their lands and prevent their return under any circumstances). ( Cyprus 1974? )

Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

Apart from the fact that Israel continually threatens Iran and that many see Israel as a friend/business partner of Cyprus, how would you react if, like the US has been threatening Syria, the Israeli’s decided they needed to protect their National Security, took up that threat and leased off a few nuclear missiles at Iran? Would Israel still be regarded as a worthy friend and/or business partner of Cyprus ..... a country you could trust and rely upon?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Some of us followed the news, without hate in our hearts, as Greece facilitated Cyprus - Israel bilateral relations ...

The romance between Netanyahu and Papandreou began in February of 2010,

In December 2010, the Agreement on the Delimitation of the EEZ between Cyprus and Israel was signed.

[Paphitis]

Some of us followed the news, without hate in our hearts, as Greece facilitated Cyprus - Israel bilateral relations ...

The romance between Netanyahu and Papandreou began in February of 2010,

In December 2010, the Agreement on the Delimitation of the EEZ between Cyprus and Israel was signed.

No hatred!

Just pure facts because this "Romance" between Greece and Israel did not facilitate anything other than this pathetic blog entry!

Greece still refuses to facilitate anything that will delineate its EEZ with the RoC and that is saying something!

[Oceanside50]

Oceanside50

There aren't any significant similarities between the Arab/Israeli conflict and the war in 1974 in Cyprus

I was thinking more on the lines of events on the ground rather than legality?

LIKE .......A minority backed by vastly superior military, drives incumbent majority out of ancestral lands they have lived on for generations, , even though many had legal title, murdering many, destroying and raping as they went. They displace thousands (in the case of Palestine 700,000) as a mass of refugees in their own land with no right of return. The occupier imports settlers, changes the names of all the towns and villages, builds on the occupied areas and maintains a large military presence. The occupier unilaterally declares a ‘Republic’ (In the case of Israel a ‘State’) and is supported with aid from an external power (in Israel’s case $8.2m a day from the US) as well as military support.

Then of course the similarity ceases as the GC’s plight with regard to their losses ceased.

Had the same happened in Cyprus as it did in Palestine, the GC majority would now be dispersed and those that remained in Cyprus confined to an area the size of Limassol, ringed by a concrete wall, water/electricity/food/medical aid etc. all under the total control of the illegal occupier, blockaded by land/sea/air and

subject to military attack when they resort to violent retaliation in protest!.

So, I cannot agree with you that there is no similarity................. and it is why I asked ‘Supportthe underdog’ if his handle reflected his true sentiments?

The TC never had a UN mandate to form their own state. In contrast the Israelis and Palestinians did. Much of the land that you see as being part of Israel was an expansion from land bought by Jews, starting from the early 1800"s, from the Ottoman Turks and absentee Arab land owners. Greek Cypriot land was taken in an illegal invasion by Turkey.

I think you have a misconception of the events in Palestine .........
Excerpts from ‘The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict’ Published by ‘Jews For Justice in the Middle East’. (Note this is a Jewish publication)

http://bearcanada.com/fae/israel/conflictorigin01.html
Quotes from:

"Arab rejection (of the UN Partition Resolution) ...was based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body - a settlement which no self-respecting people would
accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to
decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter."
Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."

"While the Yishuv’s leadership (the body of Jewish residents in Palestine, before the establishment of the State) formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel’s society (Zionists)- including...Ben-Gurion – (Zionist and Jewish Atheist) were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state’s borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians."
Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in "Tikkun", March/April 1998.

"In 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6 percent of the land of Palestine...After 1940, when the mandatory authority restricted Jewish land ownership to specific zones inside Palestine, there continued to be illegal buying (and selling) within the 65 percent of the total area restricted to Arabs.
Thus when the partition plan was announced in 1947 it included land held illegally by Jews, which was incorporated as a fait accompli inside the borders of the Jewish state. And after Israel announced its statehood, an impressive series of laws legally assimilated huge tracts of Arab land (whose proprietors had become refugees, and were pronounced ‘absentee landlords’ in order to expropriate their lands and prevent their return under any circumstances). ( Cyprus 1974? )

Edward Said, "The Question of Palestine."

Apart from the fact that Israel continually threatens Iran and that many see Israel as a friend/business partner of Cyprus, how would you react if, like the US has been threatening Syria, the Israeli’s decided they needed to protect their National Security, took up that threat and leased off a few nuclear missiles at Iran? Would Israel still be regarded as a worthy friend and/or business partner of Cyprus ..... a country you could trust and rely upon?

LIKE .......A minority backed by vastly superior military, drives incumbent majority out of ancestral lands they have lived on for generations, , even though many had legal title, murdering many, destroying and raping as they went. They displace thousands (in the case of Palestine 700,000) as a mass of refugees in their own land with no right of return. The occupier imports settlers, changes the names of all the towns and villages, builds on the occupied areas and maintains a large military presence. The occupier unilaterally declares a ‘Republic’ (In the case of Israel a ‘State’) and is supported with aid from an external power (in Israel’s case $8.2m a day from the US) as well as military support.

Unfortunately most of your above statement could be applied to many different situations. Parallels could be drawn between the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the plight of the Native Americans, it surely doesnt make these two situations similar.
The GC's have a huge advantages over Palestinians. Greek Cypriots, the 82 percent majority in the island republic that won its independence from Britain in 1960, enjoyed sovereignty and national legitimacy when the island was invaded by Turkey. Palestine had not emerged from British occupation when the Zionists/Israelis established their state on 78 per cent of the country's land and expelled 85 per cent of native Palestinians.
Turkey's actions constituted a an act of aggression against a member state of the UN and a major violation of international law. Israel claims there never was aPalestinian state and portrays its seizure of Palestinian territory as self-defense. The 200,000 Greek Cypriots who became refugees were still living in their own country under their own government. Palestinians were dispersed and divided between Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria(many Palestinian elites began to flee the area throughout the years leading up to 1947, in essence leaving the Palestinians leaderless). Greek Cypriots live under a democratic system of governance and have a strong say in their fate. In 2004 they voted against a UN plan that was supposed to reunite the island but, in fact, confirmed the ROC's de jure legitimacy over the whole island. Palestinians have never enjoyed even a moment of national sovereignty and independence and never had a measure of self-rule until the quasi-governmental Palestinian Authority was created in 1996.

Now for more lessons. Firstly, since the Cyprus Invasion of 74, Greek Cypriots have generally remained united in the face of Turkish occupation aninternationalpressure to capitulate to Turkey's demands. While Greek Cypriots have had serious partisan disagreements over the handling of the
"Cyprus problem," they have resolved their differences democratically through elections. The Palestinians on the other hand are divided through different factions and this stems mostly from competing tribes and clans.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You have to be pretty dim to not realise why Cyprus and Greece don't need to delineate an EEZ.