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[yialousa1971]

You can send all the scum back to hell with this

That looks like it's got a range of 100m and fires pistol bullets!

Kids can use that in play wars...

You haven't done your military service to see what real guns look like have you Yialoser?

When hundreds of Turks are coming towards you it will do the job.

[Get Real!]

You can send all the scum back to hell with this

That looks like it's got a range of 100m and fires pistol bullets!

Kids can use that in play wars...

You haven't done your military service to see what real guns look like have you Yialoser?

When hundreds of Turks are coming towards you it will do the job.

You gotta be joking, they're gonna kill you from a kilometer away!

Stick to our standard issue... #6 from here if you want a fighting chance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZwuBddAc4

[Paphitis]

The Russians are angels compared to the British. The British stole from us 250 km2 of our island, they stole antiquities, they murdered many Cypriot freedom fighters and they support the Turks in their crimes against Cyprus. The Russians have done nothing wrong to us.

But none are as bad as Greece has been for Cyprus! Compared to Greece, the Brits are angels...

[Sotos]

The Russians are angels compared to the British. The British stole from us 250 km2 of our island, they stole antiquities, they murdered many Cypriot freedom fighters and they support the Turks in their crimes against Cyprus. The Russians have done nothing wrong to us.

But none are as bad as Greece has been for Cyprus! Compared to Greece, the Brits are angels...

Only a Brit could believe that

[Paphitis]

The Russians are angels compared to the British. The British stole from us 250 km2 of our island, they stole antiquities, they murdered many Cypriot freedom fighters and they support the Turks in their crimes against Cyprus. The Russians have done nothing wrong to us.

But none are as bad as Greece has been for Cyprus! Compared to Greece, the Brits are angels...

Only a Brit could believe that

Let me tell you something that should be very logical Sotos, even to those that refuse to use their brains and pretend to be stupid!

I and many others would sooner prefer another 20 years of British colonial rule rather than the present situation that has been the norm for 37-52 years if that means real independance for Cyprus.

Even if you could have asked all the EOKA patriots that lost their lives for Cyprus, they would think the same with the power of hindsight on their side, there is no doubt in my mind. And I am telling you this as someone who lost family to the Queen's (bitches) noose. And there is no doubt in my mind that by 1964, Cyprus would be granted independance and be allowed to draft its own constitution.

The only deluded person who would not change his fascist way would be Grivas himself.

So clearly, the Brits were never as bad as Greece with its Double Union plans and coup leading to something even worse, a divided island and 200,000 refugees. And it pains me to say this, because sometimes I just want to lash out at the Brits as well, and sometimes I do because I will never forgive them for giving an innocent boy the noose!

Now, they don't have this power of hindsight but we do, and so there is no excuse for us being stupid about things just because you are after a scapegoat for your mummy's deplorable actions which sold Cyprus out to the Turkish wolves!

[Piratis]

Paphits, lets say there were no British and no Turks. Just Cyprus and Greeks.

The Cypriots would choose what to do with their own island. They could choose to unite with the rest of Greece or not. In either way not a single nose would brake. So in what way are the Greeks the bad guys? The harm was caused by those Imperialists who refused to respect the will of the Cypriot people.

The British kept Cyprus for many decades against the will of Cypriots and they kept us as their subjects. The same with the Turks before them. Not as equal citizens of a state we choose to belong (as it would be the case with Greece), but as subjects of some foreign rule imposed on us by force. Can you understand the difference?

You still didn't say what was different between 1955 and 1964? Did The interests of the British change? Not at all. We had been waiting and waiting for our freedom for decades and there was absolutely nothing to indicate that waiting longer would change anything. On the contrary I would argue that we were too late to start our struggle since if we had started earlier Turkey might not have been able to get involved.

[Piratis]

supporttheunderdog, Britain was one of the biggest imperial powers and the harm that the British have done to the world (and they continue doing as the lapdogs of the Americans) can not be equated with anything that the Russians let alone Assad has ever done.

It is one thing to contemn certain actions of other countries and quite another to talk as if your own country is any better. If that is indeed what you believe then you are a victim of the bullshit that your own media is feeding you.

When Turkey your friend bombs the hell out of Kurds burning down whole villages that is just Turkey fighting "terrorists". When Turkey invades Cyprus, kills 1000s and ethnically cleanses 100s of thousands, thats just an issue that should be solved with negotiations between the "communities". But when somebody you don't like does even a tenth of what Turkey is doing, you suddenly scream and shout about it and you remember about innocent victims.

How many weapons have the Americans supplied to the Turks? The weapons that killed 1000s of Cypriots were made in USA and the supply of weapons to the Turks continues, helping them to maintain their illegal occupation. And then you come here to lecture us because we merely let a ship which was not even ours to continue its route?

[Paphitis]

Very simplistic view to say the least Piratis.

Yes, we Cypriots are entitled to do as we wish with our island, and that has never been disputed by neither the UK, US or NATO. That is something they can't dispute. In fact they recognise this and endorsed it throughout. There is a very big BUT in all of that! They will endorse it and give you everything you require as long as it suits their interests and in the 1950s it did not suit their interests to grant ENOSIS or independence. There were much larger forces at play, including the Suez campaign in Egypt at the time, so what was required was pragmatic realism.

Unfortunately that did not occur, so the Brits were quite happy to let us go off on our tangents and then shove the Zurich Agreement under our noses which granted them 2 SBAs. The fact of the matter is this, we could have been patient and asked for independence in 1964 and grant them some bases under lease. There would be no Zurich imposed constitution and Cyprus would not be divided today.

They were also quite happy for Greece to draft their Double Union plans, the ultimate betrayal, just to grant you your dream of ENOSIS. And since you believe that ENOSIS is your divine right then you can hardly blame the TCs for resisting this, something those "imperialists" exploited but even so, nothing comes close to the Double Union malarkey and coup when Cyprus had it all from 1963 and onwards.

And it would be interesting to see how many people were actually in favour of ENOSIS. You claim that the majority was but a Church sponsored plebiscite of Sunday worshippers hardly counts. Even some TCs voted in favour of that, so how genuine was it? Did you ask the TCs if they wanted ENOSIS with Greece? No you didn't. you didn't have to right because they are a minority! Does Bosnia spring to mind or are you so blind?

There are consequences for any actions taken Piratis. Self Determination is a universal right for all peoples, but what was required of us was to act responsibly! The Human rights of 600,000 people were second fiddle to the "imperialistic" Balance of Power" in the region during a time of intense hostility with Egypt and the developing cold war when everyone was becoming paranoid of a Soviet nuclear attack against Europe. Sure, the "imperialists" would never admit this, but when you are talking about the lives of millions of people and nuclear annihilation, then they would do anything to serve their interests and that does not exclude the Soviet Union by any stretch of imagination, because our "ally" could have done something about it but it chose not to. Again, their interests do not include Moscow, or Leningrad being turned into glass just like it is not in the interests of the "imperialists" for London, New York, Sydney and Washington to also be turned into glass at the same time.

[Paphitis]

One more thing! The Suez canal was important just because Britain wanted to guarantee safe passage of its huge back then naval fleet to Australia and New Zealand to protect the Dominions from Soviet Imperialism in sout east Asia.

Do you honestly believe that these "imperialists" are going to let you do what you want so that the Dominions succumb to Soviet control which was a real threat back then. Both dominions were bought to their knees trying to defend your "mother" only 20 years earlier and for that we endured a relentless Japanese Assault on Australia with the bombing of Darwin, Broome, Wyndham and Curtin. These air attacks were more brutal than the London blitz, and an Invasion Force was on its way (intercepted by the Yanks in the Coral Sea) while the bulk of our troops were in Europe, including Greece. They were not "imperialists" then were they Piratis?

So who's interests will win at the end of the day!

Do you really believe that you have a right of ENOSIS?

Yes no problem, we have a right to do with our island as we wish. Self determination IS a divine right, but our timing was all wrong!

[Paphitis]

Let me give you guys a good dose of reality because you need it.

Let's say Australia's population is 70% British and 30% other and let's say Australia wants enosis with Britain.

Does this mean that Australia has a divine right to declare or seek ENOSIS with the UK?

Think about that for a few minutes!