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[joe]

Let me give you guys a good dose of reality because you need it.

Said the crazy, bitz.

Okay, now that is some funny shit.

[Piratis]

Paphitis you keep contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next. In one sentence you say that we are "entitled to do as we wish with our island" and that this "has never been disputed by neither the UK, US or NATO" and then you go on to say that this will happen "as long as it suits their interests". That is an oxymoron and it reminds me of the Ford joke "You can have your car any color you like as long as it is black", or in our case "You are entitled to do as you wish as long as it is what it suits me".

So which one is it?

I will tell you how it is: We are entitled to do as wish with our own island but this is something that was never respected by the British and their buddies and hence the troubles they caused to our island in their effort to force on us what suited them.

Doing what we want with our own island is not called a "divine right", it is called a democratic right. And yes, if the vast majority of Australians and the vast majority of British wanted to unite their countries that would certainly be their right.

And you still didn't tell me what changed in 1964. The British lost control of the Suez in the 50s, and they didn't get it back since then. Therefore Cyprus was not any less strategic to them in 64 than it was a few years earlier.

The vast majority of Cypriots did want enosis in the 50s and that was very obvious which is why the British refused to hold a referendum (this is unlike what they did in Gibraltar where they knew that the result of the referendum would suit them.

Regarding WWII the British and Americans did what they did to protect themselves and serve their own interests. Fighting in WWII was a combined effort that many people gave their lives including Greeks and Greek Cypriots.

[Paphitis]

It is not contradictory at all Piratis because the fact of the matter is that these "imperialists" DO recognise your right to self determination and they had very clear policies to that end.

So what changed between 1955 and 1964? The entire Balance of Power changed for a start and Cyprus wasn't nearly as strategically important as it was in 1955, because new defence treaties were signed (ANZUS) which changed the focus in the Asia Pacific with regards to Defence and Security of those outposts becoming the responsibility of the US. We are talking about nations that would have had no hope in hell defending themselves against the Soviet Union but instead rely on a nuclear deterrent!

I also pointed you to some documents and literature (and there are many) referring to Britain's then Foreign Affairs Minister that explicitly stated that if Cyprus had asked for independence in 1964 then it would be granted, and in fact, Britain then was even debating relinquishing control of the SBAs to the RoC but was prevented from doing so by NATO and the US!

Many things changed Piratis. You are always telling us that the Balance is always fluid and changes over time and that is certainly the case. These things are always fluid and from 1955 to 1964, it had changed drastically.

The US, as you know has a very clear policy of supporting the self determination of small nations around the world under the Kennedy administration. So in 1964 it would have all happened, the same year independence was granted to Malta!

In fact you tell me which colony in the world wasn't granted self determination and why would that be any different for Cyprus?

I know what your answer will be! Cyprus is strategically important right? So was Malta, and in this day and age you overstate this importance because the "imperialists" have all they need and there is a little tiny outcrop known as Diego Garcia even right in the heart of things and that is sovereign!

all this stuff is very serious Piratis no matter how you try to downplay it by blaming others alone. sure they are to blame for many things, that is never to be denied, but that is not the whole story. We played a very dangerous game during the cold war, then Greece betrayed Cyprus agreeing to carve our island up with Turkey.

[kimon07]

the so called freedom fighters EOKA terrorists cowardly murdered British troops by shooting them in the back,.,,,,

Your imperial army must had been totally incompetent not to be able to subdue 200 "cowardly terrorists" (such as Afxendiou, Matsis, Markos Drakos, Karaolis, Lenas, TASSOS PAPADOPOULOS, POLYKARPOS YORGATGIS etc). Eh??

[Paphitis]

Russian expat invasion of Cyprus also has sinister overtones:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/26/cyprus-russian-invasion

Cyprus's foreign minister, meanwhile, denies that the country has become, in effect, an offshore colony of Russia. Erato Kozakou-Marcoullis said that Cyprus had had a close strategic partnership with Moscow dating back to Soviet times, based on a shared Orthodox faith and a cold war history of non-alignment under Archbishop Makarios, who led Cyprus in the 1970s.

So Non alignment in fact means a strategic alliance with Soviet Russia, which in fact was an atheist state which sought to control and supress the Orthodox Church.

Hmmmm!

No wonder those damned Yankees were p*ssed off with Big Mak.

Actually stud is quite right and the above article raises some excellent points.

It was a mistake to allow this ship to leave port with its illegal cargo, which did dock in Syria in the end. Cyprus will need to answer to its EU partners which have arms embargoes on the despotic regime.

Now I can understand that the RoC might have to answer to the Russians, but I am sure they would get over it quickly. I also understand it that the RoC might not have the technical means of disposal. But they could ask for help from a number of EU countries as well as others, to provide this technical support in munitions disposal.

The greater moral issue is that the Syrian regime received its deadly goods which could be used against its own citizens, including women and children. This is something that any moral, reasonable and rational individual would condemn.

That was poor form from Christofias. This should not have occured.

I trust that the RoC will not allow such a thing to happen again. I put it down to a once off error in judgement! An innocent error.

That is the only way such a thing can be explained!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Paphitis you keep contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next.

That's because he's like the Lyrebird of his native Continent - he repeats any noise he hears without cognition.

- One thing these neo anti-Greeks have in common is that they change with the tide. They lend credibility to the theory that some GCs did convert to Islam to avoid taxes. They sensed Greece's recent problems and suddenly they side with the Turkish/British opportunists.

Supporting the RoC and its chosen alliances doesn't seem to suit them now.

[Paphitis]

On the contrary my Graecus Taipanus muppet. I support the RoC's EU allies except for the one the makes deals with Turkey to destroy its "sibling", the RoC.

Once again you resort to character assassination and offer little to embellish the spirit of proper descent debate.

And once again, a Greek throwing slurs about tax dodging to the TCs. I don't know what to say about this stupidity!

[GreekIslandGirl]

... I do not have a problem with Russians living in England or Cyprus ...

Now you're contradicting yourself or why topic this article and make the comments in your opening post?

The SBA are not a part of the EU (but the residents have the benefit of EU laws and protections).

If that were so, they are still controlled by the UK, which is in the EU. So if they had any complaints that the Roc-EU was not protecting theirs and the rest of the EU's interests, they had only to authorize these EU-benefiting members, who reside in the Bases, to do what the UK considered was the right thing.

- Otherwise this is further proof that the SBAs, exclusively, serve only for the benefit of a UK which so far does nothing for the EU and only participates for what it can get out of the EU! Colonialism? Sure sounds like it.

[Paphitis]

I don't see what the British SBAs have to do with the illegal shipment of arms to Syria.

If the RoC wanted assistance from Britain with regards to technical support for munitions disposal, then all it need to do is ask. So how about an ounce of common sense?

But the bottom line is it was a mistake to let this ship leave port. Any reasonable and rational humanitarian will accept this!

[boomerang]

The vast majority of Cypriots did want enosis in the 50s

so obviously the next best move was a deal with turkey to split the island...wow how did i fail to see this?...

you talk about the 50's jump to 74...can you still claim the same view?..why wasn't the majority view respected?...you talk of democrasy only when it suits you...period...

can you claim the same view today?...do the vast majority yearn for enosis today?...and why not?...we are not wanted no more?...have we fallen from grace perhaps?...and why are we still flying their flag after so mush pain to this very day?...

"doksa to theo" for the greek madrasa hey piratis...